(V): you have misinterpreted again.....I wasn't querying the "going home", I was asking you how did you know he was going to be watching football?

Each report I have read (english reports) have said he was a chronic alco and living in a homeless shelter....if your press can't report correctly, not my problem.

Yes I have read he was a newspaper seller....over here young boys of about 12-16 years old sell newspapers .....was he working in a shop? or standing on a street corner?

Your report says he was confronted by lines of riot police....to me (looking at the vid) he actually walked into them. He appeared to be nowhere near the main group of demonstrators.

The english are world reknown for their "want" to demonstrate at the drop of a hat.....they even travel in large groups to football matches both home and overseas.

Bernice: We have the right to demonstrate, that's not "rent a crowd", it's using our democratic right to protest. Millions went to London over the Iraq war.

As for football matches.. of course, people all over the world travel to watch matches abroad in many sports.. Some even go to the Olympics

He was a Millwall fan, he finished work at 7pm. He worked from a stall who his friend as an Evening Standard Vendor ran. He himself was an official vendor, but then went to helping other vendors.around Monument Station.

Read our papers, do a google.. but if you use google, make sure your search parameters are good.

"ian tomlinson route home" is the one I used.

(V): smart ----. I used "Ian Tomlinson" with quotes.

There is no use asking you questions.

WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA HE WAS GOING HOME TO WATCH FOOTBALL.............so he was a Millwall fan.....how did you know he was going home to watch footy?

Just answer the question.

I used your "search parameters" and this is the only thing i got.....ONE result...

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so he was going home or he is a homeless alcoholic?

Czuch: the reports Ive read put him as a homeless alcoholic...(V) says he was going home, so I guess he could be going home to the Homeless shelter.....god who would know... lol

Bernice: From his family.

As for your search results... maybe you should try the UK google aka google.co.uk

.... UK might not be quite to the 70% tax level like some other socialist countries, but it seems it is soon to be 50%

What happens after it eventually hits 100%

You can t take more than that, so you have to cut spending, and when that happens, then people earn less money, meaning less in the coffers, so cut more spending....

I just dont see how socialism can sustain itself over a long period of time

Czuch: were broke yet we keep borrowing with the goverment claiming they will buy our way out of the mess theyve gotten into http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/96627


the top earners will once again be moving overseas so has not to pay

i dont know much about the ins and outs but has a normal person in the UK i know how much im hurting has week after week my normal shopping bag of food increases by over £1 a week

my savings get hardly anything in interest
the sooner we have a general election the better

Czuch: Czuch.. that's for pay over £150,000. Which affects about 1% of the population.

Snoopy: For a lot of big earners that is not possible. EG Council CEO's. Also as you know there is a clamp down going on over using off shore accounts.

(V): Which affects about 1% of the population.

The most important 1%

How much of the gross income comes from that top 1%? I bet it is way more than 1% of the gross wages?

Do you think if I have a painting company that has made 140k this year and it is november, will I just take the month of December off for holiday, or will I continue to work and make more than the 150k that puts me in the 50% bracket?

Snoopy: were broke yet we keep borrowing with the goverment claiming they will buy our way out of the mess theyve gotten into


thats what we are trying to do over here right now....

Probably will feel good for a couple of years as well.... if somebody printed a million dollars for me right now, I could sure spend my way out of my problems for awhile too

Czuch: The Most important 1%!!! Really.. Mmmmmm So, those who do service jobs like take your rubbish away, keep your hospitals clean, the police, nurses, plumbers, etc. are not just as important?

Without these people, those top 1% earners would not be able to earn that money as the structure of the country is dependent on all services and workers. I mean.. that 1% is reliant on the companies workers to earn money.

And you really don't seem to know accounts, if a company makes 150,000 then that is not the wages the boss makes. All costs, etc are deducted as per Balance sheets and Profit and Loss statements.

And it is normal with good business to put some by to build up a reserve for future expansion, or to aim towards investment in the current business structure.

