Artful Dodger: ... you are trying to rewrite recorded history. While it might be true to say at a local level many democrats still were voted in, AT A NATIONAL LEVEL a switch was made due to the civil rights laws.. where the people had voted NATIONALLY for Democrats, they switched and voted for the Republicans as they then were without any real voter base and used the vacuum, by becoming aligned with the POLICIES AT A NATIONAL LEVEL the voters wanted.

ZoNation with Alfonzo Rachel: The Democratic Party's Long History of Racism: http://youtu.be/vb6Hv4nJ40U via @youtube

mckinley: "I didn't say slavery had nothing to do with the war. I said it was about economics and not morals."

Apparently I don't know what you mean by morals. I'm not able to separate morals from what goes on in our daily lives, and I think it may have played a bigger part in politics back then than it does now.

But assuming ecomonics was the major reason and driving force behind the civil war (and slavery only a sideline issue?), then can you explain what part economics played in sparking that war?

My understanding is the tension between the North and South led to the South wanting to secede from the Union, and it appears you are saying the reason for that tension had more to do with economics than with slavery. I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, I'm just trying to understand what you mean.

If the South's economy was not so closely tied to slavery, and Northern abolitionists were not against slavery, then how could economic forces alone have played a part in sparking the war? Are you saying the war had more to do with money than with ideological differences? If so, what did the South have that the North wanted so badly it was willing to go to war for it?

If you could tell me what you mean by economic reasons for the war, I'd have a better idea of what you are talking about.

A word to rioting Muslims: http://youtu.be/GCXHPKhRCVg via @youtube

mckinley: Also, what did you mean when you first said you didn't know who you wanted for president?

If you are a Democrat and will vote for the Democratic candidate, then does it really matter who you want for president? And if you give Obama another four years to continue doing what he has been doing, do you believe your Southern economy will fare better under Obama than with Romney? Does party loyalty trump any and all other considerations? It doesn't with me.

I don't care what the candidates call themselves, I care about what they will do once they are in office... and Obama has already answered that question for me. A few years down the road if someone complains to me that he has made the US a laughing stock in the eyes of the world, and has irreversibly crippled our economy and our ability to defend ourselves from our enemies, all I'll be able to say is "I didn't vote for him."

mckinley: We've had two Democratic presidents in 34 years."

Doesn't matter if all or none were Democrats. There are reasons why people vote the way they do, and those reasons have little to do with how many times a Republican or Democrat has won an election.

"It isn't going to go away and there are pro choice Republicans too."

There are pro abortion Independents and pro life Democrats as well. Party affiliation is only relevant when you look at what your party as a whole favors and what it opposes. The Democratic party as a whole and Democrats in general favor abortion over the pro life position. But if you are in the minority opinion among your peers, then there is nothing unusual about that.

Take a little trip back in time, and ask yourself how many people probably believed slavery wasn't going to go away either. The legality of abortion or slavery isn't the issue. The issue should be (if you are a Christian) is it okay in the eyes of God to end the life of a child regardless of the childs stage of development.

There were Christian slaves and Christian slave owners during St Pauls life, but I seriously doubt there were any Christians who thought it was okay to kill a child.

"Do I have blood on my hands if I vote Democratic?"

If you support abortion then yes, at least indirectly if not directly, you have blood on your hands. You are not only responsible for what you do, but also responsible for what you encourage other people to do.



Being an adult sucks, doesn't it?

Iamon lyme:re : Being an adult sucks, doesn't it? "

Actually , "being an adult" is ever elusive for some .Children think they have all the answers don't they

The Col: Especially it seems when it comes to history. An old saying regarding history is that we are here because our ancestors were victors.

... ie they killed.

N' sometimes believing they were doing Gods will.

Even now there are instances of a literal evangelical style Christian belief system that teaches that children can be 'witches' that was spread in various African countries by missionaries...

http://www.christianpost.com/news/child-deaths-on-rise-in-uk-linked-to-fundamentalist-african-churches-70946/

The recent case of a couple convicted in the witchcraft-related murder of a teen girl in London sheds light on a larger problem affecting Britain and other Western countries that has its origins in fundamentalist African churches, according to observers.

