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14. September 2009, 17:06:09 As to Healthcare.. Obama said (as far as I read) that he would work towards reducing Healthcare costs by about $2.5K. As such, making the market for healthcare more competitive, cutting down on fraud, unnecessary tests, silly cop outs (such as "you didn't tell us you had acne, your insurance is cancelled") will do that. Over here, we have plenty of price comparison sites where someone can shop for cheap insurance on cars, house, etc..... If the health insurance system in the USA was opened up in the same manner then surely it'd get to be a buyers market, where companies are fighting for peoples custom. Isn't that living upto a pre-election promise?? 14. September 2009, 18:22:34 Subject: Re: Isn't that living upto a pre-election promise??  (V): No. Obama's bait and switch has to do with the whole package he presented and not just his health care idea. Obama said (as far as I read) that he would work towards reducing Healthcare costs by about $2.5K. But he hasn't detailed how that will happen. It's just a theory now. And likely it will cost the US taxpayer tons. The government never has run a public service well. As such, making the market for healthcare more competitive, cutting down on fraud, Yeah. One has to wonder why now? Congress has allowed the fraud to go on and on and now they are going to fix it? Guess they were saving that one for a rainy day. 14. September 2009, 18:48:24 Subject: Re: Obama's bait and switch has to do with the whole package he presented and not just his health care idea. Artful Dodger: The part about your country's financial system melting down, that companies (such as car) were going to cave in, leaving many many people to go on social?? "But he hasn't detailed how that will happen. It's just a theory now." Yes he did. "And likely it will cost the US taxpayer tons. The government never has run a public service well." Probably because there is so much interference from the private sector... I hear there is 5 lobbyists on ya gov's back regarding finance. And the health care public system (by the speech of Obama) is to be paid for by the premiums.. or did you miss that sentence in listening to his speech last week?? "Yeah. One has to wonder why now? Congress has allowed the fraud to go on and on and now they are going to fix it?" Best it does get fixed now rather than left to go on. Bush wasn't brave enough to fix it, others have tried and had so much pressure put on them by elected politicians living in the back pockets of private sector business... ... I guess it's like our expense business over here. The opposition (conservatives) moaning about how bad it is, but it was their government who change the rules so the gravy train was so easy to ride. We could play the blame game as infinitum, but isn't it best to just fix the problem rather than play partisan politics which solves nothing?? 14. September 2009, 19:27:06 Subject: Re: this kind of reply gets really annoying (V): Yes he did. No he didn't Yes he did. No he didn't Yes he did. No he didn't Yes he did. No he didn't Yes he did. No he didn't Yes he did. No he didn't Yes he did. No he didn't Yes he did. No he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn'tNo he didn't Hey, here's an idea. How about you explain PRECISELY those details. Remember, I said DETAILS. Not theory. Not sound bites. No general concepts. DETAILS. 14. September 2009, 19:31:34 Subject: Re: this kind of reply gets really annoying Artful Dodger: P R E M I U M S  btw.. have you been to a panto recently??   14. September 2009, 20:46:05 Subject: Re: this kind of reply gets really annoying (V): An idea or a concept is not the same as detailing one's plan. 14. September 2009, 21:02:29 Subject: Re: this kind of reply gets really annoying Modified by Mort (14. September 2009, 21:07:52) Artful Dodger: Then I suggest you look on the web, the Whitehouse one maybe and pour over the details.  It appears that Republicans and Democrats, Doctors, Nurses, drug companies, etc have all had input. And to detail every single bit would take hours, possibly days.. and I don't think any politician has that kinda stamina regarding their voice..... But as such, which ever President gets in (left, right or independent) ... you'll never be satisfied and find fault. That's if you want to that pernickety and pedantic. As one book says.. no-one is perfect and to expect perfection is a foolish thing. Oh btw.. Obama has stated that if anyone has any good ideas, he is happy to listen.. but to just trash a good idea over political partisan rhetoric he will not accept. 14. September 2009, 23:44:48 Subject: Re: isn't it best to just fix the problem rather than play partisan politics which solves nothing?? (V): It's very hard to find bipartisan solutions when the goal of the GOP is to make Health Care "Obama's Waterloo". He is going to have to work within his own party. Unfortunately, the Dems are not all in agreement either on the public option because of misinformation put out by the insurance lobby, & people don't want to be educated. They'd rather scream at town hall meetings. 15. September 2009, 09:00:22 Subject: Re: isn't it best to just fix the problem rather than play partisan politics which solves nothing?? Ferris Bueller: I wonder how at all if JFK's idea of going to the moon would have stood a chance under the seeming current need for details? 15. September 2009, 10:44:00 Subject: Re: isn't it best to just fix the problem rather than play partisan politics which solves nothing?? (V): Interesting question. NASA funds have been cut drastically lately also. I think future plans for lunar exploration have been scrapped for time being. 15. September 2009, 13:37:29 Subject: Re: isn't it best to just fix the problem rather than play partisan politics which solves nothing?? Ferris Bueller: Not last I've seen.. just the timetable is a long one. Plus many other countries are now looking at exploration and landings on the moon. It holds the potential of being a good base for long term exploration of the solar system, plus certain valuable resources are noted as being there. I know Mars is better (as far as I've heard) in regards to H2O.. but I think it'd be wiser to test run long term living on the moon first, being closer if things go wrong. |
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