(V): The Most important 1%!!! Really..



Well, for a society that relies on wealth redistribution, take from the rich to give to the poor, the rich are the most important people, your socialism falls flat without the top 1% wage earners



You just get too literal sometimes.... I was just trying to make a point.... lets say this painting company is a self employed business and you are the only employee, or forget the painter.... but isnt it better to make 140k at a lower tax rate than to make 150k and get taxed down to 75k?

(V): Question... do your wealthy ever get tax cuts??? I mean, when the economy is bad they get hit with a higher rate, do their rates come down when the economy is going along good?

My guess is the answer to that one is a big fat NO!

If thats true, then their taxes can only continue to be raised, maybe slowly, but over 100 years, or 200 years, where will they be then? Point is, that somewhere along the line you have taxed everyone to the max, you simply cannot tax someone more than they earn..... what happens then?

How do you grow an economy that relies on wealth redistribution, after the point where it costs more to sustain than there is money available to redistribute?

Czuch: You still don't get it do you Wages over £150K are taxed at 50%, anything below that is not taxed at 50% but at the rate for wages under £150K.

Ok,... clear??

As for 100-200 years ahead.. are you that much of a pessimist?

(V): not sure where I said anything to lead you to a different conclusion????

My point is, who takes home more money, you make 151k and I make 149k, me or you?

As for 100-200 years ahead.. are you that much of a pessimist?

No I am a realist.... you dont seem to mind when it comes to global warming, how what we do today will effect us in 200 years.... so why dont you care how raising taxes year after year now will effect your country in 200 years?

BTW.... only 1% of your population makes more than 150k per year????

Czuch: No he's not

heavenlyemma: That was his quote, asking me, not mine asking him....

Czuch: me...by just a few 100 or maybe a K.

Czuch, the measures are temporary. Saying tax rates will keep rising is not reality, and if you looked at how politics work and that governments change.. then to be realistic you'd have to say that there is a very good chance this new tax level may drop, or at least stay stable. Statistically in 200 years, anything we do now re taxes will have little effect then.

As for Global warming, I'm not looking 1-200 years in the future, I'm looking at what will my kids inherit as a world? We don't own this world, we are borrowing it from our descendants.

To be a realist, you have to understand, economics and various other subjects.. And I'm afraid, you saying someone will lose £75k when they get to the £150k wages mark says you don't understand, or, at the least, understand our country's taxation system.

.. Or are plain exaggerating

(V): Well, I already asked you if taxes on the most wealthy in your country ever go down when the economy is good for example? You never answered that one....

So also explain to me? When you say someone who makes 150k per year gets taxed at 50%, then how much taxes will the government take from them???

Czuch: I did say about taxes going down, and I did explain our taxation system sufficiently to give you an understanding.

And yet you are still not listening. So I ain't typing and wearing my fingers down any more.

(V): yes very temporary has the lastest news is that 27th Febuary 2032 will be the date that we actually get back to before all this mess started

thats another 23 years of being taxed to the hilt or am i missing something

Snoopy: There is only a possibility. Governments change and all the rest of the variables. Known or unknown.

Czuch: Oh I am sorry, must clout Jules round head

(V): Okay Jules.... so 50% tax rate does not take 50% of your pay in taxes???

...and sorry, i dont remember it.... say again.... your tax rate on the wealthy 1% has gone down in good economic times?

so it looks like you guys get your first 6k without any income taxes.... then up to 35k or so after the first 6k at 20%.... then anyone who makes up to 150k get 40% and anyone over 150k will now get 50% tax rate?


But you still havent answered how much I will have left after taxes on income if I made 150k????

Czuch: Work it out yourself, use a calculator... but seeing as there are other variables.. you'd still not be accurate.

Czuch: we get our first $9828 tax free......I dont have the exact tables in front of me....but if you earn $1000 per week your taxation is only about $190 per week taxes.

I can get a copy if you wish....I dont really have a lot to do with taxation as such so cant really comment on australian taxes.

