Tuesday: So Tuesday

You say that you're "against taking of life under any circumstance."

Like rape and incest?

Tuesday: You have a way of dodging all questions. I want to know if our view on abortion is consistent (mine is). If you are against abortion in all circumstances, then you MUST also be against abortion in situations of rape and incest.

Snoopy: yes and that wasn't from neglect either :( poor thing...but (V) will have an arguement against that because the UK is perfect according to him.....our health service is horrendous over here in ALL facets, not just dental...unless you go private you have just got to wait...a for instance that I know to be true....

Before my Vern died (about 5 years before) his eyes were deteriorating and he had cataracts that needed looking at...he was placed on a waiting list at the public hospital and died waiting:( there are still bloody great long waiting lists in most departments :(

Tuesday: No, actually I'm not dodging. You're just being dishonest. My view is simple and consistent.

Taking the life of an innocent human being is morally wrong.
Abortion takes the life of an innocent human being.
Therefore, abortion is morally wrong.
I oppose abortion on those grounds. ALL abortion save one. When the life of the mother is truly in danger, and an abortion is deemed medically necessary (to save the mother's life) then preforming an abortion would be morally justifiable. Mind you, a human life is still lost. It's still a sad occasion. But it's the only circumstance where abortion would be morally justified.

Tuesday: I already said that. And so are you. Or so you said.

Bernice: yes V will still insist that it isnt a postcode lottery on where you live on what services you get

anybody North of Watford Gap is a poor relation in this country compared to the London and the south of the country

Tuesday: Oh I'm being consistent. I'm about the only one in here that is. Ferris is clueless on this subject as is Dandy. In fact, there is not one proponent of abortion that can make a logical argument on their position without violating some law of logic. In the case of Ferris, his own arguments refutes itself. I love spotting those.

Tuesday: Really? So you respect the opinion of others?

Tuesday: So you respect the view that killing the unborn is morally justified.

Tuesday: We're talking about abortion at the moment. Stay on point.

"I hope none of us who want to see women's rights to have an abortion abridged in these cases never have to experience rape or incest themselves."

There is no logic in this statement. This is a failed attempt to suggest that the act of rape or incest itself justifies the taking of a human life. And it sets up a false position. Abortion opponents are not against women's rights, they are against the taking of an innocent unborn life.

This poster is not making an argument, he's making nonsense.

"Lets start by taking care of the babies that are already born. I've seen the results of children who are wards of the state at age 16-17 because they were never adopted or had a caregiver apart from the state. It isn't a pretty sight."

This is his argument to support abortion? never mind about the ones we kill, lets take care of the one that have been born.

ummm, how about both?

Tuesday: it's NOT the same point.

Tuesday: you're changing the subject and I won't go there with ya. You ignored this question:

So you respect the view that killing the unborn is morally justified?

Tuesday: no, we were talking about abortion and the fact that the democrats, YOUR party, approve of it (and even promote it). If you want to talk about this other unrelated subject, finish this one first.

Tuesday: Of course they approve and promote it. Are you blind? They vote in favor of abortion funding and procedures. And they vote in favor of providing funds for other countries to fund abortions (that's promotion). They advertise and speak publicly about abortion rights.

fight ya buggers I hate peace LOL....but can I ask.....haven't we had this argument before at least 4-5 times over the past 2-3 years?

OBAMA ABORTION AGENDA LAUNCHED TODAY WITH ORDER PROMOTING ABORTION IN
U.S. POPULATION-CONTROL PROGRAM

WASHINGTON – President Obama today signs an order that will put hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars into the hands of organizations that aggressively promote abortion as a population-control tool in the developing world.

Obama's order overturns the "Mexico City Policy," under which funds in the U.S. "population assistance" program go only to overseas organizations that pledge not to "perform or actively promote abortion as a method of family planning."

