Artful Dodger: If abortion had already been legal long before the effort was made to make it legal, I wonder how many pro-abortion advocates would not exist because someone decided it would be more convenient to not let them live beyond the womb? I've posed that question before, and was somewhat surprised by the response.

The response is almost always the same: It didn't matter to them if they were born or not, they still believed it was okay to arbitrarily end the life of a child, just so long as that child was too young to know anything.

Yeah, right... more like as long as that child was too young to defend itself or complain about it. Their response was meaningless, because the people to whom I posed the question already knew their existence was safe and always had been.

Liberals lack all of the virtues they want us to believe they extol, and chief among those virtues is empathy. They feel nothing for the people they victimize, and expect nothing but praise for their efforts.

mckinley: Well it beats trying to win in Afghanistan. No one ever has, and without using WMD's (aka nukes)... no-one ever will.

mckinley: They can't do anything that's why. To ban abortion would be as such recreating the times when women were second class citizens with no real vote or say in their lives. The rich who want an abortion will find a good private doctor, or go abroad.. the poor well, they don't count we've been told by Romney and by people here on this board.

US is equal bottom with Mexico on child deaths from maltreatment. It has the worst record in the industrialised world regarding child abuse. Part of the problem is this idea of keeping families together no matter what that is advocated by certain parties.

No one likes abortion, but that does not mean others have the right to send it back into the back street era.

mckinley: For what purpose would he keep it going? Distraction?? If the economy gets bad they can just occupy the front pages with more brave men and women dying in a foreign field figures and pictures!

mckinley: Well... all those arms companies in the USA are reliant wars..... rednecks, doomsday preppers!!

mckinley: The conservatives ARE doing something about it. But the liberals LOVE to keep the culture of death active. They are willing to allow the unborn to be killed just for votes.

mckinley: Nonsense. Give a concrete example. Biden is a buffoon.

mckinley: Killing of unborn babies is against Obama and Biden's PERSONAL beliefs but they are ok if OTHERS do the killing?

Yeah, I'm personally opposed to the lynching of blacks but.....

Yeah, I'm personally opposed to the killing of Jews but......

(V): You buy that? I don't, just a strawman he created.

The Col: Nooooo, just an excuse... like using God, or babies. If the American conservative Christians were as being 'stated', then the mess of Agent Orange would have been cleared up decades ago.

They'd have marched on Washington!

mckinley: [ It's ok to kill criminals when you aren't to judge? I'm against all killing. ]

Why do you assume I'm okay with any killing? If I'm against the killing of innocents, then you assume I'm okay with war or any other thing poeple do that causes death and destruction. It's a phony argument where you pretend to speak for both sides. It's called a straw man argument, but I suspect you already know that. I don't assume any of you who do this are stupid or ill informed simply because you attempt to cheat in arguments on a message board.

But if you insist on making this kind of assumption then fine, I can do the same about any of you. I could make the same assumption about anyone who thinks abortion is okay, and if I did my assumption would have more merit... Because if you don't have a problem with killing the weakest and most innocent of humans, then why should I assume you wouldn't have a problem with anyone else being killed? If you are unfaithful in a small matter (small to you perhaps) then you will be unfaithful in larger matters. Jesus said that in a different way, but you are free to ignore him whenever it doesn't suit you.

Iamon lyme: Why do you think that of others?

Mote comes to mind

(V): Very well, you did not answer so I will ask again...

Do you approve of chain saws?


[ Mote comes to mind ]

Very good, that's an improvement. Anything else getting in up there?

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An excuse or a strawman... still trying to figure out what that means.

What could my being a former liberal Democrat be used as an excuse for? And in what universe can building a false persona (a strawman of myself, really?) help anyone's argument? Does it really matter to anyone here who I am or what I was?

I was a liberal Democrat for a relatively short time, considering how old I am now. I married a liberal Democrat, and she came a family of like minded thinkers, so you can imagine how they all felt about an acceptable atheist/liberal/Democrat inlaw becoming a Christian/conservative/Republican inlaw.