But obviously (v) knows it all when it comes to UK taxes so let him give you exact figures on income and taxes on specific figures :)

Bernice: I know enough that a general accurate figure for someone earning $150k is not possible. It's not just a factor of how much you earn, but if you have a family, savings, day care, etc, etc.

And I think Czuch is quite capable (I hope he is) of finding a tax calculation site for the UK.

(V): I know there are many variables in a tax situation... and I know that savings, for example, are taxed differently than wages....


my guess is that your version of the IRS doesnt consider income from a savings or from other dividend investments as part of the total when calculating if you earned more than 150k?

I know you like to keep things as complicated and convoluted as possible.... but lets keep it simple, just for me please....

lets say someone makes 150K in earnings, he is single with no kids, he has no other income or any types of deductions... just plain simple 150k a year salary, okay????

Now is he or is he not going to pay 50% of that in taxes???? and if he is going to, doesnt that leave him with 75K net, after tax income????

Bernice: Thanks Bernice.....

Jules knows I am right, and he is trying to cloud this fact by being as non committal as possible right now....


but he knows that in my example, with two identical situations, one person makes 148k, and the other make 151k, the guy who made 148k will take home more after taxes than the guy who made 151k..... its simple really, he just doesnt want to admit it works out like that

Czuch: No.. No and NOOOOO. It's only £150k+ that he pays 50%. I thought that was very clear, I've explained it....

SEVERAL TIMES

Now, if you can't understand that simple fact of UK taxation.. then what is the point of me going further?

Now, who is better at knowing the UK taxation system? Someone who lives and has dealt with it, worked in UK accounts.... or, someone who can't be bothered to look up and study how our accounts work?

I hope you don't do your own accounts!!

(V): perhaps anything OVER 150K is taxed at 50 %?

(V): all you had to say is that anything over 150k gets taxed at thr 50% level.... make yourself clear mate.

because how the news words it, it is for anyone who earns more than 150k....


okay, so the first 6k or so is tax free, and then the next 36k or so is taxed at 20%, then up to 150k is taxed at 40%, and then anything over 150k is taxed at 50%... is that it?, I think I got it now......

Now I see why guys like your Bekham come play soccer over here..... you make 10 million over there and 5 million goes to the government......

Czuch: Nahhhh, you forgot management fees etc.

And you got part of it. There are many more variables that affect taxation.

(V): yeah, so the manager gets his 10% cut or 1 million and he gives 500k to the government, funny how free health care and education costs so much

Czuch: Less then your current system per head. And that's a fact!!

(V): less per head... Ive never been one to believe cheaper is better, you get what you pay for dont you know

I think in the long run, most things that are more expensive actually save you money just because of their durability... for example, you can end up buying 100 cheap pieces of hardware or just buy the good, more expensive ones in the first place


Point is, you get too hung up on cheap health care and education, you may end up with crappy health care and a second rate education.... you can keep your socialism, I havent seen any compelling argument that is the way for the US

Czuch: Czuch... you are forgetting that your health care is ranked 37th in the world, yet is one of the most expensive systems in the world.

It's called having an unregulated system, that's costing your countrymen a fortune for a system that doesn't work.

You guys are paying about 15%+ of your GDP compared to our 8% (approx) and we are ranked 18th in healthcare.

I think you ought to get your facts right and be realistic instead of making statements based on bad data and unresearched ideas.

GTCharlie: Written by someone who seems to have got his figures wrong.

Oh well, at least he has a day job

GTCharlie:

Thanks for the bit of help!

This news will, and maybe should be met cynically.The man wants to remain employed, but the impact is huge.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/28/specter.party.switch/

that the people in charge of things can do
this has got to be the worst stunt ever
what on earth were they thinking of

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/8022881.stm

Snoopy: it is called asking for trouble and when trouble strikes it is then called "asking for sympathy"

Snoopy: funny...news here claimed it was planned and city officials were notified