Douglas Johnson, legislative director for the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC), commented, "This is the first in an anticipated series of attacks on longstanding pro-life policies, as the new administration pushes Obama's sweeping abortion agenda. That agenda includes repeal of the Hyde Amendment, which would result in tax-funded abortion as a birth control method in the U.S., and imposition of sweeping pro-abortion mandates on private employers through health-care reform legislation.

"One effect of Obama's order will be to divert many millions of dollars away from groups that do not promote abortion, and into the hands of those organizations that are the most aggressive in promoting abortion in developing countries. President Obama not long ago told the American people that he would support policies to reduce abortions, but today he is effectively guaranteeing more abortions by funding groups that promote abortion as a method of population control."

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- New information obtained by a member of Congress makes it appear the Obama administration has spent $10 million potentially illegally promoting a pro-abortion constitution in Kenya. Obama officials were thought to have spent $2 million but Rep. Chris Smith says that figure could exceed $10 million.

Lobbying for or against abortion is prohibited under a provision of federal law known as the Siljander Amendment annually included in the State, Foreign Operations Appropriations Act.

Post-Election / Pre-Inauguration

November 5, 2008 - Obama selects pro-abortion Rep. Rahm Emanuel as his White House Chief of Staff. Emanuel has a 0% pro-life voting record according to National Right to Life.

November 19, 2008 - Obama picks pro-abortion former Sen. Tom Daschle as his Health and Human Services Secretary. Daschle has a long pro-abortion voting record according to National Right to Life.

November 20, 2008 - Obama chooses former NARAL legal director Dawn Johnsen to serve as a member of his Department of Justice Review Team. Later, he finalizes her appointment as the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of the Legal Counsel in the Obama administration.

November 24, 2008 - Obama appoints Ellen Moran, the former director of the pro-abortion group Emily's List as his White House communications director. Emily's List only supports candidates who favored taxpayer funded abortions and opposed a partial-birth abortion ban.

November 24, 2008 - Obama puts former Emily's List board member Melody Barnes in place as his director of the Domestic Policy Council.

November 30, 2008 - Obama named pro-abortion Sen. Hillary Clinton as the Secretary of State. Clinton has an unblemished pro-abortion voting record and has supported making unlimited abortions an international right.

December 10, 2008 - Obama selects pro-abortion former Clinton administration official Jeanne Lambrew to become the deputy director of the White House Office of Health Reform. Planned Parenthood is "excited" about the selection.

December 10, 2008 - Obama transition team publishes memo from dozens of pro-abortion groups listing their laundry list of pro-abortions actions they want him to take.

Pro-Abortion Presidential Record - 2009

January 5, 2009 - Obama picks pro-abortion Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine as the chairman of the Democratic Party.

January 6, 2009 - Obama chooses Thomas Perrelli, the lawyer who represented Terri Schiavo’s husband Michael in his efforts to kill his disabled wife, as the third highest attorney in the Justice Department.

January 22, 2009 - Releases statement restating support for Roe v. Wade decision that allowed virtually unlimited abortions and has resulted in at least 50 million abortions since 1973.

January 23, 2009 - Forces taxpayers to fund pro-abortion groups that either promote or perform abortions in other nations. Decison to overturn Mexico City Policy sends part of $457 million to pro-abortion organizations.

January 26, 2009 - Obama nominee for Deputy Secretary of State, James B. Steinberg, tells members of the Senate that taxpayers should be forced to fund abortions. Nominee erroneously says limits on abortion funding are unconstitutional.

January 29, 2009 - President Obama nominates pro-abortion David Ogden as Deputy Attorney General.

February 12, 2009 - Obama nominates pro-abortion Elena Kagan to serve as Solicitor General.

February 27, 2009 - Starts the process of overturning pro-life conscience protections President Bush put in place to make sure medical staff and centers are not forced to do abortions.

February 28, 2009 - Barack Obama nominates pro-abortion Kathleen Sebelius to become Secretary of Health and Human Services.

