Artful Dodger: International force of warships running escort just like in WWII... only way.

Well, the captain is free, and the Navy Seals with sniper guns shot and killed 3 of the pirates.  The Captain escaped unharmed.  The 4th pirate is in US custody.  According to a report:  "Acting on a standing order from President Obama to move in when Phillips was in "imminent danger" snipers were ordered to fire."   Way to go Obama.  That will certainly be to his credit.  The pirates had an AK47 to the back of the head of the Captain.  That and previous shots fired were enough and the Seals took their shots.

Here's a follow up story  Not a surprise.  The Pirates vow to avenge the death of their co-pirates.  hmmmm, how dare the US fight back against terrorists who threaten innocent people.  Now those terrorists are mad and will retaliate. 

So what.  Now is the time to bring it to those cowards.  A far more noble task than Iraq.  Many nations are suffering at the hands of these pirates.  I hope the international community takes this opportunity to band together for the good of humanity and defeat these pirates.  No more $$ should be given to these crooks.  That only guarentees more of the same. 

Make no mistake, the pirates will want revenge.  Stay away, and keep the gun loaded.  Head snots only.  No warning shots to approaching vessels.  Sink em.  BAM!  If every time they sink an approaching vessel, or shoot the pirates as they try to board, how long before they try their luck somewhere else?

Here's the deal.  It's not smart to threaten a moderator with stupid threats.  I'm so NOT concerned.  So give it a rest.



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It's up to you.

Artful Dodger: Unfortunately in matter like this, such action has a high friendly death toll probability. If you wanted to really stop the pirates, you'd have to show that having a hostage is not a shield.

.... As for Reagan..... Sure he was tough. He traded weapons for people... A great stance against terrorists.

Artful Dodger: With the exception of the last sentence, I totally agree.

(V):Oh yeah.   That was with that wimpy ineffective moron Jimmy Carter.  He was one of the worst presidents in US history.  Iran knew that Reagan wouldn't put up with anymore of their nonsense and they released them.  You have to take a hard stand against terrorists.  No soft approach will do.  No "understanding their motives."  Take it to them.   And use lots of ammo and head aims.  Dead terrorists can't whine about international law or rights or whatever. 

Artful Dodger: Instances where USA citizens have been taken hostage. Then there are those taken in Iraq..

(V):One of them what?

Artful Dodger: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Iran is one of them.. aka Iran-gate.

Pedro Martínez:Well, if they surrendered, I'd have no choice but to take them prisoner.  But while they are still armed and aggressive, I'd take a shoot to kill approach.  If they survive, then they are captured.  But my goal would be to make them dead first, captured second. 

well maybe not millions, but a lot!

Artful Dodger: There's millions of poor desperate young men always willing to fill any open ranks with the Pirates!

Artful Dodger: There is a comando group of sorts. It's called Combined Task Force 150. However, the take-no-prisoners approach is not feasible. International law, you know... :) But now when we have a US hostage, I can imagine a change in this respect - as the US has proven not to worry much about the international law in the past few years.

(V):When and where and what was done?

Pedro Martínez:But don't you think they could do more?  Like have a commando group on a few ships and set the pirates up?  With a take no prisoners approach.  A dead pirate can't reoffend.

Artful Dodger: Us hostages have been taken before. Maybe not in this area, but certainly in other areas of the world.

Artful Dodger: Yes, they have. And I actually think the international forces (including the US) have been doing a good job fighting against them. There were victims, there were ransoms paid, but the number of successful pirate acts has a decreasing tendency. I especially welcomed the recent incident involving FGS Spessart.

Pedro Martínez:
  Well, to my knowledge this is the first time a US hostage has been taken.  But you're right that these pirates have been at this sort of crap a long time.

Czuch: Well, they won't rescue the captain without talking to the pirates, I can tell you that.

Vikings: How about USS Cape St. George, USS Gonzalez, MV Seabourn Spirit (not a US-registered vessel, but owned by an American corporation) or MS Nautica (again, not registered in the US, but owned by a US-based corporation)?

