BBW..You are so darn right in your explanation, but why do you say "sorry Fencer" all the time? LOL
We dont need to apologize if we try to help him to make his site mor fun, right?

Good one with the Chaturanga, there are also shogi variants for three and four people which would be nice to eventually have available.

IMCK - It could be either way - make the first turn (and any auto-pass turns) part of the current time limit, or after the first, put back to the main time limit. (But the point would be that the player who CAN play will be able to play the game, instead of sitting on the opponenets board waiting for them to pass.) Personally, I would see after each "Submit", it would be an end to the turn so full time would be put back on, but the game would immediatly be put back on the persons game page to be able to play their next turn.

And in some games, I have seen a player not be able to make ANY moved for months at a time in that game. (Yes, just like now the player will be able to play in other games.), but its not really a matter of playing in a faster game - but being able to play in ANY game. (I don't consider "passing" as playing - it basicly saying "Hey, let the other player play again." - and not actually playing themselfs.) If a player still want to take full time to play their move, then they can still do that. It is NOT the point of auto-pass to make player play faster - but letting player actually PLAY in a game.

Sure, the possibilities exist. In the waiting games area do we need half a dozen different species for any passable game? Tell me why it's worth the fuss. I prefer simplicity, if I have to decide all sorts of this and that everytime I play a game, I'll end up?playing atomic chess or something.

like 'allow autopass upto xx moves' - everything actually
no problem to imagine if not out for 'killing something' as our
slightly excited comrade, some could call it harrassing if repeated ... ~*~

Auto-pass for pawns, is that the idea?

couple of questions BBW....
You said that after each pass the person got another move, or turn... would they then be required to finish their turn, or would their time limit start again, allowing 2 more days or whatever to make the next move? Also, someone would not have to sit there and pass for a month would they? If they were interested in a faster game they could pass their turn right away, without waiting a month or whatever limit the game was. Maybe I am misundersatnding that point...

I'm not harrassing anyone, as a site member I'm the one under attack.

As I said, the player with no move may want to exercise an option such as offering a draw. Even though they have no move, in the case of backgammon, probability may be strongly in their favour, accordingly the player able to move might accept a draw (are there agreed draws in backgammon?) anyway, you get my drift.

we had topic posts about football chess and dice chess ... I'd like remind yet of
the possible Chaturanga dice chess - while hoping together with other paying concerns
that new members who bring up the complete backgammon features are not harrassed. ~*~

I was not going to post on this subject since Fencer has made his decision, and if he does not want it - then it is his site to run, so he does not need to put it in.

But I want keep reading post like ughaibu who thinks that the auto pass would only save 3-4 seconds, and other stuff - so let me first examplain how an auto-pass option would help, and then some reasons why it would be good. (Again, sorry Fencer - I know this has all been said before, but I know that some users were not around to read this before.)

How it will help. Well take this current example of a game. Lets say that each person takes 2 days to make a move.

Jan 1 - Player A moves

Jan 3 - Player B has no moves, passes

Jan 5 - Player A moves

Jan 7 - Player B has no moves, passes

Jan 9 - Player A moves

Jan 11 - Player B has no moves, passes

Jan 13 - Player A moves

Jan 15 - Player B has no moves, passes

Jan 17 - Player A moves

Jan 19 - Player B has no moves, passes

Jan 21 - Player A moves

Jan 23 - Player B has no moves, passes

Jan 25 - Player A moves

Jan 27 - Player B has no moves, passes

Jan 29 - Player A moves

Jan 31 - Player B has no moves, passes

Feb 2 - Player A moves

Feb 4 - Player B Now has a move, and finaly gets to play.

Now lets take the same game example, and show how it would work with auto-pass:

Jan 1 - Player A moves, submits, Player B can not make a move so it allows Player A to make another move. Submits again, Player B can not make a move again, so it allows Player A to make another move. (and so on and so on until Player B is able to move)

Jan 3 - Player B looks at the game, see's a message that says "You had no moves available. CLICK HERE to jump ahead to your current move, or you can click "next" to go through move by move to see what your opponenet has done"

So for the above example, a month was saved in a game - I have seen some games which go MANY months of passing.

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Reasons why it would be good:

1) THIS IS A GAME SITE! Persoanaly, I come here to play games. Me sitting for a month and hitting "Pass" is NOT PLAYING. I've even seen some people just resign because they wanted to play a game, not sit and hit pass for months.

2) Plus other minor issues like it will speed up the time it takes to complete a game, complete a tournament, etc.... but for me, the #1 issues is MY main issue why I would like to see it.