March 5, 2009 - The Obama administration shut out pro-life groups from attending a White House-sponsored health care summit. Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest abortion business, made the invitation list as did other pro-abortion groups.

March 9, 2009 - President Barack Obama signed an executive order forcing taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research.

March 10, 2009 - Obama announces the creation of a new foreign policy position to focus on women's issues. He names Melanne Verveer, an abortion advocate, to occupy the post.

March 10, 2009 - Reverses an executive order to press for more research into ways of obtaining embryonic stem cells without harming human life. The order Obama scrapped would have promoted new forms of stem cell research.

March 11, 2009 - Obama signed an executive order establishing a new agency within his administration known as the White House Council on Women and Girls. Obama's director of public liaison at the White House, Tina Tchen, an abortion advocate, became director of it.

March 11, 2009 - Obama administration promotes an unlimited right to abortion at a United Nations meeting.

March 11, 2009 - Obama administration officials deny negative effects of abortion at United Nation's meeting.

March 17, 2009 - President Barack Obama makes his first judicial appointment and names pro-abortion federal Judge David Hamilton to serve on the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals.

March 26 - President Obama announced $50 million for the UNFPA, the UN population agency that has been criticized for promoting abortion and working closely with Chinese population control officials who use forced abortions and involuntary sterilizations.

April 7 - The Vatican has rejected three Obama ambassador nominees because of their positions in favor of abortions.

April 7 - Obama has named pro-abortion law professor Harold Hongju Koh as the top lawyer for the State Department.

April 7 - Put more abortion advocates on his White House advisory council for faith-based issues.

April 8 - Obama nominee for assistant attorney general for legislative affairs, Ron Weich, is pro-abortion.

April 14 - Obama administration releases document that claims pro-life people may engage in violence or extremism.

April 17 - Obama administration releases the proposed guidelines that implement his decision to allow taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research that involves the destruction of human life.

April 23 - Refused to appeal a ruling requiring the FDA to allow 17-year-old girls to purchase the morning after pill without either a doctor visit or parental involvement beforehand.

April 27 - Obama's women's ambassador Melanne Verveer touted Obama's decision to send $50 million to the United Nation's Population Fund.

May 5 - Details emerge about a terrorism dictionary the administration of President Barack Obama put together in March. The Domestic Extremism Lexicon calls pro-life advocates violent and claims they employ racist overtones in engaging in criminal actions.

May 8 - President Obama releases a new budget that allows the Legal Services Corporation to use tax dollars to pay for pro-abortion litigation.

May 8 - President Obama's new budget calls for taxpayer funded abortions in the nation's capital.

May 8 - President Obama's budget eliminates all federal funding for abstinence-only education.

May 15 - Appointed pro-abortion New York City health commissioner Thomas Frieden as head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

May 17 - During his commencement speech at Notre Dame, Obama deceived listeners into thinking he wants a conscience clause, promoted embryonic stem cell research and misstated his pro-abortion record.

May 26 - Appoints appeals court judge Sonia Sonotmayor as a Supreme Court nominee. Sotomayor agrees that the courts should make policy, such as the Roe v. Wade case. Sotomayor is later opposed by pro-life groups and supported by pro-abortion groups and those who know her say she will support abortion on the high court.

July 2- Calls for an unlimited right to abortion at a United Nation's meeting.

July 7- The Obama administration admits it ignored the majority of Americans who opposed the proposed guidelines that would implement Obama's decision to force taxpayers to fund embryonic stem cell research.

July 14 - Obama science czar nominee John Holdren is revealed to have written before that he favors forced abortions.

July 30 - Awards several pro-abortion activists with the 2009 Presidential Medal of Freedom.

July 31 - Tells the National Institutes of Health to adopt rules that allow embryonic stem cell research.

August 4 - Information becomes public that Ezekiel Emanuel, an Obama advisor at the Office of Management and Budget and a member of Federal Council on Comparative Effectiveness Research, supports rationing health care for disabled Americans that could lead to euthanasia.

