Oceans Apart: it was a general comment on how
ppl are abusing vacation days and nothing is being done about it
as Dhass said its a side of the site that needs looking at
as i know from many messages ive received theres tons of other ppl
who have the same problem

*my post was out of line for this board. My apologies.

TarantinoFan:  it was a few other people

Oceans Apart: how about ppl only getting there vacation days back on the day they use them
ie...if i used one on 1st May i wouldnt get it back till the 1st of May next year

please people .. can this be a discussion about vacation days in general and the possibility to abuse it .. dont turn this into a thread about 1 person

thats not what this board is about .. this board is about brainking

vacation days are there for people to use if they need them ... some people move first in the 'easier' games (like ludo), and then in games which require more thinking (like chess) .. so you will see more people use vacation days for games like chess than they will use them for games like ludo

the problem with vacation days is that someone can use them all up before the end of the year .. and then simply renew his/her membership to get a new stock .. for some people the price of a membership isnt a problem to pay several times a year and so they can have a LOT of vacation days

Hrqls: I really apprecitae and understand what you are saying. What Snoopy and I are commenting on, is the way people intentionally abuse them, especially when they know they cant win a match, they dont make a move until the very last minute.

Quote Hrqls: vacation days are there for people to use if they need them

Yes that is true but some people constantly abuse the system. If the person is on site almost every day then they obviously don't "need" the vacation days.

If they sign up for games they should take into consideration the time they will need to play the "thinking" games and not sign up for so many games. It shows a total lack of consideration for their opponents and the other people in the tournament. And this becomes highly apparent where pawns are involved.

TarantinoFan: thanks for editing your post :)

my opinion is that if a person moves within the time limits of a game .. then tere are no problems ..

sometimes some moves can be made easily within seconds while at work (i do that with backgammon) but not with other types (i do that with line and chess games)

but as long as they are within the time limit there shouldnt be a problem .. its sad for pawns though (and for non pawns as well) .. so if a person asks another person to move whenever possible .. it would be quite polite to make moves in those games first and whenever possible

(i do that in some games because my opponent asked me)

its up to the players while joining tournaments/games and to the opponents by being polite and fair ... the system of brainking can do little about that (it already offers games without vacation days and even without weekend days :))

Quote Hrqls: but as long as they are within the time limit there shouldnt be a problem

And therein lies the whole problem with vacation days. Some people choose to ignore the set time limit for the tournament. Some people will let a game run on vacation days til they have no more and then renew membership so they can allow it to run on even longer.

And some people on this site are not approachable. My deleted comment was in reference to that fact. Some people can get rather nasty both in PM and f/s messages when asked to move faster. And they seem to relish the fact that they are annoying another member and purposely choose to allow that one game to drag. The system allows for that and the start of this whole conversation was to try to find a way to stop that from happening.

TarantinoFan: I must admit TF, that this conversation has gone on since forever....way back before Hrqls, and it has never (to my knowledge) been addressed by Fencer directly. As far as they are concerned on here, as long as you dont time out you can do what you want with the time to move....and as I said further down...to prolong a LOSS is very unsportsman like but then......??? isnt that what vacation days are for????

I will be very surprised if both your post and mine arent edited in some way ROFL.....

Bernice: I think that the powers that be believe that red and green spots are the way to deal with this problem Unfortunately they don't take into account life in general.

The basic premise of vacation days is a good idea. Most of us have home and family and work etc and knowing that I have vacation days to fall back on if I need them is a good idea.


This discussion is about the abuse of that system and it seems that heads have been stuck in the sand when it comes to that aspect of it.The vacation days available to each player were set at a fixed limit per year for a reason,but it seems that reason has become obscured by the magic green stuff. It seems that if you can pay for it you can continue to abuse the system all you like.

If a player is continually abusing the system surely something can be done about it. A repeat offender should not be allowed to continue their unsportsmanlike conduct after continual complaints.

This is after all a game site and if you want more people to join the site then setting that kind of example is surely not the way to go.

Bernice:

i know i wasnt the first to bring the subject up and i wont be the last
until the matter of abusing vacation days is dealt with
its just so sad that a few people on here are allowed to get away with it over and over

"Snoopy": If it is only a few people, then just dont play them anymore... can we please move on now?

Family Man: If you want to take part in tournaments then there is no way to completely avoid a certain player. If they are the last player to join a tournament and that tournament starts while you are offline you don't have much choice in the matter do you?

TarantinoFan:
my suggestion is for Fencer to run a poll on this subject and he be amazed at the result i bet!!!!