Lost, is back...in January.

coan.net: I didn't start watching until the second season and then got the first season from the library and did a marathon watch during the summer. It's the best action show on TV IMHO.

24 returns!

Any other fans??

Foxy Lady: Sorry Foxy. We started off ok talking about Fox and NBC news but got a bit off the path when discussing the political coverage. :)

Tuesday: The "posh" hotel was chosen because it's where he and his wife were married.

Tuesday: I'll bet you money that Fox treats Obama with the utmost respect should he win the White House. And for the record, Fox has been very hard on Bush on both foreign and domestic issues. O'Reilly (my hero lol) has hammered the Bush administration for it's failure to live up to its constitutional duties to protect our borders. He's failed on many fronts and Fox, along with other news agencies, have reported those failures. The Surge was a success, but the aftermath of the war was totally unplanned and a comedy of errors. Fox has been a strong critic of how the Bush administration handled things after Iraq fell.

If Fox became a bashing agency for the Democrats (should Obama win) I'd quit watching them. Brit Hume and Chris Wallace are a class act. I'm watching them now. :) There will be shows such as Hannity and Combes where no matter what the Democrats do (or the Republicians for that matter) there will be critics (but you will find them equally represented). O'Reilly doesn't report the news, he is an analysist. He gives his view, and always has an opposing view represented. I've seen O'Reilly get ripped apart by a certain guest (out argued) and that guest is a regular even though he/she holds to an opposite view. It makes for a spirited debate. And Democratic Congresspersons are regulars on many Fox News programs. I think they all like to get into the thick of it and mix it up. I'll bet they all go have beers afterwards and laugh and tell jokes!

Vikings:

Tuesday: I saw it. Funny! I love Tina Faye.

Tuesday:

Tuesday: Exactly. You have just supported my point. The coverage is biased in favor of Obama and against McCain.

Tuesday: I know. It's been revived. I'm defending the honor of Fox news.

Tuesday: Perhaps the only reason you think the McCain camp was so negative is because of the slanted coverage in that direction. How is it that Fox news treated both candidates equally? Couldn't MSNBC find enough negative about Obama to focus on? Of course they could. They chose not to. And Fox found 60% positive on McCain to report on. They gave Obama the same courtesy. MSNBC found ONLY 14% negative reporting for Obama vrs 73% negative re: McCain. It's not the job of the media to slant their coverage in favor of a candidate but that's exactly what MSNBC has done. And BTW, the report I cite did not come to the same conclusion that you and JimDandy have come to and they are the ones that did the study. You and Jim are interpreting the findings incorrectly.

Jim Dandy: You've completely missed the point of the report I cited. Vikings is right. It had nothing to do with how the campaigns were run. BTW, this isn't the only time an independent study clearly showed that Fox stands above the rest when it comes to fair and balanced reporting.

Jim Dandy:  You are missing the point.  The study wasn't concerning how the media was reporting the negative or positive of the individual campaigns.   The study looked at how the media presented it's reports.  Of all the stories MSNBC ran about Obama, only 14 were negative.  But 73% were negative regarding McCain.  The independent report focused on the flavor of the reporting.  The question they answered had to do with the slant of the media coverage.  MSNBC slanted their coverage in favor of Obama and against McCain.  Some of those knuckleheads on MSNBC even dug into Joe the Plumber's past, his tax records, etc, just to discredit him.  That is NOT the job of a news organization.  They weren't reporting the news, they were making it. 

This report is quite comprehensive and you can read if for yourself online.  I'm citing facts from their report.  You're using hypotheticals and opinion.  The bottom line is this:  Fox news is recognized by the majority of American viewers as a higher quality news organization than any other, cable or network.  The  ratings show that.  People know they can depend on Fox to deliver information from all perspectives.  This election coverage has been a good example of their excellence.  You will routinely see Fox have equal representation from both parties and they give them equal time.  Looking at the Fox news program as a whole, it's easy to see that, just as this study I cite reflects, they are indeed fair and balanced.    OTOH, watching MSNBC would give the viewer a slanted view that favored Obama.  NBC is nearly as bad but MSNBC is by far the worse.   The data makes it clear and with all due respect, contrary opinions do nothing to change the facts. 

Pedro Martínez:  It wasn't a Fox report.  It was a report about the cable/network/print media and was put out by an independent source.  This report in particular, with regard to the election, validates Fox's claim to be fair and balanced.  That they are.  Which is  a good reason to watch them.  You do indeed get both sides.

BTW, Mother Theresa died in 97.   Joseph Goebbels is long dead too.  And neither were US citizens so they don't qualify to run for presidents.  

Jim Dandy:  The point is that given the same set of facts to work with, Fox was exactly Fair and Balanced as advertised.  MSNBC was clearly showing its bias in favor of Obama. (73 to 14% is a HUGE difference) It's one thing to report "the facts."  It's another thing entirely to report ONLY those stories that support one's personal POV. 

Jim Dandy: check out The Project For Excellence In Jounalism. Here are some of their findings just out: Oct 29, 2008

In all of the media studies, 57% of McCain stories were negative while only 29% of Obama stories were negative.

