Bwild: well.. any active player sould be able to pass an inactive player no problem......

joshi tm: You are correct, you never do know exactly what your opponent has in their hand.

It could be a well timed bluff, and every so often, you will rightly fold to a worse hand than your own.

But again, over time, a first position raise (on a full table especially) is NOT going to be a pure bluff.

...also, good poker players have learned to always mix up their play style or strategy, so good instincts and the ability to read tells becomes very important as well (some people prefer online play just because tells dont become a factor)

Pedro Martínez:

samanta: ok, I vote zak the second best player on brainking!

Nothingness: Well, never say never.... what if your 5 3 is suited and the ace flops you the nuts flush, or even possibly the straight flush!

Universal Eyes: yeah, and if I have 3 7 off suit, and I flop 3 7 7, I win with a full house too

Point is.... If your aces raises in front of my 3 7, pre flop, I should never be around to see my boat, but with play money, its more like a low stakes limit game, where its everyone in to the river and the luckiest person wins

Nothingness: Its called play money poker....

In the long run though, if you play smart, good poker, you will eventually win more from them than they will win from you

(V): But, like I said, the amount of money in a persons stack is not the same as a poker ranking. For some it may give evidence of how good they are. for others it may simply mean that they play a lot more than anyone else.

Bwild: Well, in RL, ones stack is their stack, and it doesnt matter how large it is, it doesnt change how good they are, and it doesnt matter really, how they got it, just that they have it....

But in this world here, it does matter somewhat. It is our way of "keeping score", and keeping an accurate score is very important for most people, so in this sense I agree with you, and better to let people keep their own chips, and better for fencer to not use them for any memberships until he can make sure there is no "bad" way to get them too.

Pedro Martínez: Thinking about it more.. I can see too that people could trade bkr for membership too.... if you dont care, you could let me win games of chess to help my bkr, if i buy you a membership.. ... so there is a similarity there...... but again too, your poker winnings on any particular hand is not dependent on how good or bad your m opponent is, unlike BKR

Pedro Martínez: You see?

I can play in "rookie games" and make just as much in chips as i can in a game against a good player....but with BKR, that is not true, I cannot play all poor players all day and make the same BKR progress per win as I can with a quality player.

Pedro Martínez: Well, I see your point, but I dont necessarily consider the amount of chips a person has, as an indicator of how good a poker player they are?

Also, like I said before, there is no "ranking" in poker, except for maybe in tournaments, but in normal play, unlike BKR, the amount of chips I win is not dependent, in part, on how good my opponent is, we all start equal every new hand.

But, now that I think of it, if you do want to have the amount of chips a person has actually represent some sort of evidence of how good a poker player they are, then maybe Fencer needs to show us an indication of how many hands we have played to help us out?

We both may have 30k in chips, but If I have done it in 30 hands and you have done it it 300 hands and someone else has done it in 3000 hands, it all matters, no?

Bernice: Yes, but you can also win brains as well, and then turn them in for money(paid memberships)... and I guess too, you could make a brains tournament with two people, both multi niks, and then lose on purpose, but not quite the same as poker , where everyone is given 1000 chips every day, or whatever it is.


Maybe poker needs to be for paying members only then?

Pedro Martínez: because there is no possible way, really?

Plus BKR is really very different from poker chips.

It doesnt matter when I play poker against you if I have 10 million chips and you only have 1000, if I win or you win, we both win the same amount.But BKR is different, I may only lose 3 BKR if I lose to you, and stand to make 100 if i win, so there is a big difference right there.

Seriously... we have brains, that can be used for memberships etc, why not poker chips as well? (at least after you have figured out how to keep multis from ruining things?)

What do you think about people "selling" their poker chips?

We havent heard from Fencer yet, on his view regarding people "selling" poker chips?

evgen: What, lose a 50k all in hand by folding on purpose, in exchange for a paid membership?

Gordon Shumway: Thanks for that link... it does make sense, I knew someone would find that my theory was wrong!

I guess its more tournament play where a big stack can bully, although he did admit that there might be a psychological advantage at the very least.


But one thing his theory doesnt address is the act of "banking"... if I have 10k and you have 1k, and we both play correctly, over time you will have to buy back in 10 times for every one time I have to buy back in..... so, you cant really "bank" under this concept, its just temporarily taking money off of the table

puupia: one night, one stack" rule.

I havent heard of that one... but I dont have much live casino poker play either, that sounds like a good rule to me


But like I said before, I would rather not have just sat down at some table, then see some other guy come in with some huge amount of chips and basically start buying pots left and right.

Again, to me, the person trying to bank money is really doing himself a disservice at a table, and even though it is frustrating to see someone win a big pot with all your cash and then take it off the table, at least he is coming back and at a disadvantage as well, at least in my opinion.

puupia: I am not sure casinos do have such rules? You sure cannot take money off of a table as you stay and play, but you can get up and leave and come back, and when you do that, you are not even allowed to start with more than the table limit for buy ins.

Problem with most casinos for people trying to bank, is that once they stand up from a table, there is someone waiting to take their seat, so they cannoit just bank and come straight back like they can in here.



Yes, with play money there will always be some donkey who will take his 1K and try to get a lucky double up, or more, and they will play like that in tournaments as well... over the long term, you will take more of their money than they will from you, just play with patience and dont play their style until you have a monster hand.