Magalie Bamu, 29, and her boyfriend Eric Bikubi, 28 were found guilty of torturing Bamu's 15-year-old sister and then allowing her to drown, in an apparent attempt to rid her of the evil spirits they believed she was possessed by, The Telegraph reported. Cases like this are becoming more common in England involving immigrants from Central Africa, where children are often accused of witchcraft, are settling in and bringing such beliefs with them.

There are apparently no less than 84 child abuse cases linked to witchcraft that have been investigated in the past 10 years in the U.K., the Metropolitan Police revealed.

Witchcraft has been present in the Central African region for centuries, but it has recently been integrated with Christianity – pastors in countries such as the Democratic Republic of Congo and Nigeria often take money from parents to perform exorcism rituals which they claim will rid their children of demonic possessions. The belief that children can be possesed by spirits has its roots in traditional African practises, but many of these churches have tried to connect those traditional beliefs with passages in the Bible that say Jesus healed people posessed by demons.

According to The Telegraph's report, there are more than 20,000 children in DR Congo who are forced to live homeless on the streets of the capital Kinshasa because they have been accused of sorcery.

The Col: It's not an easy transition. Everyone likes the idea of having rights and freedoms reserved for adults, and most can't wait to be old enough to have and exercise those rights. And then (why only then?) we find out about the other side of that coin... dare I say it?


*responsibility*

The Col: Children do have all the answers. I know this because I was once a children myself. You wouldn't know it looking at me now (Don't look at me!) but it's true.

Adulthood had more heachaches waiting for me than I had ever guessed. It never occurred to me that anything I did would ever come back to haunt me, until it started coming back to haunt me. The guy who wrote Amazing Grace had more coming back to haunt him than I ever did, but he turned out okay. So maybe I'll be okay too... that's the sort of thing I will invest my hope in. I won't "hope" because of some cheesy political campaign slogan, because that kind of emotional pandering is about as empty as it gets.

Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace

"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29

2012.09.30 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - Islamists fire grenades into a local fair.
2012.09.29 (Yala, Thailand) - Brave Mujahideen shoot a 72-year-old man to death.
2012.09.29 (Narathiwat, Thailand) - A 42-year-old Buddhist woman is machine-gunned by Runda Kumpulan Kecil while riding with her husband.
2012.09.29 (Yala, Thailand) - Muslim 'separatists' shoot a married woman in the back as she is riding a motorcycle with her husband.
2012.09.28 (Karachi, Pakistan) - A prayer leader is sprayed with bullets by sectarian rivals.
2012.09.28 (Yala, Thailand) - An elderly couple is slain outside a plantation by Muslim militants.

It's best to remember where you planted the bombs.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/213746.php

http://youtu.be/RkUsCG-feRk


They ARE savages: http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/213740.php

Those knickers twisting in the wind yet?

Artful Dodger: America... a disgruntled ex employee shoots his boss killing 4 and 3 serious.

Gun nuts thinking they can fix a problem with a bullet, that vengeance is their right. Shocking!!

It was a suicide attack, as the guy then shot himself!!!

Iamon lyme: you didn't post that!

After Barack Obama told Martin’s parents “if I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon”, blogs and websites surrounding key conservative figures like Glenn Beck and Dick Cheney began calling for the country to ‘wait for the facts’ and respect ‘due process’, rallying on Twitter around the #teamdueprocess hashtag. They did this by implying that Martin was a criminal.

On March 19, Beck’s website, The Blaze, speculated without much evidence that Martin could have been suspended from school for drug possession, “sexual harassment”, or “arson”. The Miami Herald spent four paragraphs listing ‘suspicious’ facts about Martin’s bags (like “women’s jewellery” and a “burglary tool”) and on the same day, The Daily Caller, co-founded by Dick Cheney, published a compilation of tweets reportedly culled from Martin’s deleted Twitter account, by an ‘undisclosed source’. The Conservative Review immediately branded the teen “a criminal thug on his way to a life in prison”.