For further information on the Somali piracy problem, read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_piracy

Pedro Martínez: It will be a good litmus test for the new liberal appeasement/talk with our enemies, get to know and understand them better, have sympathy for them, and they will play nice too, mentality.....

If these pirates let this captain go un harmed with tears in their eyes, heads hanging in shame and sorrow, and a new outlook for peaceful prosperity, then we will know that we finally have the solution to all of our problems!

Artful Dodger: LMAO & your the biggest one here:))

Pedro Martínez: it was reported that no American ships had been pirated in decades

Artful Dodger: Bush would NEVER have tolerated this crap!
So you're saying the pirates were waiting for Obama to get elected. There had been no piracy off the Somali coast before .

There are 39 times where the word "idiot" has been used appropriately on this board. 

Vikings:Of course, a hand grenade would do wonders.  How about throwing a few hand grenades in the little boat, then when the bad guys all jump out, slit their little throats.  They'd leave the captain on board because they'd think he was gonna blow up.  But the hand grenades are duds.  lol. 

Vikings:I know I wouldn't put up with it.  It's all nonsense.  A group of Navy Seals on a night raid, they tip the boat over, take the pirates about 15 feet under, figure out which one is the Captain of the US ship, take him to the surface, let the pirates suck water.  No mercy.  No innocent until proven guilty.  Just one rescued captain and 4 dead pirates. 

1. pull along side of little row boat

2. hold a hand grenade over the side above said row boat

3. pull pin

4. repeat this quote "either let the hostage go in 5 seconds or I let go"

5. wait 4 seconds for a reply

6. follow thru on ultimatum , period

Good evening. As you know, early yesterday, Somali-based pirates attacked the Maersk Alabama, a freighter carrying relief supplies to Kenya.............I will not stop until this man-made disaster is resolved in a peaceful, tolerant and ecologically-sound manner.....................There have been calls for justice and even violence against the misguided perpetrators. But such an emotional reaction has led to the disparagement of entire groups...................For too long, America has been too dismissive of the proud culture and invaluable contributions of the Pirate Community. Whether it is their pioneering work with prosthetics,..................................To address this issue, I have instructed Vice President Joe Biden to create a cabinet-level Czar of Pirate Outreach and Buccaneer Interrelation...............

Read the entire speech here.

This is a great satirical piece that fully exposes the stupidity of Obama's "rose colored glasses" approach to world issues.  Get real.  The US is NOT part of a globally run community.  We are an independent nation and run our own lives.  Blow the pirates out of the water.  Then chase the rest down and shoot to kill. 

Further, I'd put a US commando group on some of these US freighters and if the Pirates attack, I'd like them board, then shoot them dead.  All of them.  Then I'd make sure that the pirate world knows that if you mess with a US ship, you just might get your head blown off. 

Cowboy diplomacy all the way on this one.  

While an 800 million dollar US Naval ship floats helplessly, held at bay by 4 armed men in a little row boat, the French boarded a sailboat and freed the French hostages.  One hostage was killed and so was one terrorist.  The other three terrorists were captured.

The US on the other hand are doing NOTHING!   Stupid.  Get some commandos, snipers, surround the little row boat, and if they threaten to kill the captain, shoot the bastards between the eyes.   Then go after all the other pirates with a shoot first, ask questions later.  Be proactive.  Don't simply react to the attacks.  Find the pirates, blow the hell out of them.  Apologize later.  Use the big guns on the big ship, blow their little ships to nothing.  No bodies, no debris.  Just a big splash and some red.  After a while, the pirates will realize that it's not in their best interest to mess with the US.

But once again the US acts like a wimp. 

Bush would NEVER have tolerated this crap!

Snoopy: Yep... Just like the underground shooting of a suspected 'terrorist'.. And they wander why some peoples faith in police is shaken.

Snoopy: 5 minutes before he had a heart attack!!

Disgusting.

Bernice: theres video evidence that he was pushed to the ground a lil before he died

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7990423.stm

smacks of another police cover up

Bernice: Well if the people of the UK get their way, she'll be paying it all back.

If not... she'll be a Titanic for MP expenses on second homes.

