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9. Majo 2004, 19:21:16
Chessmaster1000 
Temo: For WhisperzQ and other.........
I'm really sorry for made you feel like this. I didn't make it deliberately.
But you are wrong on this. Maharajah Chess is an available game to play and the fact that i know to play it perfect, it's not something unsportsman and unfair. For example at Chess. I'm really good there. If someone is bad at chess, then is it unfair to challenge him? Of course not. Just like this. I play this game perfect after studying it a little and i don't find it unfair to play with Black pieces with someone if he wants to. I don't tell him that i found a perfect line to win, but i don't find it unfair, because he should use his own brain to find out and reject my offer.
So please change your mind and remove me from your enemies list and accept 2 games of Gothic Chess or Backgammon as my purpose was misunderstood by you.
Well by giving my "perfect" line of Maharajah Chess i know that none will accept any offer again, but i'm doing this to prove you that i'm not someone bad and evil :

The following moves are playable by Black no matter what White Maharajah plays, except the last move i have noted:

1. Knight b8 - c6
2. Pawn d7 - d5
3. Queen d8 - d6
4. Pawn e7 - e5
5. Knight g8 - f6
6. Pawn a7 - a5
7. Rook a8 - a6
8. Rook a6 - b6
9. Bishop c8 - g4
10. Pawn e5 - e4
11. Queen d6 - e5
12. Bishop f8 - e7
13. 0-0
14. Rook b6 - b2
15. Rook f8 - a8
16. Rook a8 - a6
17. Rook a6 - b6
18. Rook b6 - b3
19. Pawn h7 - h5
20. Pawn g7 - g5
21. Knight f6 - h7
22. Queen e5 - d4

Now if the Maharajah is on a1 then:
23. Rook b2 - b1
24. Rook b3 - b2 MATE#

Else:
23. Queen d4 - d1 MATE#

7. Majo 2004, 04:59:16
jestone 
Temo: your best game with me
i'm working up a new webpage, at

My Games of Loop Chess.

http://www.geocities.com/ttrotter3/loopgames.html

If you have played any game of loop with me and you would like to see it linked in my page, send me a message directly to me (not in this discussion board, please) about it.

Thank you. Terry

21. Aprilo 2004, 16:03:12
grenv 
Temo: Re: stalemate
excellent.

In this case whoever is playing white should retire immediately. :)

21. Aprilo 2004, 10:15:05
mangue 
Temo: stalemate
Of course stalemate is possible !!!

White : Ka8 Rb7 Bb8 Pa7,b6,c7
Black : Kc8

White is stalemate !!!

14. Aprilo 2004, 06:07:13
coan.net 
What if black had 2 or 4 "super pawns" - that is they can move 1 space any of the 8 directions. (Up, Up-right, right, right-down, down, down-left, left, left-up) (Can move & Capture in those directions - 1 space)

Put them in the back row - possible where the bishops normally are, or if 4 - where bishops & rooks normally are)

It will not be a very big change, but should give black more of a chance and possible "even" out the game some.

Any thoughts?

(Or possible a new game - "Super Horde Chess" - maybe even make the whole back row of black pawns - 6 total - be "super pawns")

7. Aprilo 2004, 02:03:12
Lythande 
I've seen this discussion of 'fairness' in maharaja scattered around the boards for some time. I'd just like to point out that for the beginning player, white has one advantage simply in the mechanics of the program: The board will not -let- you place your maharaja in check. In short, you can, in a very short time, find all your choices for moves simply by running the mouse over all the squares. You only have one piece to move, and only one to worry about. Of course, that's countered by the fact that black only needs to check the moves for one piece, but for the inexperienced player, this can be quite an advantage. Black must check all his pieces to keep everyone guarded, -and- find a way to force an 'omnimovable' piece into check without causing a stalemate (draw). For a semi-deecent chess player, this isn't all that difficult, but it can be quite a challenge to the beginner.

I've a hunch the game might have originated with the intention of conditioning people to the challenges of fighting under seemingly hopeless odds.

6. Aprilo 2004, 17:53:57
mangue 
oops, I did not see that!
Luckily, he did win game 142224 by time :-)))

6. Aprilo 2004, 17:39:58
Caissus 
Temo: Re:
But no,he won one of these games with the white pieces !!.. against a player who has lost all his Brainking games except one :):)!

6. Aprilo 2004, 17:27:42
mangue 
I am proud to congratulates N°1 in rating HerculesBeast !!!

60 games with black : 60 victories ! What a performance

A cool variation could be that black has to announce the whole game before starting.

6. Aprilo 2004, 09:45:14
WhisperzQ 
Temo: Re:Horde
And are of somewhat equal ability ... I am sure you would be able to beat most, Caissus, playing either white or black!

5. Aprilo 2004, 23:52:20
Caissus 
Temo: Re:Horde
White wins always in the below described way,not regardless of the moves of each player of course,but sure if both parties are playing their best moves.