The campaign of character assassination didn’t stop with the right wing media. On March 25, a Twitter news site run by another Fox News contributor, Michelle Malkin, posted a picture of an entirely different Trayvon Martin which had appeared one day before on the neo-nazi website Stormfront.

On March 29, a white supremacist hacker called ‘Klanklannon’ took up the work of Cheney’s Caller and leaked private messages he claimed belonged to Martin. The hacker invited people to log into Martin’s gmail account and see for themselves, having helpfully changed the password to ‘n*****************’.

Meanwhile, the conservative National Review had the nerve to fire contributing editor John Derbyshire on April 8 for looking beyond the controversy to the wider issues at stake. “Avoid concentrations of blacks not all known to you personally,” he wrote in an article for Taki’s Magazine, responding to Trayvon-inspired race debates by describing ‘the talk’ he gives to his kids. “Do not attend events likely to draw a lot of blacks,” he went on (each point was backed up by a link to a crime or scandal which happened to involve an African-American). Avoid amusement parks if they are “swamped with blacks,” he warned; “Do not settle in a district or municipality run by black politicians.”

In the Fox-News-o-sphere’s focus on Trayvon and its implication that Zimmerman needed “protecting” from a dangerous thug is the germ of the idea that brought Nazis to Sanford. Anything in Martin’s life that was remotely ‘suspect’ (or, often, youthful) became evidence that he was a threat – better evidence, apparently, than prosecutors could ever provide.

‘Protection’ has served as a worse excuse before. In his terrifying expose of post-Katrina killings in New Orleans, AC Thompson shows how a white militia group described as “the ultimate neighbourhood watch” attacked black citizens with impunity. 32-year-old Donnell Herrington was shot in the neck by vigilantes – he claimed there was no warning – in affluent Algiers Point, which one militiaman gleefully described as “like pheasant season in South Dakota”. “I’m not a prejudiced individual,” said another, “but you just know the outlaws who are up to no good. You can see it in their eyes.”

Then, as the New Statesman notes, there was Camp Grayhound, a “facsimile of Guantanamo Bay” built in two days by prison labour where the militias brought ‘arrested’ citizens to be thrown in outdoor cages and repeatedly pepper-sprayed. One was Syrian-American Abdulrahman Zeitoun, the subject of a non-fiction book by Dave Eggers, who spent three days there for no particular reason (“you guys are al-Qa’ida,” he was told; “We’re taking our city back”). According to the Statesman, police had claimed that babies were being raped in the refugee camps and that officers should “shoot looters”. Last year the entire New Orleans Police Department was placed under judicial supervision as a threat to the public.

For the Katrina militias, as for the Sanford neo-Nazis, protecting white America meant threatening blacks; for the conservative blogosphere, protecting George Zimmerman means dirtying the name of a dead youth. This uneasy parity in logic reveals the racist undertones of a campaign to thugify Trayvon which writers have shared with white supremacists. Zimmerman will be tried by the courts, now, and not by the media – which is all the protesters ever wanted. But in the meantime, the American far right must take a serious look at the company it keeps.

mckinley: [ "I didn't say slavery had nothing to do with the war. I said it was about economics and not morals." ]

The only way that can make sense is if you meant the war was lost because of economics, and not because of morality. I assumed you were talking about why there was a war to begin with.

No one in the North is judging y'all for losing the civil war. lol

Iamon lyme: The Civil War was son long ago I don't even remember it happening.

Iamon lyme:

> If you support abortion then yes, at least indirectly if not directly, you have blood on your hands. You are not only responsible for what you do, but also responsible for what you encourage other people to do.

Does that apply to wars too? I mean, the USA and its allies killed 300,000 people in Afghanistan; 750,000 in the Gulf War; 400,000 more in the Iraq war; 6,000,000 in Vietnam; 3,000,000 in Korea, etc.

If people voted for those governments that went to war, do those people have blood in their hands? If you are a person who supported any of these wars, do you have blood in your hands? Is believing in war different from believing in abortion?