Czuch:He had to make that visit.  But clearly he's not acting entirely in the best interest of the US.  He's acting in the best interest of the new image he want's for the US.  And that image isn't a good one.  He want's to appease the enemy.  I'd eliminate them.  At least keep them on their toes. 

President Barack Obama flew unannounced into Iraq on Tuesday and promptly declared it was time for Iraqis to "take responsibility for their country" after America's commitment of six years and thousands of lives.




What do you think about this???


Seems to me like he should be saying something like...

"I am pulling all the US troops from your country and reinstating Saddams regime, and I am sorry for any harm the US and Bush caused you"?

I mean, how can you be against this the whole time, and now not apologize or something like that? " If I were president, you would never have gotten as far as you have, and had any hope restored for your grandchildren future, and you would still be suffering under saddams rule. and the UN could still be paying for the meager food you and your children receive from the people of the world that actually have hope and prosperity"!!

(V): your forgetting the 88p she claimed for a plug for a sink

Pedro Martínez: yes I have one as well LOL

Bernice: I was thinking exactly the same thing. I have a 42-inch TV and my budget is nowhere close to hers.

(V): only a 32inch??...with that sort of expence budget you would have thought she would go for a bigger one? 60in at least?

even someone without her money can afford a 42inch.

Czuch: That is a problem getting sorted out. At least over here some of the problems are now being looked into.

I mean... eg The Home Secretary saying her main home is sharing a house with her sister in London.. whilst 'under the rules' over £100,000 has gone in improving her family home as 'under the rules' it is her second home and therefore she can claim 'expenses'.... Like for a £500 sink and a 32" LCD flat screen TV.

Being a politician is such a hard life. ..... NOT

Someone leaked her expense receipts to the press.

(V): we just have to go with the flow and trust in humanity and that it will prevail in the end.



I dont mind, really..... its just when "going with the flow" means taking money from responsible hard working people to support people stuck with idiot leaders, and antiquated governments, its throwing good money after bad, and it makes zero sense to me

Czuch: Well, I just trust that it'll all be sorted in the end. I must say that in recent years a lot of problems have been noted in this world of ours, and that we can't fix them all at once.

Some... will take time. Some are not under our control.. we just have to go with the flow and trust in humanity and that it will prevail in the end.

Pedro Martínez: Well, of course, you guys are right.... It just gets frustrating sometimes when I see aholes like Kim Jong pulling stunts like this, because he spends so much time being a dick, his own people suffer, and it is we who end up paying to do for them what he neglects

I just think that in the long term, the Iraqi people will be better off, and too the rest of the world, with saddam and his regime gone, and I think the same would be true for the people in North Korea and the wolrd, if little dick was gone as well

Czuch: Th UN is 'ineffective' .... Is that so in Afghanistan, and how despite certain peoples disbelief, Iraq had no WMD's. Bosnia.. and all the other conflicts the UN has taken part in.

They are only ineffective if.. they do not agree as happens in any form of governing body (like in your senate, etc) .. or, they are blocked by a country vetoing direct action, or vetoing letters of discontent.

Did you hear recently, that team is being sent in to check on possible war crimes in the recent Gaza strip conflict. Israel feel they are being picked on.... But how can the 'free' show that they uphold their own laws and are morally 'superior' if we do not scrutinise without favour, our own actions.

Czuch: Tell me how "ineffectual" the UN was in the Persian Gulf War or the Korean War.

As soon as the UN Security Council passes another ineffectual resolution regretting the defiance of its last ineffectual resolution, the North knows it can eventually find the Obama administration back at a negotiating table for the charade's next act.



This excerpt from an article I was reading really struck home to me.... its obviously about N Korea and their nuclear bargaining chip. But it reminds me so well of what was going on with iraq in regards to how ineffectual the UN really is

One useless resolution after another, talk about a huge waste of time and money, another example of people making a living off of false importance paid for with my tax dollars

Bernice:It's horrible.   Some day many nations will have terrible weapons that will make the current weapons seem tame.  I worry for my grandkids.  What kind of world will they inherit? 

Artful Dodger: I know, but isn't it a terrible thing our grandchildren have to look forward to.

Bernice:Yeah, but that will never happen.