5. Aprilo 2004, 02:05:21
WhisperzQ 
Now there is a thought, anti-maharajah chess :)

5. Aprilo 2004, 01:13:12
Kevin 
All that proves is that it is not guaranteed that white will win regardless of what either player does. Of course white could lose the game if they wanted to...?

5. Aprilo 2004, 00:07:26
WhisperzQ 
Temo: Re: RE: Horde Chess
Still, there is a hope for black, it is not completely pre-ordained ... so far I have a 16:8 win:loss as black (8:0 as white). For the site it is about 3 white: 1 black.

4. Aprilo 2004, 19:36:31
Caissus 
Temo: Re: RE: Horde Chess
No chance for black,WhisperzQ!
The strategy for W is easy :He changes some pawns in the opening,gives three or four pieces for two pawns (each) and then he invades with queen and/or rook in Black`s position.From backwards he can beat B`s important pawns.
No problem for W,if he doesn`t play too bad :).

4. Aprilo 2004, 18:37:47
WhisperzQ 
Temo: RE: Horde Chess
Not quite so Caissus ... black does have some hope in horde chess and a win cannot be forced from move 1 by white.

3. Aprilo 2004, 16:57:51
Caissus 
Temo: Re: challenges with black
I think the original idea,to play with a maharadja is good.(Other names for this piece are "general" or "amazone")And there have been in the past some interesting suggestions to improve this variation to a balanced game, not only for children:).Btw we have the same situation in "Hordechess"!

1. Aprilo 2004, 14:59:02
mangue 
Temo: challenges with black
I noticed that many players only play maharadjah with white for you... If you look on the "Waiting games", you have dozens of challenge with black, which is not fair.

Could they be proud about their rating? Do not they get bored?

Ok, as ughaibu said, it could be kind of beginner game for kids to learn how to move the pieces :-)

6. Marto 2004, 10:38:27
Walter Montego 
Temo: Open Dark Chess Tournament
Starts March 28th. Come on down and play some games.

6. Marto 2004, 10:33:49
Walter Montego 
Temo: Open Extinction Chess Tournament
Starts March 28th. Come on down and play some games. :)

18. Februaro 2004, 20:19:41
oliottavio 
Temo: Dark gothic
is a very good idea, post that in a Feature requests discussion board

17. Februaro 2004, 13:14:42
spocko 
Temo: Dark Gothic
what about Dark Gothic chess I think that would be good one to

13. Februaro 2004, 00:16:04
Kevin 
<You type the following:

<a href=/game/ArchivedGame?g=253467>Text goes here</a>

and you replace the "/game/ArchivedGame?g=253467" with everything in the URL after "brainking.com". That way it works for everyone, whether they are using "brainking.com" or "www.brainking.com" or anything else. For external links, you have to replace it with the entire URL.

13. Februaro 2004, 00:08:40
Kevin 

12. Februaro 2004, 23:59:36
jestone 
Temo: Interesting games #1
It appears there has been no entries in this DB for nearly 3 months now. So I suggest that we start a little series of "show 'n tell" of favorite or interesting games that we loopsters have played. I'd like to start things off with the following recently finished game of mine.


Click HERE to see it.

What makes this game so interesting to me was the tenseness of the battle. The beginning was rather bland, but around moves 21 & 22 I began to feel a lot of pressure. It kept building. Clearly the momentum was to my opponent’s favor. On his 30th move B@g6, I was getting concerned. 33. Rxh7+ made things look bleak for me. I had to sacrifice my Q now. About this moment or perhaps a little before, my opponent sent this message, “Hey, this is rather fun. Lots of play in the game. Thanks Trotter. Whats next?” To which I replied: “this isnt quite over yet. let's see.”

Then on my 34th, rather than capture his B to save my R, I counterattacked. And the momentum swung in my favor. A series of checks brought black back from the jaws of disaster. White did not answer my last check, allowing the time to run out. No matter, it was mate next move anyway.

Now, who’s next in line? Show us your favorite recent game.

6. Februaro 2004, 11:41:30
mangue 
Temo: Stalemate
I am quite certain it is possible to stalemate in this game, but it certainly never happened until yet :-)

I tried a screenshot of a possible stalemate.

stalemate in extinction

Last move : 1. h6-h7 ; Na3-b1 stalemate

Since there is no "chess", stalemate is quite unlikely to happened.

21. Januaro 2004, 19:01:10
grenv 
This is certainly a draw. In some versions of AC capturing the enemy king with yours is a draw. I think this is a good implementation. However even with the current rules this is a draw. Silly play by black of course.

21. Januaro 2004, 18:07:45
mangue 
Temo: Re: stalemate
Sorry about that, I removed the link

Here is the final position:
White Kh1, Pc6 Ph6
Black Kh2 Bg1 Rg2 Pc7 Pe6 Ph7

But I admit it is not a natural position... I could have win before, was just wondering if stalemate exists...

