The Col: White teeth speak with forked tongue?

(V): Whatever it takes to seal the deal.He is dependant on most voters not paying attention, and most don't keep track of his constant contradictions, so he has a helluva chance to pull this off

The Col: We are luckier in the UK, we have rights when it comes to pure bull at election time.. American style razzle dazzle that Maggie imported only took slightly.

(V): It doesn't work here in Canada either, but that's not to say we are any smarter in who we vote into office.Just less glitz and glam during elections.I still say 10% of each dollar spent on Federal election advertising should go towards the deficit.

Rev Al versus Ann Coulter

or.. how loud and incoherent doesn't work.

The Col: I think 10% of all election advertising and 10% of all lobbying monies.

(V): Outlaw lobbying(as we know it) entirely, elected officials with voting power should be beyond reproach.

The Col: It'd be nice.. It might even bring a price cut nationally considering how much is spent in bribes.. *cough* sorry, lobbying each year.

.. Our UK government has just had a £40 million lesson in bad tendering. A look good on the books won tender regarding the West Coast rail franchise was likely to expose the UK to a loss, if the companies who set up the train operating company were not setting the franchise enough capital to cover going bust.

The tendering now needs to be repeated!!

(V): The public are foolish if they think the top campaign donators aren't paid back through being awarded contracts and such, it happens on both sides.The new law where PACs don't need to disclose contributions is insane.I work in a business that requires sponsors,while I try and ignore it,the interests of these sponsors are not totally out of mind in reqards to issues that arise.

Iamon lyme: There are so many reliable sources that one has to wonder why someone would quote wiki as a primary source.

Artful Dodger: [ ...one has to wonder why someone would quote wiki as a primary source. ]

One reason is whenever someone does a google search wiki almost always pops up at or near the top of the list, so it's an easy source to access. I've used wiki but only after reading the information first. Sometimes it's okay, and sometimes it's like you said... slanted.

When wiki first started up it was hailed as "the peoples" source, because almost anyone could contribute to it. A few years ago it was so easy to do that almost anyone could submit info (that made it into the data base) as long as it looked legit, or looked scholarly. It didn't take much to get past the gatekeepers and they didn't have time to verify everything coming in... and they weren't exactly the scholarly types anyway, if you know what I mean. I still get a kick out of some of the things I read there, because sometimes it will read like a poorly written college paper.


...and I'm being charitable when I say "college".

Iamon lyme: I've read a wiki page or two when I needed some quick info. It's a place to start but I always check several other sources too. If it's a political site, I try to avoid it if it's clear that it's presenting a one sided view (like Huffington Post and the Daily Kos). I laugh at my liberal friends who quote those publications to me. I pull out Rush Limbaugh and ask them if they'd accept hims as a source. They say no. Then why I ask, would I accept those other two outfits from them? No answer. Then there's the clowns that quote Rachel Maddow (Rachael MadCow). She's another "reliable" source for biased left-wing propaganda. ;)

October 09, 2012

Obama Supporters Becoming More Unhinged As Romney Popularity Surges

Obama supporters have taken to Twitter to boast about "civil unrest" in light of new polls showing Romney with a commanding lead. Among their most proud moments:

• Tweetdowns* (verbal beatdowns aimed at dissenting voices, usually reserved for celebrities who tweet support for Romney)
  
  
• Threatening riots if Romney wins
  
  
• TWAT-ing* conservative users (A variant of SWAT-ing
  - Faking retweets to make it appear the original tweeter made a death
  threat against the President and then sending retweet to @SecretService)
  
  
• Poo Attacks

Unhinged, violent, immature, and disgusting. All rolled up into Obama supporters.

Artful Dodger: An eye opener for me was when someone told me she didn't like what Rush had to say, then immediately "qualified" that statement by saying she never listened to him. This was about 20 or so years ago, but I remember it very clearly. I was too stunned to ask her the obvious question... if she never listened to him, then how could she know that she didn't agree with him?