It didn't just happen over night, my views gradually changed over a 30 to 40 year period of time. And it's not an excuse for anything, or a straw man argument for persuading anyone, it's just a fact. Granted, it has nothing to do with anything I might say about abortion or politics, or the politics of abortion... I'm just letting ya'll know where I came from and where I am now.

No one is born a Democrat or a Republican, just like no is born an atheist or a believer in God simply because of genetics or family connections. Some people make life decisions based on what their family and friends believe, and I did as well, but I changed my mind.

I am only me. Remove the spaces and it reads Iamonlyme. Then add a space and you have Iamon lyme. See? That's who I am.

Artful Dodger: Oh good, something to look at that hasn't anything to do with me... me me me me me me me me me me... ack, I'm started to sound like a narcissist, and it's making me sick. Ack, ack, patuey... it's like eating nothing but sugar... ack...

Artful Dodger: I don't know if my eyes have gone bad, or maybe something is wrong with my screen, but those little round cheerleaders look like they all have five o'clock shadows. It's kind of a turn off, if you know what I mean.

Iamon lyme: they cheerleaders are transvestites

Artful Dodger: Libyas leader apologized and said the attack was planned. He even contradicted Obama (well shame on him) by saying it had nothing to do with the video. It's interesting that Libyas leader knew why it happened to OUR ambassador while OUR president apparently doesn't have a clue, and thinks it happened because of some youtube video.

A request for extra security was turned down shortly before it happened, but apparently no one in Obamas administration knew about that. Not even Hiliary, and it's her job to deal with things like that. With this president it's not "What did he know and when did he know it?", but if you can believe the narrative coming from Obama's own mouth then apparently it's "What did he not know and when did he not know it?"

Who in their right mind was expecting nothing to happen on the anniversary of 9/11? It means more to the terrorists than it does for many of us, so of course they were planning to do something. Even if Osama had not been taken out, expecting nothing to happen is insane.

Seriously, was the timing of the attack just a coincidence?

Iamon lyme: the administration lied and now obummer is trying to blame Hillary.

Artful Dodger: [ the cheerleaders are transvestites ]

What about those other ones? Are those bananas or are they just happy to see me?

Artful Dodger: Seriously? He wants to toss Hillary under the bus now? I can't keep up with all of these new developments... and it keeps getting weirder as it goes along.

Iamon lyme: well they are blaming her department now. It's always the fault of someone else.

Iamon lyme: Which type? I approve of a certain body we have here called "trading standards", guarantee, contract, contract as laid down in statutes of law that are statuary, and the magic roundabout... as well as responsibility not to use one if you don't know how..

... seeing videos of men cutting trees down wrong, seeing guys on "Watchdog" use the wrong chain saw for a job.. I've seen.

All this comes to mind when as a customer you enter into a shop to buy a chainsaw. Contract law starts at the point of sale, as does it for the shop owner when buying it from the manufacturer.

This is the UK... not the US with multi million dollar pay outs. This is how our law sees it.

Five Royal Marines have been charged with murder over an incident in Afghanistan in 2011, the MoD has said. It says nine marines were arrested over the incident, involving an insurgent. Four have been released without charge.

The five charged remain in custody, and the next stage of the process is likely to be trial by court martial. The marines were arrested by the Royal Military Police after suspicious video footage was found on a serviceman's laptop by civilian police in the UK.

The charges are related to an incident in Afghanistan last year, when Royal Marine 3 Commando Brigade was based in Helmand. The MoD previously said the incident followed an "engagement with an insurgent" and no civilians were involved. It is believed to be the first time UK servicemen have been arrested and charged with such charges during the Afghanistan conflict.

