Hey there all!
Well then, I recently joined Bk. I've been playing sabotage on IYT for some tome now, and came across the Sabotage League site, only to find out it no longer is as active as it once was :(
But found a link to this site here: now my question
Is there already a new ''league'' around espionage (sabotage twin) active? With tournaments and stuff? Are you at the beginning? If so, just tell me how I can join ya all ;)
Take care !

Nothingness: Did you mean this game?
Small Fast Espionage (Thad vs. Nothingness)

The bonus was too low for Espionage.

not sure.. i think it was 7days plus 1 hour bonus....

Nothingness: What were the settings?

i got punished by the fisher clock and i was moving fast... its broken... IMO...i was killing the guy and i was making 3-4 moves per day and i lost b/c i didnt make the LAST move of any day. Its a who can stay on the longest clock. i work 3rd shift so i made my last moves at 5 pm and did not get back on until 9 am.

I used to play on IYT couple years ago and I must say now I don believe how can I play in fast tournaments:)

Problem with fischer clock is lots of people dont understand how they work, but if it is set well, than it is good option.

Anyone who has played on IYT will be used to playing tourneys without vacations

Games generally can take anywhere from 1 week to 1 month depending upon the speed of the players
i have finished games in a few hours and i have had games last a few months. I notice that people here on BK take much longer to move. the vacation days do hurt things, more than likely ill have no days off but make the limit 5 days. small fast is looking like the game of choice.

SL-Mark: Yes it does, but if no one can use any vacation days at all then a lot of players won't play in those tournaments.

So to ask an open question...
How long should an Espionage game take to complete at the longest? A month? More?

Thad: If you use time per move, does the option 'No days off'' not prevent vacation days from being used?

If using Fischer (time per game), then a 5 day move limit without vacation can still be set up, as the bonus and limit options can also be set to 5 days!

Chaos: There is no way to limit how much vacation a player can use. It's all or nothing. Too bad Fencer can't (or won't) program BK so that the game/tournament creator can limit how many vacation days a player can use in any one game/tournament. That's one of the things that keeps this site from being good.

Thad: maybe limited vacation in tourney? Anyway, I'm only in when it's small fast...

I am currently stuck in a tournament where my opponent has burned thru more than 80 vacation days and hasn't moved since March 3rd!! I absolutely, positively will not play in any tournament that doesn't use Fischer's clock.

Nothingness:
Preference would be for either Open Fast or Small Fast. Not too bothered about time limit, but probably 5 - 7 days good for most.

I am going to be creating a tourney for Espionage which version would you like to see? and other criteria ... time limit, vaca etc...

basically the fellowship is in a holding pattern until we get more iyt cross overs. Eventually i will be hold a big tourney. just waiting for the right opportunity. i would rather have someone else be in charge of my fellowship. there are a few big bosses.

Chaos: Thank you.
Too bad about that League.
I will check this board from time to time.

The Other Me: Hi, indeed there's nothing much going on around here as far as espionage is concerned. We had a very active sabotage (that's waht it's called at IYT) group (the League mentioned) at IYT, but the League has died because the messageboards at IYT disappeared. We try to build up a new League here, but it hasn't proved succesful so far...

Vikings: Thank you.

Reviewing the link, it appears that here is nothing going on with that fellowship. Certainly nothing close to what the League mentioned below has going ( or is it "had going" ?)


I like the game, however I cannot see paying just to join a list.

ps. Also "Freaks" just does not sound inviting

The Other Me: Espionage Freaks!
but you have to be a paying member to join a fellowship

Is there an Espionage(+ variants) fellowship?

SL-GentleKiller: Do you mean a list of known SL members? You can find it at the official League site: http://www.geocities.com/ruths_corner/index.html


The page with the memberlist is: http://www.geocities.com/ruths_corner/LeagueMembers1.htm

We could play games here, and likewise on IYT. Of course, Brainking espionage League-members should be announced about IYT's sabotage game. I say that all of us should tell about Brainking to many IYT sabotage-players, starting with all SL members.
Chaos, can You post here a list of announced SL players?

Yes Chaos i will be starting up a tourney just as soon as we get enough people to merit such a thing. with Brains as a prize...