The reason it was an eye opener for me is because Rush was always telling his listeners that liberals disagree with him but never listen to his show. At that time I believed most of what he said, but at the same time I also believed some of his claims were greatly exaggerated. Since then I've discovered he doesn't exaggerate at all, about anything. Anything he has said about the liberal mindset has proven to be true.

I'm not calling her a liar, but she nearly quoted him word for word... a pretty neat trick for someone who never heard him say that. The truth of the matter is she really did not listen to his show, so she obviously got her information about him from other sources... and somewhere in that strange chain of information sharing there had to have been someone who actually listened to him, because otherwise how could any of them know they didn't agree with him? It sounds just as bizarre to me now as it did then. So never mind Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny or any other made up fantasy... as far as fantasies go they don't compare to the inner workings of the mind of liberal "realists". LoL

Artful Dodger: [ Unhinged, violent, immature, and disgusting. All rolled up into Obama supporters. ]

This has been true in my state for a long time. It's just as liberal as the state you live in, so you know what I'm talking about. In the city where I live, anyone with a bumper sticker or yard sign showing support for a Republican candidate can expect to have his privacy or property rights violated. I'm not kidding or complaining, it's just a fact of life. And the fact is you don't have to live on the wrong side of town to be a target.

I've never put up a yard sign or put a bumper sticker on my car, and for good reason. I knew someone whose car windows were broken out. It was the only car hit by vandalism on a street full of parked cars, and the only car with a bumper sticker in favor of a Republican candidate. I happened the same year Gore was running against Bush. I also don't get into political debates with anyone who knows where I live, I just explain to them why in this country we support the idea of a secret ballot. Most of the time they don't know what I mean, or why there should be any reason for a secret ballot. They would if they were Republicans.

Iamon lyme:I've heard that same line. The "he lies" line is always followed by, "What did he lie about exactly?" Followed by silence and then, "Everything!"   So convincing.  

Iamon lyme:what you do is get a bunch of Romney bumper stickers. Then put them on your neighbors cars etc., and watch the fun. 

Artful Dodger: [ The "he lies" line is always followed by, "What did he lie about exactly?" ]

Well, no wonder liberals don't agree with you, you keep breaking their cardinal rules!

2 Kennedy 4: 9-11 "But to thou it shall be as sacrilege, the questioning of reason or motive; let there be questioning upon those whom we do not agree, even to not listening; but nevertheless disagreement must follow them all the days of their lives."

"Happy is he who questioneth not himself; and be not sorely vexed laying in wait to crack open coconut heads of vain knowledge, that sayeth nothing yet spilleth the milk thereof upon the ground."

The Col: Of course they are. How else did for years our building firms manage to fix prices for years on many big public construction projects... It's the size of the bribes that has changed, just like the size of footballers salary has over here. It's gone to a level where the public say.. "tradition be damned".. at least here to some degree.

"I work in a business that requires sponsors,while I try and ignore it,the interests of these sponsors are not totally out of mind in reqards to issues that arise."

Of course, it's a partnership. Your giving them good advertising, but at the same time is it the type they want!

...Ok that's a basic look, but you know what I mean.

Like the source that says WWII was started by the Democrats?

Iamon lyme:

Jules, must you be constantly schooled? Wiki may have some things right. It's just as a main source they aren't reliable. Everyone (except you apparently) knows that. Get current.

Artful Dodger: Dan... If your 'scholarly' sources state that the democrats started WWII... well. Seeing as wiki actually gets that right, I'd believe it over anything you can produce to back up such a statement. I'd also believe the history lessons I got taught at school, the Discovery channel, the History channel and the other 99.999999% of the world who KNOW it was NOT the Democrats.

Do you seriously believe what you posted? If you do, then there is little hope for you.. I'll make sure you get to choose the colour of your jacket this time!!

Wiki is not a scholarly source. You need to deal with that at your next appointment.

mckinley: No, just Art slams everything that doesn't support his ideology, I wouldn't mind it so much if he backed it up, but mostly it's just waffle that is meaningless over 'integrity'... zzzzzz zzzzzzz zzzzzz

Artful Dodger: At the Dentist?? Steve Martin is replacing ... ... ...

