Artful Dodger: Sorry I spoiled your misquote YET AGAIN

(V): No, you're just not willing to accept the fact that no ideas are completely original if they copy or use even ONE idea from something else. The inter-relationship between ideas makes that virtually impossible. The word "original" pertains to the origins or beginnings of something. For an idea to truly be "original" it MUST precede all others. You might invent something that appears to be completely original but on closer inspection it's clear that elements of the idea preceded it's inception. Sticky Notes is a good example of a BAD example of an original idea. There is nothing about a sticky note that is new with the exception of the glue strip on the back. That's the ONLY part of that idea that is "new." And yet the concept of sticking notes here and there as reminders preceded the invention of sticky notes.

But we were talking about thought and ideas and specifically ideas of a politician (any will do). And so going back to The Col's whine about Mitt: No one, not even Obama has had an original thought. Obama's actually continuing some of the very same Bush policies that got us in the financial mess. Name even ONE original thought from Obama and we can trace that idea back into history.

Once again, yer schooled.

Artful Dodger: Yeah, yeah, yeah.... I said as such earlier about Jesus.

So? We pick and nit pick everything... and end up nowhere!! 3*

Artful Dodger: Was I right or what? (I was right).

BTW, did you notice how I didn't quote Descartes and yet jules claims to have spoiled my misquote? (I noticed).

(V): You are the one picking. I made a point and you wouldn't accept it even though I am right about it. No one has had an original thought. Especially you.

Artful Dodger: Descartes has said that there exists no idea that can be completely original and new. His stated reason is that any "new" idea is simply a recombination of previous ideas. This has been my argument. And you should know that even the Bible says that there is nothing new under the sun.

Again Jules, look up the word original. Then argue against Descartes and God.
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Artful Dodger: No Dan.. you are not. You've taken a philosophical look at ideas and thinking and taken it out of context.

(V): Where's the "" I didn't quote him. Do you not know the difference between explaining his position and quoting him? You can't misquote unless you quote. Definition of QUOTE: repeat somebody's exact words: to repeat or copy the exact words spoken or written by somebody


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(V): NOPE Jule.

Artful Dodger: pettifogging.

(V): Yep, you certainly are.

I challenge any of you liberal (that's you Jules) to name one contemporary original thinker, thought, or idea. Name just ONE.

......waiting...........................

Artful Dodger: And don't say Sticky Notes. I've already demolished that argument.

Subject: Re:Liberals love to attack the person rather than focus on their ideas.

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Artful Dodger: You and your buddy do enough of that.. If liberals "love to attack the person rather than focus on their ideas" .. then you and your buddy must find it... orgasmic.

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Please note how Jules will now try to refute Descartes even though he's quoted him in the past. It never ends.

Pettifog much? Obfuscate?



Next, Jules will try to teach God a lesson too.
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(V): You're boring me again. Stay on point.

Artful Dodger: I'm sorry, but we've been through this with your buddy. I don't have to do anything if I choose not to.

The moderators say so

I'd rather spend the time on Diablo 3

(V): I should have known. YOu don't like to stay on point because it's easier to pettifog when you ignore the point. Besides, when you don't have a cogent point, rabbit trails are necessary for you.

Silvery Moon: they do bicker a lot and reading back - waaaay back others have been told off for doing the same thing. These two must be special.

but they are interesting really even if it is aload of rubbish.

MissDelish: Best sentence all night!!

MissDelish: I beg to differ: My stuff may be a load of rubbish (sometimes there are treasures found in rubbish) but Jules stuff is simply a load of crap (and in a load of crap you'll likely find maggots and a foul smell).

MissDelish: And

I'm funny. And smart. And interesting. And thoughtful. And right.

Jules is just boring.

Subject: Re:Liberals love to attack the person rather than focus on their ideas.

Are you being a hypocrite Daniel?

And now Jules, please name a politician that has had an original thought. Take your time but do it before hell freezes.

Vikings: ohhhh, big letters too. That must mean you really mean it. ok. I was winning too.