Chaos: I don't want to put a damper on things, just want to remind you that as a pawn member, you are only eligible to play in one tournament at a time
You can, however, all join the same stair, or, organize for an example, a single elimination tournament here and have everybody cooperate with creating their own games

I'm ready for new adventures
Joseph

Hi dagger,
well we have to create a League together. It's not something one person can do ;) Nothingness is prepared to create a tournament especially for the new League once there are quite some players here. Am I right, Nothingness?

Chaos:
what are you planning to build a new League here?
If I invite any new player to come here, I should tell him what is the League and what we are doing.
If you need any help, please count on me!

Hi all, I want to ask those who played in the SL to ask those they know to come here. And to everyone here I'd like to say; ask any espionage fan to come to this board. At IYT we had a great League. Let's try and build one here! :)

tankbattler ace: Saboteur's site was lost quite some time ago :..(

does anyone have a link to Sabotage strategies?A potential new player has asked me about the game but I have lost any links I used to have for Saboteurs thoughts etc

thanks Chaos ,got it sorted now,just saved my second one.I see the drop down menu saying I have 2 saved.Is there a limit?

tankbattler ace: maybe you did save both games, only you just see 1 name, not a list like at IYT. The other games are not immediately visble.

By clicking the arrow after "Select action for position:...." you can select one of your saved games.

thanks for the replies ladies and gent.Figured I might as well become a member anyway Mousetrap so I did that yesterday
will take a bit of getting used to this new system I guess,I tried to save 2 different setups yesterday but I must have done something wrong.will try again .See ya's on the boards
Jim

tankbattler ace: Hi Jim :) You can save as many set ups as you like, both as member and as non-member. I use several set ups to have something to start with. Somtimes I use a saved set up and change it so I don't have to start from scratch, but have a new set up anyway.

tankbattler ace: As Nothingness said you can save lots of setups. And I fail to understand what you mean as you are a member? Oh I see you just became a member? I dont think it makes any difference. Difference in membership and being a pawn userally just applies to the amount of tournies you can join and joining Fellowships.

i think you can save many setups. i never use that anyways i use a unique set up for every game i play.

so it looks like I can only save one setup?Is this correct.Does it change if I become a member?

dAGGER: To help people find it, here is a link to the tournament you mention:

All games; 5 players; fast start. #9

another sabotage player joins the ranks--celticjim checkin in

In the tournament:
All games; 5 players; fast start. #9 (Open Fast Espionage)
there are two places left.
Is there anyone willing to join?

Nothingness:
Now it's two starting with SL-

yes you can find players easily by clicking player list on the left and typing in any criteria you choose its seems that only one person has SL- before there name.

Chaos: I will! And Thank you.

Mousetrap: Hi Mousetrap, good to meet you here :) I was a real IYT fan as well, and think of switching to a paid membership here. I hope we can get many sabotage fans from IYT here and espionage fans from this site combined. Best to start getting together on this board I guess.

So do mark this board as a favourite board so you can get here straight away and always be noticed when there's a new message.

Chaos: I played in the league at iyt before I became a non member there. I was dissatisfied with the league games there though. Because when we had to send our own invites some people never even use to reply. If you start up again here you can count me in. Its getting people to move here though as some are diehard iyt fans. I was one myself not so long ago.

Tournament: I'm in :)

Pond: Thanks for explanation of pond. Didn't realise it was a game in its own right, rather a style of tournament (sounded good, that if you beat them, they fell into the pond!!!)

Fellowship: Nothingness, thanks for invite to the espionage freaks fellowship.

Laters, Mark

The Small fast Sabotage in April Selection needs 1 more player to start. Who will join this one?

Vikings: thank you for your explanation (and congrats with your victory ;), I now grasp the idea of the pond game. I thought a pond was a tournament form for any game, but I see it's a game in itself. Indeed it has nothing to do with espionage.

Chaos: You have to be a paying member to play in ponds, there are public ponds and fellowship only ponds.
Just like the other sites, there are "perks" for being a paid member.
As far as understanding ponds, perhaps it might be better to look at a finished pond move for move, here is one you can look at http://brainking.com/en/Pond?bms=0&g=4630 , You might just recognize the winner!;-)