Your sources are less reliable, so drop wiki as a point to fight over. It's really dumb.

mckinley: Apparently, depending on the day of the week, you can't read any better than Jules. I said wiki is unreliable. I've explained why and I'm right. Jules wants to hold on to wiki as a source because he uses it so much to prove his biased points. That's what cherry pickers do.

Look up Christ myth theory from Wikipedia. You can read how many believe that Jesus wasn't even a historical figure or at least it can't be proven historically (no documented evidence).

Daniel, is this it for the next week.. wiki?? zzzzzzz zzzzzz

First it was google... now it's wiki.. is it next ... .... ... the internet?!!?

Wiki is a socially edited database source for information. As socially edited database, some, if not much, of what's written is suspect. As a main source for information, people ought to look elsewhere.

Here's a great article that supports my thesis: "Wikipedia is gaining an increasingly bad reputation in schools all over the world. Teachers will argue that Wikipedia is not a reliable source with credibility to be cited in a formal essay or term paper. Teachers believe that due to the multitude of anonymous updates, there is not enough reliable information to base ideas upon. Even if Wikipedia can detect obvious errors such as in the Einstein page case (mentioned earlier), there is no way that it can monitor every single error. "

"In my opinion, Wikipedia is acceptable to a certain extent. I do not believe that it is a “scholarly” source of information in context. There are many sources on the Internet with much more reliable information."

http://itgsonline.com/?p=224

And this rather sums it all up nicely: http://library.williams.edu/citing/wikipedia.php

Now Jules, any further disagreement on the matter will be ignored. I've have proven I am right and you are out to lunch on this one. Deal with it and move on.

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So respectable is this religion of peace: October 10, 2012
Malala Yousafzai Survives Surgery Taliban Vow to Finish Her

BBC:

Surgeons have removed a bullet from the head of a 14-year-old girl, a day after she was shot by Taliban gunmen in north-western Pakistan's Swat Valley.

Malala Yousafzai, a campaigner for girls' rights, is reported to be in a stable condition after the operation.

The attack sparked outrage among many Pakistanis, who gathered in several cities for anti-Taliban protests and held prayers for the girl's recovery.

The militants said they targeted her because she "promoted secularism".

A spokesman for the Islamist militant group, Ehsanullah Ehsan, told BBC Urdu on Tuesday that Miss Yousafzai would not be spared if she survived.

Artful Dodger: All you've done is gone from discussing racism and the Southern strategy... to you YET AGAIN complaining that YET ANOTHER information resource is anti american conservative or doesn't know what it's about.

..... It was called "the southern strategy," started under Richard M. Nixon in 1968, and described Republican efforts to use race as a wedge issue -- on matters such as desegregation and busing -- to appeal to white southern voters.

Ken Mehlman, the Republican National Committee chairman, this morning will tell the NAACP national convention in Milwaukee that it was "wrong."

"By the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out," Mehlman says in his prepared text. "Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071302342.html

>>>> I can find you 100's of articles from 100's of various organisations...

But they will all be wrong as Art says so... For Denial said so, so it must be.

... Just like his source who says WWI was started by Liberals...Just like Jesus never healed or encouraged people to heal others regardless.

... Conservatism says no... It's all wrong, and only our opinion counts.
 
It's far better just to focus on wiki.. change the subject

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

you're boring me again

Artful Dodger: [ AD - 1 (V) - 0 ]

I suspected wiki was something of a sacred cow for left leaning lazy liberal just add water and presto you are all now all ersatz cut and paste scholars, but I wasn't expecting the kind of reaction you got. Now I'll be going to wiki to confirm my understanding of the word 'ersatz', just to make sure of what I just said...

And sure enough, I enter the word 'ersatz' and Wikipedia shows up at the top of my google list. I have nothing against easy sleazy acamedia bottom feeding pursuits, but sometimes I want to make sure I'm not being fed bias tainted info.