In the next few hours Nasa will attempt to land its one-tonne Curiosity rover on the Red Planet to study the possibility that this world may once have hosted microbial life.

The vehicle is packed with scientific instruments, including a laser that can zap rocks to determine their make-up. Curiosity is currently hurtling through space, close to the end of a 570 million km journey from Earth.

Engineers describe its trajectory as near-perfect and they have passed up the last two opportunities to make course corrections. The rover, tucked inside a protective shell, is due to begin its descent to the surface at 05:24 GMT, Monday (06:24 BST; 22:24 PDT, Sun).

A signal confirming it has landed inside a deep depression known as Gale Crater is expected on Earth about seven minutes later, at 05:31 GMT.

But getting this audacious exploration project safely down will be a colossal challenge. Two-thirds of all missions sent to the Red Planet have failed, a good many lost on entry into the thin but unforgiving Martian atmosphere.

>>>>>>>fingers crossed!!

(V): Crossing your fingers won't help. But precise calculations will. So I'm banking on the math.

(V): Our pristine record of respecting our own planet must have all those Martians excited about our latest probe

The Col: I bet their sweepers get extra for all the refined metals they find. Maybe we can hire them to sweep Earth's orbit of all the ... ... residue

(V): Does Halliburton have the contract?

The Col: ... Hopefully to defrost and analysis the residue!!

(V): "...the possibility that this world may once have hosted microbial life."

Mars awaits our arrival...

Iamon lyme: See?! I knew it. Well when traveling, I always look for the closest Starbucks. I just made my Gold!

Iamon lyme: I'll bet that since they don't have any control of that Rover that something goes wrong. Maybe crashes even. But not to worry as the little Martians have unique fixit tools (unique to us that is) and they can fix anything (except our economy - I know this because Obama is from Mars).

Other than that, the bunny seems to be ok. The cat loves to play with the yarn ball. Any old one will do.

Artful Dodger: They'll have as much luck finding evidence of microbial life on mars as they have had in finding intelligible radio signals from space. I mean seriously, it's not enough to be looking for intelligible communications right here on earth?

There are many more factors that go into conditions suitable for life than just being in the "goldilocks zone". Or in just finding water within the goldilocks zone.

Of all the people NOT inclined to oversimplify what it takes for life to survive (much less flourish) you would think NASA scientists should be near the top of that list. No one can tell me that belief (aka, faith) isn't a factor in their thinking.

Iamon lyme:

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US authorities have said they are investigating reports that a gunman who killed six people at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin had white supremacist links.

Wade Michael Page, 40, who was gunned down by police during Sunday's attack near Milwaukee, reportedly performed in a far-right music group. President Barack Obama said on Monday "soul searching" was needed about how to reduce violence in the US.

The FBI is treating the attack as a possible domestic terrorism case. American Sikhs have reported being targeted since the 9/11 attacks, because they are mistaken for Muslims as a result of wearing turbans and beards.

Police chief John Edwards told a Monday morning news conference they were confident Page was the only shooter.

The gunman opened fire at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin in Oak Creek as dozens of people were preparing for a service on Sunday morning. Five men and a woman aged between 39 and 84 died. Four people were found dead inside the building, and two outside....

....The gunman also fired at a police car and ignored orders to drop his weapon, before he was shot dead outside by police, said the authorities.

Page used a 9mm semi-automatic pistol, which was recovered at the scene and had been bought legally, authorities said.

A civil rights group, the Southern Poverty Law Center, has described Page as a "frustrated neo-Nazi".

>>>> A Joker and now a neo nazi... when are the gun laws in the USA going to get responsible, to which the nutters in the USA are screened out before they get the chance to buy thousands of rounds of ammunition online in one hit and kill people? Is it so against the 'constitution' that mentally unstable people are restricted from owning guns? Can't they just have one like in the old days???

Butte, Montana
Shotgun preteen vs. Illegal alien Home Invaders...
Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11-year-old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their
two-story home.

It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay-shooting champion since she was nine.


Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his
12-gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee-crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds
to his abdomen and genitals.

