Thanks everyone.. hopefully now we'll have a nice pleasant place to chat about our favourite site again :o)

Finally we are back to a normal DB again... Its about time too... I was tired of reading all the trashy (flame filled) posts... Keep up the great job Michelle!! :-)

i think Fencer had another good idea. Good Luck Harley.

All the best to you PMP and come back to us soon.
Here's to hoping Harley can sit back and do nothing,if we do it right...Good luck to ya :D
Catch ya all on the GC LOL

Harley sitting quietly and just listening? I think I'm gonna faint! :D

LOL, thanks but I wont be deleting anything posted before today! I'm hoping it wont be necessary for me to delete anything at all. I'll just sit quietly in the background and only pounce if someone gets too out of hand! LOL!
Sorry jon, I'm all out of favours!! But if you want to chat about the structure, features and future of BK I'll be very happy!! :oD

Harley, then delete away, with abandon! Good hunting and have fun.

We couldn't ask fr a better mod. Now... what sorts of favours can you get us???

Thanks jondownie, hope everyone else is too :o)

Shortphuse, just this board!

It will be great to see some normality return to this board. Best of luck Harley :)

Will you be moderating the General Chat board and other boards too, or just this one?

Linda aka Blaze

That is fine by me Harley.

Thanks for the welcomes :o)
TTJazz, we've all seen you apologise and offer the hand of friendship, and others do the same. If you want to carry it on I would kindly ask you do it at the general chat board, I WILL delete insults and non-appropriate posts. However, I dont want to delete anything unless its absolutely necessary. Guess that answers Tony's question too :o)
jondownie, this morning, because Fencer has his hands full without reading hundreds of posts that have absolutely nothing to do with anything!

did Harley beocme admin?

Welcome!!

She can delete them.

Does that mean that Harley can transfer away messages onto the General Chat DB (or perhaps into a Rubbish Bin GB)?

Niki, this IS an attempt to get over it. Myself and a few others openly apologised and express a desire to return to civilty, which among ourselves we have...to me thats getting over it. Harley, I was hoping we would ALL make ammends and get this board to how it used to be. I was just hoping the holdout would join in with us and do just that, sorry if it was taken the wrong way. I'll stop on the subject now on this board, again sorry.

happily subordinating to your mercy ... :)

I'm to be whipped like creme ... only cracking-up hazard as sideline ... ;) ...~*~

:o( come on you two, dont make me crack the whip on my first day as moderator eh?!

<seems to be urgent ... I'm comfortable though ... :) ... ~*~
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TTJ .. for goodness sake.. stop biting.. let it go ! for everyone's sake.. please !

Re: Danos..still the insults, so I was wrong, oh well. The majority turn out civil and have class, thats what counts...have a great day all:)

good idea ... :) ... likely going to chill the Dance Of Applicants ... :Þ ... ~*~

Harley is the new moderator of this discussion board. I am glad that she can help me because I have absolutely no time to moderate the current status here ;-)

Looks like I've finally fixed the problem with blank page instead of a list of on-line players. Please let me know immediately if the error occurs again.

No prob CleverHunk, apology accepted as I hope mine was. Nighthawk, Dmitri and myself all posted similar regrets and apologies in a genuine attempt to get over it, make ammends and show a little class and decency after a heated exchange. I ask again, perhaps Danos will swallow a little pride and follow suit if getting over it is on his agenda as well? I leave it in your court.

I owe TTjazzberry,danochek & blaznshore an apology for name calling,it's not my style.I'm sorry.at the time I had for the 2nd time..spent a lot of time reading the the "recent new 60" or so posts..only to find it wasted my time,I learned nothing.I'm usually very even tempered,but this pissed me off..ok,enough said.

My prayers will be with you Patty.

I hope everything goes well for you and good luck to you! I hope and pray everything will turn out ok for you Patty!!!!!!!!!

Good luck with it all Patty!

Patty, best wishes and good luck with your operation. You're right of course, theres no need for any kind of bickering. Get well and join us again soon :o)

I hate to see all the bickering on this board. this is such a wonderful site. however, each person must do what they must do or say --I just want to say re: resigning a game---I am resigning my games because I am going in for cancer surgery next week and I don't want my opponents to have to wait for our games to TIME OUT. so there is one more good reason for a 'resigned' game. I don't have time to put down my REASONS for the resign either and am hoping most of my players will read this or already know about my health and will understand why I am resigning. Please be kind to each other, have fun today because tomorrow some of us may not be able to === I am trying to stay positive and believe that I will be back on site in a few weeks/month, as I said I just want as many ppl on here to know why I am resigning thus I am posting on this board.

LMAO TTjazz!!! Who gets the honour of dishing that one out then?! Or do I get to choose?!! LOL!

Wrong board Harley, for that ya get 50 lash's with a wet noodle! lol

You lot are kidding, right? You're arguing about which board to debate which board to use??? Do me a favour, press the 'show oldest message first' and have a read of the early posts. There was never so much petty bickering here and this just takes the biscuit. Oops, have I posted this on the wrong board??? I give up, I'll leave you lot to it.

which boad people should post on is a matter about the site. So this is the right place.

JonDownie, this isn't the IYT Ladder Group over at Yahoo. If you must question whether or not people are using the correct board, please do that over at the General Chat Board not on this one. In fact anything not related to games should be posted on the GC board. Just by starting a debate over which board people should be using, and doing it here, don't you realise that you yourself are actually posting off-topic too?