AGAIN - Sorry Fencer to talk more about this subject. :-)

What the hell has a poll got to do with anything?

if your impertinent posts meant to be 'killing something' are removed too.
*belch* and why not wait for the poll before exerting big words again. ~*~

It's not about diffuse puberty rituals of fixative proving whatever, it's about, inter alia, football chess. The trivialisation of this board on the "question" of auto-pass means that the majority will not see the posts of either you or me that made genuine suggestions to improve the site. I hope that Bumble or Red Dragon have the patience and dilligence to delete all the auto-pass crap and leave just those pertinent posts.

if it's just about diffuse puberty rituals of fixative proving whatever, I'll come
back later ... firstly you must sleep eventually, secondly it's more appropriate
to continue when new members have to be supported against your bitching ... ~*~

By "no" I take it you meant A+S were the bitches.

Nice to see a little healthy conflict. ;)

And in answer to the rather obvious jibe about programming knowledge, I am aware it would be easy, i merely stated that would be the only reason not to implement it in my opinion.

I second the use of the Polls link to guage the real preference of paying members.

you can't even kill your boredom ~*~

If you mean me, I'm not bitching, that characterises the behaviour of AndersP and Stevie. I'm quite tired of coming to this board to read about this nonsense so I'd like to kill it today.

and it's possible to switch it off in special, why do you keep bitching ? ~*~

Then explain it.

You miss the poiint UG

It's a question of manners, this is a social site, I dont want people deciding what I do, I might be contemplating resignation or the offer of a draw.

It really doesn't matter to me either way, I dont understand why it's so crucial for you(?) If you're short of games to move in you can stick with shorter time limits or stick another 90 challenges in the waiting games, it's just not a big problem, is it?

if they cant move, there isnt a move for themn to lose is there

Ugh...finally you seem to understand. We are talking about an OPTION!..doesnt that mean that those who want autopass can use it and the "chatters" can choose to not use it. Fair to EVERYONE isnt it?

Never knew you felt like that about me! I think it's absurd to imagine that you decide when your opponent moves, the height of bad manners, the only way I can see to do it is to have two versions of all games that have pass situations, auto-pass on or off.

Medic says "You know, maybe he has answered before and doesnt care to mess with it anymore. How long does it take to just hit the button and move? Geeez "

Thats true, but its the upto 30 days wait for that person to do the press of button that is unecesary.

All other game sites have auto pass on Reversi games.
Maybe Fencer should actually use his poll link to the left and find how the comunity feel.
The only reasoon you hear only a few voices, is because we are the only ones who will speak up.
Just to have some jumped up little jerk, spout a long message of sod all at us each time

I'm not no more, thanks.

lol Dano :)

that is understood :P ~*~

Fine, I dont usually bother answering but this time it was persistent and not new members.

a valid and easy fine-tuning.
It's just annoying whenever a new member asks the autopass question,
the same couple of people jumps him/her in concerted action ... ~*~

How about: we pay him because he pleases us?

are we here to please Fencer, or do we pay him to please us ? ~*~

Actually, Fencer has told me auto-pass would be very easy to add (and anyone with basic programming knowledge would know this). So you can either accept that it isn't going to happen because Fencer does not want to add it and drop it, or continue to complain about it and cause real feature requests to be missed because of it.

Apart from football chess, I'd like to see dice-chess, that should be fairly easy to add(?)

so it's rather a territorial problem than participating in feature development ~*~

I'm bored enough to engage in an otherwise boring activity.

so why do you repeat your even more boring answer over and over ?
the majority considers an option to switch off period. nagging idle. ~*~

You cant expect to auto-pass your opponent's moves, can you? So it won't speed the game up any further than the 3-4 seconds it takes you yourself to pass. Are you people really serious about this? So much talk about something so completely unimportant, incredible, "read a book".

I should not have called the nagging minorities too loudly ... :p ~*~

Medic..He has never answered in public, maybe he has sent you a PM?
I suppose Jason tried to be funny, but im sorry i didnt understand it, stupid swede you know.

You know, maybe he has answered before and doesnt care to mess with it anymore. How long does it take to just hit the button and move? Geeez

And Jason, I wont even answer that one ROFLMAO

Let him answer Medic..if its boring read a book

depends who wears the trousers in his house lolol

This is getting so boring. Andersp, maybe he just doesnt want to do it. Period. Its his site, just as if it were your house and you didnt want a chair, you wouldn't put it there...

I just want to read one REAL..just one..reason and not those faked reasons Kevin has posted 11 times(if his counting is correct).
Is it as simple as Fencer is too embarrased to confess that he doesnt know how to do it?
If i was the owner of a site and a majority wanted me to do something to please ALL players i shouldnt hesitate one second to do it!
Are some peoples money worth more than others?

bot not the same ... maybe this version
smoothes some edges of the original though,
I'll check. thankies ... ~*~

Is that the version you had in mind?