August 6 - Obama criticized for asking for people to "snitch" on groups and people who oppose the pro-abortion health care bills in Congress.

August 13 - Obama wrongly said a senator backed the pro-euthanasia components of the health care bill.

August 23 - Said pro-life advocates were making "phony claims" about the health care bills. Also said the claims were false.

August 24 - Releases veterans guide promoting euthanasia.

September 13 - Misleads on the federal conscience clause in a health care speech and misleads on abortion funding.

September 13 - Obama waits two days to comment on shooting of pro-life advocate whereas he commented immediately on shooting of abortion practitioner.

September 15 - Senate confirms Obama's new regulatory czar Cass Sunstein, who is pro-abortion.

October 5 - Selected pro-abortion lawyer and Georgetown University law professor Chai Feldblum for the EEOC.

October 5 - Anounces he will give the keynote speech for pro-abortion group Human Rights Campaign.

October 19 - Obama's serve.gov web site promotes the Planned Parenthood abortion business.

October 21 - Obama administration web site promotes pro-abortion health care bills.

November 6 - Endorsed the House version of the health care bill that, at the time, contained massive abortion funding, rationing and assisted suicide promotion.

November 26 - Copies Thanksgiving proclamation of President Bush but leaves out pro-life message.

December 2 - Authorized taxpayer funding for embryonic stem cell research that kills days-old unborn children.

December 3 - A pro-abortion Obama judicial pick, Louis Butler, is approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee.

December 7 - Announces his endorsement of the pro-abortion Senate health care bill.

December 16 - Obama administration forces Americans a second time to spend millions more on embryonic stem cell research that destroys human life.

December 17 - Signed a bill that overturned the 13-year-long ban on funding abortions with tax dollars in the nation's capital.


Pro-Abortion Presidential Record - 2010

January 18, 2010 - Gives speech supporting pro-abortion Senate candidate Martha Coakley.

January 26, 2010 - Renominates radical pro-abortion activist Dawn Johnsen to a top Justice Department position.

January 28, 2010 - Promotes the pro-abortion health care bill in the State of the Union address.

February 2, 2010 - Submits new budget calling for taxpayer funding of abortions and more money for Planned Parenthood.

February 5, 2010 - The Obama administration issued a new order for the U.S. military requiring all military hospitals and health centers to stock the morning after pill.

February 8, 2010 - The Obama administration admitted it improperly conducted a threat assessment on pro-life groups in Wisconson who were preparing to rally against a new abortion center at a University of Wisconsin health clinic.

February 16, 2010 - White House visitor logs reveal Obama has gien Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards frequent access to top staffers.

February 22, 2010 - Unveils changes to the pro-abortion health care bill that keep abortion funding, expands abortion funding, and require a monthly abortion fee on Americans.

February 24, 2010 - Obama administration proposes expanding embryonic stem cell research further.

February 26, 2010 - Obama has selected pro-abortion magistrate judge Timothy Black for the District Court Bench for the Southern District of Ohio. Black gets the endorsement of NARAL.

March 3, 2010 - Officially decides to use the controversial reconciliation procedure to pass the pro-abortion health care bill over the filibuster rights of those opposed.

March 22, 2010 - Signs the pro-abortion health care bill into law that contains massive abortion funding, no conscience protections and rationing.

March 24, 2010 - Signs executive order purporting to ban abortion funding that leaves taxpayer funding of abortions in place.

March 26, 2010 - White House visitor logs show pro-abortion NARAL activist Nancy Keenan meeting with key Obama staffers frequently and invited to social functions.

March 29, 2010 - Uses recess appointment to name pro-abortion activist Chai Feldblum to the EEOC.

March 30, 2010 - Signs the reconciliation health care bill that does not contain any fixes for the massive abortion funding.