Iamon lyme: Well said. Wiki is good as far as it goes - which isn't very far.

(V): [ Ok.. I'll see if I can get this answered .. one more time... Like the source that says WWII was started by the Democrats? Please.. Please explain how your scholarly sources explain that shift in written history... Art. ]

Where is it? I can't find it. What source makes that claim?

And if Art doesn't answer you, so what? You were the one who said...

[ Because no-one on this board is obliged to answer any question if they choose not to. The moderators say that is everyone's right... something like freedom or some weird concept like it!! ]

Nevertheless, if Art said Democrats started WWII, or quoted a source that makes that claim, then I would like to see some proof of that.

By the way, if he is saying a Democrat president made the decision to enter the war, that's not the same as saying the Democrats started the war. I'm assuming you know the difference.

Iamon lyme: Of course you are right. As per his usual, Jules twists and lies about what's being said. That's the only way he can "win" an argument in his alleged mind. And thanks for pointing out his double standard. He ignores questions he doesn't want to answer but complains if he's ignored. I only ignore him when he's boring - which is most of the time. .

Iamon lyme: "acamedia"? What is acamedia? Did I mean to say academia? Is acamedia even a word? It kind of looks like a word, like maybe it has something to do with media based knowledge... ? I don't know.

Why am I asking so many questions if I'm only talking to myself? Will I answer myself, or will I ignore my own question? If I don't answer myself by tomorrow morning I'll pester myself until I get a response, and I can keep it up all week if I have to so please, SOMEBODY STOP ME!!!!

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Iamon lyme: lay off the caffeine at night!

And fart more. It will release the pressure.

Artful Dodger: The caffeine helps me to relax so that I can go to sleep. It's true, I'm not kidding. And increased relaxation helps me to fart more, although I'm not sure that has anything to do with sleeping better unless.... aromatherapy?

Artful Dodger: Oh good grief, I just now found out what the big deal was. Your point was to show that every war we've entered into over the past 100 years has been when a Democrat president has been in office.

Since going to war is always intitiated by an executive order given by the President of The United States of America, and every president over the past 100 years who has initiated such an order has been a Democrat, then that should settle the question of which party is the party of war.

Singling out Republicans as the party of war is a ridiculous enough lie to begin with, but it's even more ridiculous because wars don't just wait around for a particular party to be in power before they decide to happen. So essentially what we've been hearing from Democrats about how they are the party of peace is not just a crock of you know what, it's a double crock. But hey, if they don't want credit for helping to defeat Hitler or for bringing the war with Japan to an early end, then I'm all for giving the Republicans credit for that. Now watch as they get defensive and say, "Hell no, we did that!"

[]_ [[]] []_ to the tenth power... can you hear me laughing now?

Iamon lyme: or effective bug spray

Iamon lyme: They are the part of racism and the party of war AND the party of "blame the other guy."

A Syrian-bound plane intercepted by Turkey was carrying Russian-made defence equipment destined for Syria's defence ministry, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said.

"Passenger aircraft cannot carry ammunition and defence equipment," Mr Erdogan said, adding, "unfortunately there was such equipment on board". Turkish jets forced the plane, coming from Moscow, to land in Ankara.

Syria and Russia have denied the plane was carrying illegal cargo. They have accused Turkey of putting lives in danger.

The Syrian Air Airbus A320, with about 30 passengers on board, was intercepted on Wednesday evening by two Turkish fighters and escorted to the capital's Esenboga airport. Turkey said previously it had received an intelligence tip-off that it had illegal cargo on board.

Speaking to reporters in Ankara, Mr Erdogan said: "This was equipment and ammunition that was being sent from a Russian agency... to the Syrian Defence Ministry."

"Their examination is continuing and the necessary will follow," he added. He said the supplier was the equivalent of Turkey's state-run arms supplier, the Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation.

Russia's state arms export agency Rosoboronexport had earlier said it had no information about the plane's cargo and denied it had any connection with the flight or anything on board.

Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has said Turkey is determined to stop any transfer of weapons to Syria through its airspace.