Artful Dodger: Griffin is a racist, hardly a stand up guy.. and quite frankly as some linked to the BNP have committed bombing on civilians or conspiracy to bomb. Well as I said... not all terrorists are Muslim.

(V): Racist is a cheap term these days. I've seen real racism. What's tossed about these days as racism doesn't even come close. It's just a convenient way of minimizing the opposition. Little more than a cheap shot.

Artful Dodger: You've seen 'real' racism. So have many others and do so today. Just because it ain't burning crosses and segregation don't mean it ain't 'real'. We've witnessed racism here, religionism.. we lived through via the IRA v Loyalists.

Cheap use of 'real' is a politician trick. It's old... and doesn't hack it.

Artful Dodger:

>  What's tossed about these days as racism doesn't even come close.

In our modern era we have watered racism down so much that it doesn't even exist any more.  From now on all human beings are equal and everyone has the same rights and priviledges.  We should throw a big party in the streets and celebrate the end of human inequality!     

Übergeek 바둑이: So many people throw out the "racism" charge for so many non-racist things, when I hear someone throw out that charge I don't take them seriously. Racism is a particular thing. If true racism encompasses all the things that some have imagined, we are all racists. No one is exempt. And the leaders of the pack may just be the Black leaders, according to the definition they use.

I know racism is real and exists today. But not everything can be labeled racism. It's done too easily these days and frankly those that so easily throw out that charge perpetuate the difficulties between the races. Some people want racism to exist so that they have a cause to fight against.