April 6, 2010 - Battle begins over pro-abortion Obama appeals court nominee Goodwin Liu.

April 7, 2010 - Obama administration pressures Kenya to adopt a new constitution that would legalize unlimited abortions.

April 15, 2010 - WHO applauds Obama administration for promoting abortion worldwide.

May 8, 2010 - Obama's federal budget eliminates abstinence education funding.

May 10, 2010 - Names pro-abortion activist Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court; she is strongly opposed by pro-life groups.

May 26, 2010 - Congressman Chris Smith reports the Obama administration has spent $10 million potentially illegally promoting a pro-abortion constitution in Kenya.

May 27, 2010 - Obama selected Donald Berwick to become the director of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, the office that oversees government health care programs. Berwick supports the rationing components of the British medical system.

June 17, 2010 - Obama administration, via FDA panel, approves the use of the new abortion drug ella.

June 23, 2010 - Obama administration approves more federal taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research.

July 7, 2010 - Obama uses a recess appointment to name rationing advocate Donald Berwick to become the director of the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services.

July 13, 2010 - It is discovered that the Obama administration planned to fund abortions in Pennsylvania in high risk insurance programs created through the national health care law Obama signed.

July 13, 2010 - It is discovered that the Obama administration planned to fund abortions in New Mexico in high risk insurance programs created through the national health care law Obama signed.

July 16, 2010 - The Obama administration also planned to fund abortions under the national health care plan in Maryland.

July 19, 2010 - A new report indicates the Obama administration has spent as much as $23 million to influence residents of Kenya to vote for a proposed constitution that essentially legalizes abortion.

July 22, 2010 - President Obama's ambassador to Kenya openly endorses a proposed constitution that would essentially legalize abortion.

Now that I've proven that democrats both approve of and promote abortions (but for those pro-life democrats).....

Tuesday: What does it matter. It's all true. Geez you are blind.

On 36th Anniversary, Obama Praises Roe v. Wade Precedent
By MICHAEL FALCONE
President Barack Obama reaffirmed his commitment to protecting abortion rights on Wednesday, the 36th anniversary of the landmark Supreme Court decision, Roe v. Wade, and said that it “stands for a broader principle: that government should not intrude on our most private family matters.”

Tuesday:

I guess I won that round.

Sunday Funnies: Obama Brings His Teleprompter On Vacation
by Noel Sheppard

As President Obama headed to the Florida Panhandle for a vacation with the family, he felt the need to drag his teleprompter along (h/t Freedom's Lighthouse):

Swimsuit? Check. Sunscreen? Got it. Insect repellent? Yep. Teleprompter? Teleprompter?

The Teleprompter of the United States: Don't leave home without it!

Chris Matthews Winces In Pain When Guest Says Dems Could Lose Senate
by Noel Sheppard
Chris Matthews this weekend winced in pain when a guest on his syndicated program said it's actually more likely the Democrats will lose the Senate than the House in the upcoming midterm elections.
As the "Chris Matthews Show" entered its final segment when panelists offer their predictions, New York magazine's John Heilemann said, "There are a lot of really smart Democratic politicos that I talk to who are actually a little bit more worried right now that it's possible Democrats could lose the Senate more easily than they could lose the House."

Matthews interrupted with a pained expression on his face, "That's like losing a dozen seats."

As Heilemann continued, the host once again interrupted, "Could [Sen. Barbara] Boxer lose in California?"

When Heilemann said yes, Matthews grimaced, "You're talking tsunami"

Those in America who most oppose Muslim theocracies, would probably be very happy if the USA was a Judeo/Christian theocracy

Jim Dandy: awww bull. I know of no Christian who feels that way. It's really a dumb thing to say. Do you even know how oppressive Muslim theocracies govern?

I would totally oppose a theocracy of any kind.

Unless of course Jesus was running it.

Tuesday: What's your problem? Get thicker skin. It was a dumb statement. I didn't say he was dumb.