The Service Prosecuting Authority (SPA), an independent body that conducts prosecutions on behalf of the military, decided the five should face murder charges. Speaking on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show, Defence Secretary Philip Hammond did not comment on the specifics of the case but insisted the MoD was "determined that rules of engagement" be followed.

He added: "Everybody serving in theatre knows the rules of engagement, they carry cards in their uniforms with the rules on them in case they should need to remind themselves." During a six-month tour of duty, which lasted from April to October last year, seven servicemen from 3 Commando Brigade were killed in action, all from 42 Commando.

A court martial is a public court with similar powers to a crown court. It can impose prison sentences, fines or other forms of justice depending upon the nature of the crime. They are presided over by a judge advocate and a board of up to seven lay members, individuals with no legal training much like a jury in civilian courts.

The MoD said it would be inappropriate to comment further on the ongoing investigation.

(V): I prefer a Stihl 290 myself! lol
http://www.stihlusa.com/products/chain-saws/farm-and-ranch-saws/ms290/

Bwild: Looks nice. Band saw works for me!!.. plus me fretsaw and jigsaw.

Bwild: I bought my first chain saw last year. My friends wouldn't let me use it until they trained me on how to use it. They were afraid for my limbs! lol. It's fun to use except for the blood splatter.

A (former) friend of my is once again going on and on about global warming and the exponential rise in climate change. "Warning Will Robinson!!!" Pure junk. He states that no one should vote for anyone who isn't committed to taking care of our planet. "Taking care of our planet" is of course defined by him and others of his ilk. My response to his nonsense is spot on, as usual.

I've always believed that "global warming" and the ubiquitous warnings surrounding its dangers, are mostly hype and at least in part based on junk science. Climate change is not occurring exponentially no matter how many "scientific" reports you cite. The fact is, there hasn't been a warming trend for 16 years. The climate change bubble burst a while ago but there are a few diehards holding on. That is not to say we shouldn't take care of our planet. We should. But I'd rather read that NO ONE has ANY business voting for ANYONE who is not committed to saving the lives of the unborn. This to me is a real issue and so called global warming is not.

... Reliable food production needs reliable weather.

.. any droughts or floods this year anyone? Food prices rising through grain and other items harvest being low? Allotments flooded, tomatoes not ripe?

Guess yet another strange summer isn't having floods here in the UK, houses and roads washed away isn't strange.. as it's becoming more common.

(V): "any droughts or floods this year anyone? Food prices rising through grain and other items harvest being low? Allotments flooded, tomatoes not ripe?"
weather is always an issue for farmers..they deal with most of it. what they cant deal with is the rising cost of fuel.
we had our worst drought in 50 years here...but guess what...gardens didnt suffer much..corn fields did..but wine production will have a bonus year.

Artful Dodger: Check out this global warming clip. You won't be disappointed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq4Bc2WCsdE

Iamon lyme: cartoon characters are much smarter than your average liberal

For those irresponsible planet killers among you who have put off paying their carbon offset bills, it's not too late to start flushing some of your hard earned money down the toilet.

By the way, a carbon credit debt can include CO2 emissions from your chain saw, if you own one. Also, we've received reports of heavy breathing coming from Bill Clintons home so anyone with information about this is encouraged to spy on him and report any information they find to a local or national Carbon Credit Authority Board of Inquiry representative.


Thank you for you continuing dunce diligence.

...continuing "due" dilligence... where'd the 'nc' come from? I didn't type that. Bush is up to his old tricks again, I see.

Bwild: At the moment we are having a string of 'abnormal' weather. Dry winter. hot spring, wet summer.

.. Fuel luckily is cheaper for farmers, dyed red as normal drivers can't use it to stop theft.

"we had our worst drought in 50 years here...but guess what...gardens didnt suffer much..corn fields did..but wine production will have a bonus year."

Yeah I saw on the news.. bloody jet stream was out of position. You got our sun, we got your rain. N' others rain as well, one months worth in 24 hours in several places last week.

.... maybe we can export some if we keep getting it.