When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death
before medical help could arrive.



It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45-caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0'Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.


Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........?
An 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself.

(V): Once again the quick fix of gun regulations rears its ugly head.  Chicago has strict gun laws but the criminals don't follow the rules.  Imagine that! 

50,000 people are killed in knife attacks each year.  Let's ban silverwear.  On a more serious note, if a loon wants to kill people, there are plenty of ways to kill people.  Knives, machetes, cross bow, Exacto knives (what they used to take over the airplanes on 911,) poisions,  cars, mobs.....if you can think it, you can use it. 

But leave it to the left wing loons to use a tragedy to push for gun control. They are ok with knives killing people.  They are ok if cars kill people.  But use a gun, now that's a terrible crime.

These are the same people BTW that are perfectly fine with a doctor reaching into the womb and ripping apart a defenseless human being.   These are the same people that are ok with partially delivering a baby (leaving the head in the mother) and cutting a slit in the back of the baby's head and sucking it's brains out a tube.  THAT is fine with these people.  But gun ownership?  God forbid thousands die from guns but millions from abortions, yeah, they are ok with that.

Spare the rest of us your feigned outrage.

Teen kills NINE in knife attack.

And how about this one closer to home

Six people killed in Knife Attack!

Let's get the government involved in regulating knife purchases too while we're at it.  ~sigh

Vikings: It would in the UK. Like the time when a granny frightened off a gang of jewel thieves with just her voice and handbag.

Vikings: "He suffered fatal wounds
to his abdomen and genitals."

Ouch! And I'll bet it wasn't the abdomen wound that killed him...

As the father of three girls (all adults now) I have a fairly good idea of how the father must be feeling about this... pretty damn good!

(V): "...a granny frightened off a gang of jewel thieves with just her voice and handbag."

When will these guys ever learn? You just don't mess around with granny! It never ends well.

(V): thats nice that she frightened them off........................to go steal from someone else, This girl made sure that these thieves, killers, will never do it again!!!!!!!

Vikings: Okay, so she made a big bloody mess in the house... so what? Kids will be kids. I think the dad ought to at least take her out for some ice cream. That's what I would do.

Most ridiculous British laws:

1. It is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament

2. It is an act of treason to place a postage stamp bearing the British monarch upside-down

3. In Liverpool, it is illegal for a woman to be topless except as a clerk in a tropical fish store

4. Mince pies cannot be eaten on Christmas Day

5. In Scotland, if someone knocks on your door and requires the use of your toilet, you must let them enter

6. In the UK a pregnant woman can legally relieve herself anywhere she wants, including in a policeman's helmet

7. The head of any dead whale found on the British coast automatically becomes the property of the King, and the tail of the Queen

8. It is illegal not to tell the tax man anything you do not want him to know, but legal not to tell him information you do not mind him knowing

9. It is illegal to enter the Houses of Parliament in a suit of armour

10. In the city of York it is legal to murder a Scotsman within the ancient city walls, but only if he is carrying a bow and arrow

Most ridiculous foreign laws:

1. In Ohio, it is illegal to get a fish drunk

2. In Indonesia, the penalty for masturbation is decapitation (which head do they cut off?)

3. In Bahrain, a male doctor can only examine the genitals of a woman in the reflection of a mirror

4. In Switzerland, a man may not relieve himself standing up after 10pm

5. In Alabama, it is illegal to be blindfolded while driving a vehicle

6. In Florida, unmarried women who parachute on a Sunday could be jailed

7. In Vermont, women must obtain written permission from their husbands to wear false teeth

8. In Milan, it is a legal requirement to smile at all times, except funerals or hospital visits

9. In Japan, there is no age of consent

10. In France, it is illegal to name a pig Napoleon

Vikings: We don't tend to have many killers in the UK. A mate of mine last year dealt (he's a store manager) with someone who walked in and the tried to walk out with a crate of beer... He ran after him, gave him a bit of a slapping (UK term) and left it at that.He sent a message to anyone else who was thinking of theiving from his store that you won't get away with it.

The store has not been hit since.