Bwild: I agree if someone is leaving and then coming back and somehow getting around the blinds, that is not right.

But I have a different take on "banking".... On one hand, I see an advantage to "banking" after doubling up or whatever, and then coming back with less to risk if someone wants to put you all in.

But to me if someone wants to "bank", I feel I get an advantage over them. To me, it is easier to win if you outstack everyone else at the table. So, for example, I have 20K at a 2K table, I can now buy a lot more pots with losing hands than I can if I am short stacked, or conversly, I can make the "banker" (who has now just 2K) fold more winning hands when I push them all in, with a lot less risk to my stack if they call me, than if they had 5K or 10K.

Or another example.... I have just come in with 2K, or lost a hand and have 1K, and the "banker" has just turned in his 10K and come back with 2K. Now he lost his advantage to bully me around with his big stack and make me fold a winning hand when he puts me all in.


I see how it can seem frustrating when someone takes you in a big pot, and then takes "your" money off the table. But in my opinion, he has really just done you and everyone else at the table a big favor

But I am sure that someone can prove how my theory is wrong

Summertop: Yeah..brag about going all in because you are big blind and you only have enough chips left to go all in, and then you win the hand and get an achievement for your big gamble paying off

Fencer.... it seems that we are not credited with an achievement for a winning hand if nobody calls our last bet (the hand is not shown)

no limits time

some no limit poker anyone?

Fencer: No, you are correct, there are no critical problems with the limit and no limits, but the pot limits are not configured correctly, and it has affected everyone, just some people dont realize it and other people dont use the boards or bug reports.

I guess any other features IE more options like advanced play out of turn buttons or standing up without losing your seat, will be a long wait if ever?

hey fenser, not much comment from you at all lately? It would be helpful to get some input on the bugs/problems and suggestions, just to know where we stand on some of the issues, thanks!

yeah, just tried it again, no matter what I bet it always came up 20

other people claimed the same problems too

fencer, seems you have some pot limit issues? I just started trying them today... for example, there was 80 in the pot and i tried to bet 80 and it forced my bet to 20? I did this a couple of times too, and on another table earlier bobwhoosta complained about the same thing happening to him too

oh yeah... I have been meaning to ask.... can we have an option to edit the list of smiley we use when playing poker?

Seems like there is still some sort of an issue with prior hands being shown, but they are not what cards you really have?

Someone mentioned that it might have to do with when someone leaves the table or joins it or something like that? But this time, it was the same three people at the table.

I showed that I had a k q, the same cards from my previous hand, and then it said I won the hand with a full house, jacks and 6s... the 3 jacks were on the board, as was a 6, but i didnt see a 6 in my hand

im on a 1000 buy in pot limit table right now.....

Vikings: Thats what the screen shot does, right?

JPS: and in any rate, its still a bug that i was calling 150 chips on a hand i didnt really have....

JPS: So, then I was seeing cards from my last hand?

I know on some poker sites, the notation tells what cards I was dealt as well as all the other stuff too... that would help clear this up maybe..

AbigailII: I am guessing that fencer can look at all the hole cards to all the games even after the fact, and find that it was wrong?

This is a shot after I lost a game where he won with a pair of threes, but I had two pairs of 4s and 2s, definite bug problem somewhere.....

any no limit takers ready to go right now?

bobwhoosta: I would probably , on a good hunch, either fold pre flop or raise and catch trips on the flop!

I dont mean to keep harping here.... I think it is really important to be able to be dealt out of a few hands without having to leave a table.

Also, if we can get up and change seats without having to miss the next hand to do it would be nice too.

Bwild: he said as much the other day when i asked...

Fencer: ok, sounds good to me, thanks

coan.net: So you could win money in a fellowship game and take it with you to a public table? I guess, either way..... I agree it will be nice to know how you stand against other fellowship members and so forth

Another random thought.... in fellowship poker, would it be best to use separate money from our public money stacks?

Separate systems for each fellowship?

Summertop: I know most places have a way to ignore anyone they want to in the chat, or to turn it off all together....

In real life poker, if you stand up or leave before your blind, and then sit back down, either in a different seat or back at the same one, you have an option to either post the blinds and be dealt in or to wait until the blinds hit you again, and then post them and be dealt in, you cant get out of paying blinds just by getting up from a table.

Same goes for new players joining a table, if they want, they can post blinds and get dealt in straight away, or they can just wait for the normal action to get to them.

Tournament play is a bit different.... you never really leave a table until you have no money left, so if you are there or not there, you post the blinds in turn, and you are always dealt cards, and you are check folded from there... so if it comes your play with no raises in front of you, you automatically check, and if there have been a raise, you are automatically folded.


(sorry, i was writing this when bobwhoosta was posting his)

nodnarbo: The way it is now, you can just check the sit out next hand and then open a new tab or whatever and move on.... but instead of it being sit out next hand it should say leave table...

So.... the sit out next hand option should deal you out but leave you at the table, or you can have it so that you do get cards and take blinds, if you want to, and then auto check fold them....

Then an option to leave the table as well

yeah, this is a real issue..... you have to be able to sit out some hands without losing your seat..... and we have to have tables where the buy in is much lower than the maximum chips we get... It wont really be an issue once our stacks get built up, but I just had over 2000 chips, and lost 1500 on a bad beat, and now I have 480 chips (or whatever under 500) and now I cant play for another 12 hours?