Übergeek 바둑이: Romney protested the anti Vietnam war protests , but chose to go to Paris instead of Vietnam.That takes stones

Übergeek 바둑이: She asked me a loaded question, and probably didn't expect me to answer. I don't care if it was intended as a rhetorical question or not, liberals have their own way of showing aggression and I have my own way of dealing with it. So sue me.

Your question is even sillier than hers, but I'll answer it anyway... yes, I believe there are wars and I believe there are abortions. Hey, you asked.


I don't get to decide who is a real person and who isn't, that's for liberals to decide. Slaves weren't real people, so it was okay for biggots to have them as slaves. Jews were not real people, so it was okay for the nazis to abuse and kill them. And today (according to liberals) babies are not real people... until they manage to get outside of the womb, then they magically become real people. So the little guber better hurry to get outta there, before someone decides to kill him/her. Until he/she pops outta there, he/she is not a real person... according to liberals like you.

Artful Dodger: "The Civil War was so long ago I don't even remember it happening."

I wouldn't be surprised if some people are still fighting that war. "The war is over great great grandpa, and I don't even know why I'm talking to you about it because you died a long time ago."

There are times I feel like I'm talking to people who believe brains are fertilizer for their hair. One day when I was walking to work a white racist stopped to talk to me, and he assumed I would agree with him because we are both white. Then half a block down the street from him a black guy stops me to complain about me enslaving his people. At that point I coudn't take it anymore, so I told him that I freed all of my slaves over 15 years ago and got them all jobs at the buggy whip factory... he thought I was just as insane as the white guy thought I was for not agreeing with him.

Iamon lyme: well said

Iamon lyme: Guys like Sharpton and Jackson have to keep the slave complaint alive or else they are out of a job.

Do NOT mess with the Conservative Squirrel

He thinks they are all nuts!

The Conservative Squirrel will EAT YOU FOR LUNCH!

Übergeek 바둑이: I suspect you will want to come back to complain that I didn't answer your question... here was your question:

"If you are a person who supported any of these wars, do you have blood in your hands? Is believing in war different from believing in abortion?"

If you want to draw comparisons between war and abortion you are not helping the pro abortionist argument. Wars are usually fought for one of two reasons. Depending on which side you are looking at, wars are fought to get something or to defend something. Sometimes both sides are aggressors who are out to get something, but you'll never see two defenders going at it... why would they?

If I ever support a war effort, then that support would fall to the defenders side. Anything wrong with that? If so, then according to you the little girl who killed two guys breaking into her home has blood on her hands too.

And since you are comparing abortion to war then let me ask you who you believe the aggressor is. Is it the baby, or the adult(s)? What are adults who kill babies defending, their right to not take care of a defenseless little person, or maybe the abortionist's right to earn a living?

Adults can defend themselves if they need to. Babies can't. If you can convince me that babies are not completely defenseless and have done something (anything) to deserve being killed, then you might have a valid argument.

Artful Dodger: LOL You know, there could be someone at this board who believes there really are soldier squirrels... and is now covering his most precious possession with both hands.

Typing is hard enough using only one finger, but how is he supposed to type any messages now?. With his nose?

Iamon lyme: The squirrel knows - it's with his toes.

http://mittromneycentral.com/2012/09/27/must-see-videos-paid-protesters-at-romney-event-admit-obama-will-give-them-a-free-phone-if-they-vote-for-him/

By the way, NICE TEETH

total months that the unemployment level was above 8% from 1948 to 2008 (40 years) = 38
Total months that the unemployment level was above 8% during the Obama administration (45 months)= 43 months

I don't care what anyone says, I think she's a cutie.

Iamon lyme: Ugh. Okay, maybe not so much... what was I thinking?

Vikings: that lady reminds me of this lady: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ-E4bvrA1U

Artful Dodger: Flip Wilson is prettier

Vikings: true

Iamon lyme:

Iamon lyme: lol.. that sign is EXACTLY the truth though