21. Januaro 2004, 15:55:56
grenv 
Temo: Re: stalemate
it's also private so the link is useless. What's the position?

21. Januaro 2004, 15:46:19
mangue 
Temo: stalemate
I had a stalemate :-)

19. Januaro 2004, 02:17:05
ustica tnp 
well Backoff. starting positions its the same. but when i play white i fill more strong.. maybe becose i move first.. well speek for my self.

18. Januaro 2004, 13:21:21
Backoff 
This comming from some one who has never even played a game of corner chess....

well there's certain starting postions that each side has a clear advantage, just that most of them that I have played so far have been black.

18. Januaro 2004, 03:59:57
LongJohn GZ 
Temo: Re:
well considering white wins 53.13% of the time, I assume it is just you LOL

18. Januaro 2004, 03:39:34
Backoff 
Is it just me, or does black have an advantage in most of the starting positions in corner chess?

7. Januaro 2004, 18:01:33
grenv 
how about dark pente? :)

7. Januaro 2004, 17:14:36
mangue 
Dark Atomic would be silly, but there is no force win for white! I would play 1...e5 or 1...g5 randomly, then if pawn explode 2.. Qh4 and win ;)

By the way, I would rather play 3-moves dark atomic then 800-moves anti-backgammon !

Dark Maharajah would be much dumber, since white can physically not win !

7. Januaro 2004, 15:13:19
grenv 
Dark Atomic chess would be silly and usually finish in about 3-4 moves. Just my opinion, I like both but wouldn't play the combo.
:)

7. Januaro 2004, 08:20:06
WhisperzQ 
Kevin: yep, you missed ... dark atomic loop horde 3-check maharajah janus (chess)

7. Januaro 2004, 00:51:51
Kevin 
And Fencer also said that he doesn't want to create every possible variation, or it would be too hard to tell them apart - such as Dark Janus, Dark Gothic, Dark Maharajah, Dark Horde, Dark Atomic, Atomic Janus, Atomic Gothic, Atomic Horde, Atomic Maharajah, Dark Atomic Janus, Dark Atomic Gothic, Dark Atomic Horde, Dark Atomic Maharajah... (am i missing any?) :-)

And that's just the chess variations! (which, i admit, would be most of them).

7. Januaro 2004, 00:48:14
andreas 
Temo: Re: Atomic Dark Chess
The problem with combinations is that there could be too few people who will play them. For Atomic Dark Chess only people who likes both of them will likely to play it.

6. Januaro 2004, 22:57:00
Caissus 
Temo: Re: Dark Atomic Chess
No!

6. Januaro 2004, 22:43:47
BlackKnight 
Temo: Atomic Dark Chess
Wouldn't it be fun if we could play a combination of Dark and Atomic chess?

6. Januaro 2004, 22:43:18
BlackKnight 
Temo: Dark Atomic Chess
Wouldn't it be fun if we could play a combination of Dark and Atomic chess?

31. Decembro 2003, 05:29:57
Nasmichael 
Temo: Triad of Maharajah and Assassins
I agree with Gary's point-spread analysis, with a Maharajah and two non-royal "Assassins" to even up the score. I like this as a teaching game, with (as it currently stands) one piece having the ability to move as each piece of the opposing team. The fact that it is alone stacks the deck against it, but with two non-royal pieces with similar powers, it will allow for some danger for Black. I do think it should be modified to make it

In the absence of that, I like ughaibu's idea of set matches.

But I prefer the addition of two non-royals. A sharper game is needed.

29. Decembro 2003, 18:43:44
Caissus 
I have discovered that you can play this variant in real-time at the ICC,(http:// www.chessclub.com/) as 5,10 or 20 minutes game. But it is possible to play for free only as guest and without rating and name.
Even so it is a good training :).If someone wants to play such some short games please send me a private message.

28. Decembro 2003, 12:30:05
ughaibu 
It's just occured to me that this could be a game if it's played in matches of one with each colour and the aim is to win in the fewest moves, (as black of course).

27. Decembro 2003, 20:24:34
ughaibu 
I think it's very unlikely that this is a game in the competitive sense. It seems to me most likely to be a way to introduce complete beginners, probably children, to the moves of the chess pieces. The beginner of course takes black and the teacher white, shogi has a comparable teaching tool in which the beginner has a full set of pieces while the teacher has only a king and three pawns in hand.

18. Decembro 2003, 11:41:47
Keith Graham 
Temo: Re: one more player to start tournament
Well, if it's ok to join even though I probably won't be online for about 10 days straight, I will, when I get that 14th slot free...

18. Decembro 2003, 04:12:45
Keith Graham 
Temo: Re: one more player to start tournament
I would join, Mangue, but I'm leaving on vacation in a week. Hope to catch a tourney soon!

17. Decembro 2003, 19:42:31
mangue 
Temo: tournament 1801 started !
anti-chess just started! Have fun

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