Newspapers:

69% of the McCain stories were negative while only 28% of Obama stories were negative.

NBC news: 54% of the stories about McCain were negative while only 21% about Obama were found to be negative.

And now for my favorite finding:

MSNBC: 73% of the Mcain stories were negative when ONLY 14% Obama stories were negative. But how did MSNBC compare with Fox?

Fox news: 40% of the Fox stories on McCain were negative and equally (you know, as in fair and balanced) 40% of the Obama stories were negative.

Jim Dandy:  I've always liked Charlie Rose.  Not a fan of his PBS show but did love his 60 Minutes reporting.  Fact is, 60 Minutes is a life long fav of mine. Blame Andy Rooney.  He's worth the entire show IMO.  My wife says I have his eyebrows.   

Mousetrap: I watch America's Most Wanted too but only to see if my pic shows up. 

Mousetrap:  I've never watched the X Factor but that's because of this:  "So many shows, so little time."  ;)

Mousetrap:

Jim Dandy  You can't get much more left than Dr Mark Lamont Hill and he's a regular on the O'Reilly factor.  O'Reilly regularly has guests that present the democratic point of view and the conservative view.  In his last show, the first two segments were equally divided to consider both points of view regarding the economy and other issue that the Presidental candidates are currently debating.  It's always that way.  And in the last week O'Reilly had only good things to say about Chris Matthews (regarding a story he broadcast).  Hannity and Colmbs are good friends and operate by strict timing rules.  And they are supposed to go after each other.  It's a big part of the concept of the program.  And you can't get any more of a class act than Brit Hume.  He was with ABC for 23 years.  According to a NY Times report, Fox has been, "...one of the most popular channels on cable for six straight years, since 2002."  That's not by accident.  That means people prefer Fox over the other cables and networks.  And by overwhelming margins.   And those chuckling journalists you mention?  They chuckle at fair and blance but it's well known by the folks that there is a huge liberal bias in the mainstream media.  Even MSNBC went after "Joe the Plumber" attempting to discredit him.  Some even suggested he was a plant.  Talk about bias.  When's the last time MSNBC ran any story about Bill Aires?  But MSNBC ran a story that blammed Palin for the injury to St. Louis Blues hockey goalie Mannie Legace.  Mannie tripped on a carpet.  The carpet was put down on the ice to prevent Palin and family from slipping on the ice.  Clutz Mannie tripped and the AP and MSNBC ran stories putting the blame on Palin.  That is typical of the left leaning meadia.  With Fox you have a very strong journalistic organization with perhaps a few weak spots.  With organizations like MSNBC, you have a very weak journalistic organization with perhaps a few strong spots. 

Tuesday:  Fox always gets a bad rap but if you watch enough of it you'll easily see they always have both points of view represented.  It's a myth that they don't.  I watch it all the time and I'm surprised at how many liberal guests are able to represent their particular point of view.  Equally there are conservative voices that represent their view.  And more often than not, the commentator will say, "let the audience weigh the arguments and decide for themselves." 

As for NBC, they have a reputation throughout the industry as a voice for the Left.  That's true of most all mainstream media, from the print media to TV.  The Factor beats MSNBC in their time slot EVERY TIME and by twice as many viewers.  I find that interesting in light of the fact that our country leans to the left (for the moment) and yet the majority of American viewers prefer Fox over NBC, CBS, and ABC.  In some time slots, Fox beats all three networks combined.  That is no accident.  The folks recognize good journalism when they see/hear/read it.  

Tuesday:  Isn't MSNBC a cartoon network? 

Yeah I like the PC guy.  He should go on Fox.  I only watch Fox news.  Fair, and balanced 

Tuesday:  I love those too.   They crack me up.  Also the PC vrs Mac commercials are funny.

Tuesday:  Family guy is funny but it's vulgar funny.  IMO it's very bad for kids (maybe not so good for adults either) and even the "family hour" version isn't suitable for kiddies.

Foxy Lady:  Lots of the stuff on TV today that's aimed at kids is harmful IMO. 

Dolittle:  Yep, the good old days  

Foxy Lady:  When I was younger I did it for three months when I was a counselor at a summer camp.  Did it for 7 years  lol

Foxy Lady:  I could for just a week.  ;)

Foxy Lady:  Oh yeah.  And no computers.  Forget that! 

Foxy Lady:  I could.  But not with my mom and brothers.  We're too dysfunctional.  But my daughter and son and I could get along just fine  ;)

Foxy Lady:   hmmmmm, Have to be Family Man. 

Heros:  But I don't understand most of it.

Prison Break:  They sure know how to stretch it out lol

Bill O'Reilly   (ok, not a movie but he is on TV  :)

Desperate Housewives (the ladies are hot -  and my wife makes me watch it)

Lost (when does the new season start??)

Grey's Anatomy

My Own Worst Enemy (jury is still out here)

enuf for now  ;)

Foxy Lady:  This will be fun  :) 

OK, 24 returns.  I LOVE that show!!!  Anyone else love that show???  :)  Besides me??? 

Oh and Hi to the new mod Foxy.  You look familiar. 

American Idol. Who is gonna win :)