Blaze

As for whether or not a person should resign, in a hopeless case between 2 serious opponents its probably a good idea. I agree with Dmitri however that between good friends ya do what you feel and even try the silly moves just to hack around, maybe even play with a bit of endgame for practise. Also agree GL is a polite way to begin, even if thats the last thing you mean as far as the eventual outcome of the game goes.

Maybe we can make JD the CEO of the BK board and put a stop to all this injustice. hehe

Why is this just about pente? Dmitri is using pente as an example as its the game he plays most often, but it applies to all games.
Should an opponent resign when they have obviously lost, or carry on to the end?
I personally find it difficult to decide. In games like checkers I've had one king left, and my opponent 4 kings, and I've had a lucky break and gone on to win. So I rarely resign a checkers game now.
But how about backgammon if you have 200 points left and your opponenet less than 50? Its impossible to catch up. but if I resign I feel like I'm taking away that persons 'winning' move, the satisfaction of moving out that last piece.
In situations like that I often ask the person I'm playing if they'd like me to resign.
In chess, I like to play to the end because theres always room for error. I believe theres no right and wrong answer here. I'd like it if my opponenet asked me to resign if I'd obviously lost and not noticed, especially on games I'm not familiar with like pente!
Its really down to the individual what they prefer.
But if someone said to me 'lousy game' I would be highly offended! Even Dmitri offered me a 'gg' when I KNEW I'd played terribly!! It was one of the first games of pente I'd EVER played and didn't really know what I was doing, but he was a gent about my losing miserably!!
Even just say 'thanks for the game' if you feel you can't bring yourself to say 'gg'.. theres never any need for rudeness.

Check TonyH's Original post, called "resignations," that was the post that started the thread, and he did not mention pente. I was just using examples from the game I know best.

to pretty much be revolving around pente. It seemed to be about game etiquette in pente.

jon-- chill! let's not have any more flame-ups on the boards. Relax. Now, this is about game ettiquette in general, not just pente. What is being discussed applies to all games, not just pente, and it applies to the general attitude of players during games. I was using pente as a convenient example, but the issue is applicable to any game.

Please move this to the pente board. This is about the site in general. There is a board for pente issues, thisis not it. Why do you think there is a pente board? why can't this discussion be carried on there??

double grin :))

The in game language is interesting.. Often when one says "gg," in fact, it was a total blowout, and not a particularly good game, but, what I think is really meant by "good game" is that the other person was polite and a good sport about it. But, many of our little phrases in English are used without regard to what they actually mean. FOr instance, everyone says "HIm good luck" at the start of a game (well, almost everyone), but, do you really want your opponent to have good luck against you? Of course not. BUt, I say it too. I guess it could mean "I hope we have a good solid game where I am able to win by some means other than a careless error," because those are the gmnaes that are really challenging and lead to improvement.

So, I often say "good luck" to my opponents as well. If for no other reason than just to be polite and get conversation started.

... and I always though "gg" was a double grin, as if one wouldn't have been enough!

really belongs o the pente board. Not here. There is a reason pente has its own board.

Tony-- I HATE it when an opponent plays on in an obviously lost position. Sometimes amng friends, we will do so just to goof around and to continue the conversation thread, maybe even placing stones in silly places on the edge of the board for a laugh. But otherwise, I just find it a pain. I think a good time to resign in pente is when the other player has an open 4 (with no interrupting captures) or has just threatened a 5th capture that cannot be defended. Why play on at that point? There are only two reasons: 1) hope that the opponent times out or 2) make a 4 of your own somewhere and hope that your opponent forgets what was happening in the game and forgets that he just made a game winning open 4.

Either way, I think the sportsmanlike thing to do is to simply resign, say "good game," and move on.

Of course, there may be an exception-- if you find yourself in a lost position that you are ONLY in because you made a careless error yourself in a game that you woul have otherwise won, then of course you will probably want to play it out until the final moment to see if your opponent accidentally returns the favor with a similar error.

There are two things you can do:

1) Along the lines of what Harley said-- when you have a clear forced win, say "Good game" to your opponent and maybe he wil get the idea and resign. You cna even explain (politely) your forced win.

Drawback-- what if you are wrong and are overlooking soemthing? You will look like a fool, and worse, your opponent might think you were actually trying to pull the wool over his eyes!

2) If you have a forced win and the opponent is dragging the game out needlesly, you can do the same back at him! Keep taking captures to really turen it into an ass-whopping, or keep making trias and other threats, passing up winning moves as long as you cna drag it out, and then maybe next time the player will resign with some dignity.

But-- another possibility-- a beginning player might not see a forced win by his opponent as early as the opponent sees it; that is something else to keep in mind.

There is really only one thing that truly upsets me, that I consider completely unacceptable--

If the opponents says to you "Well, good game, you got me, I have lost, well played, I can't stop you now, etc. etc. etc.," BUT then instead of resigning or just playing at A1 or T19 (which players often do as a means of showing they are giving up), the player will instead make a meaningless 4 of his own somewhere on the board. I hate that. One should not talk up his opponent as if the game were over and then try something sneaky like that.

Either 1) Just make your own 4 somewhere and don't say anything, or 2) congratulate him and resign.

But please, don't make a big deal out of congratulating someone as if you are accepting defeat only to try to get him off guard and miss your meaningless threat. I think that is extremely poor game ettiquette, and also a very cheap tactic.

Saying GG is good sportsmanship, I do it all the time, not saying so shows a lack of class especially when your opponent has won. Nothing wrong in being decent and acknowledging your opponent played well.

Sometimes its difficult to know whether to resign or not. Some players like to play to the end, win or lose. To put 'lousy game' is plain ignorant when your opponent might have only carried on out of politeness to you. If it bothers you ask them to resign, they'd probably be glad to.