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Artful Dodger: the last one can only be guessed at, and your guess is as good as mine.
Mr Rudd is throwing so much money around to the needy/greedy is it any wonder we are going down. Personally it doesnt affect me because Im debt free. The only way it affects me is my interest rates go down on investments, but apart from that I could care less what happens.
Artful Dodger: the first 2 are to do with TELSTRA boss....he is an american that was bought over here to get telstra up and running....it is only about 3-4 years and has made for himself (trying to remember) 1st year 15 mil, 2nd year, 12mil, and so on and so on. Is leaving with a farewell bonus of 3mil.
Now Im not sure on the exact figures as I cant spell his surname to check it up....His christian name is Sol .......??
Artful Dodger: passionate yes,some things that make ya go hmmm,sure..but to convince me that this whole 9-11 thing is one big consperacy is just not gonna fly with me...it was a tragic historic event and alot of lives were lost and all changed forever.. some sick people attacked the USA on 9-11,NOT our government
Bernice:Hey I found some political cartoons from Australia but can't understand them all. I think you have be be an Aussi to get them. Wanna see a few?
anastasia:He's passionate about it. Some of the things brought up does make one think. I'm afraid that some of those in the conspiracy camp hurt their own cause by their telling as opposed to simply putting stones in our shoes. I prefer the latter.
The Usurper: I appreciate your comments, but can't agree with the reasons for your conclusions. as I can't agree with your babbling on and on and onnnnnnn about this thing......my GAWD already....
The Usurper: Aye.. I've heard similar. In the end it's best not to elect a man in charge of the country who wants to be in charge, but someone fit for the job instead.
How many western leaders have we had that have proven to be less then honest... and how many leaders world wide have to proven to fall short of the mark.
(V): It is possible that governments in general develop psychopathic tendencies of self-preservation, and become ruthless predators to accomplish this. They become beasts apart from the people they rule or ostensibly represent. We know that it is often people who seek power, who rise to the top of the political-economic chain. And those are the worst kinds of people to be in charge. That is why Plato said it would take a Philosopher-King (a man who didn't want the job) to establish a truly just society. He also said democracies inevitably devolve into oligarchies, then tyrannies. Looks like he may have been right.
The Usurper: Mmmmm so many rumours over the A bomb drops on Japan. Some say it was to end the war quickly, some say it was to see the actual consequences of the use of such devices for future reference, some say it was to frighten the Russians.
Czuch: Fear and terror like certain leaders have used before can give them the right to get away with murder.
Terrorism has been with us for years, some independent, some supported by certain governments in order for them to enjoy playing their stupid power games.
If 911 was not Osma Bin Laden (as the FBI now seem to be saying) then who?
Asunto: Re:One word on why the buildings had to come down: "Shock and Awe"
Artful Dodger: Gotta catch a snooze while you can. :o)
It's snowing cats & dogs here! Whoopedoo! (rare in GA)
Yes....to create terror.
Also consider that the perpetrators (if the U.S. Government) were in charge of the crime scene & the investigation, not to mention they control the corporate media. And small-scale false-flag operations had already been tried & tested & proven doable. 9/11, then, would be the biggie, the one they'd been aiming for, to bring about their major objectives. In this scenario, the main reason they thought they wouldn't get caught would have to be....Hubris.
(I'm writing to Art here but also trying to answer some of Czuch's objections)
(V): You're doing yeoman service while I sleep. Just got up to peek.
A good book on Dresden is Vonnegut's "Slaughterhouse Five." He was there, a prisoner of war. We also firebombed cities in Japan before dropping the big ones.
Hey, I have a plan..... we dont like dealing with the idiots in Iran.... lets send a nuke into the heartland of the US, kill millions of people, then show some fake evidence that iran did it!!! Yeah, yeah, thats the ticket.... then we can blow the living crap out of Iran, and have the blessing of the whole world behind us, maybe even get someone else to do it for us! Brilliant!!
Czuch: and my point is that the US government did not have to use such an elaborate scheme to promote the fear and anger they needed to help implement more of their imperialistic urges...
really, just blow up one WTC, and blame some terror group from the middle east, that would have accomplished the same results, without near the risk of being caught at it as what they supposedly got away with
Asunto: Re: maybe because I've different perspectives being British and as Czuch keeps saying "a liberal" then to a repub. To me it's clear, not a dance.
Asunto: Re:It's like when the USA bombed Dresden (sp) with fire bombs, it was not necessary but they did it.
(V): Maybe it wasn't Bush
Well according to Usurper, it was not just Bush but most of the government and now including Obama, and how many more that are backing it and not one leak yet?
Asunto: Re:It's like when the USA bombed Dresden (sp) with fire bombs, it was not necessary but they did it.
Charles Martel: I know loads were used.... including 1000 bomber raids.
But from what I have read it looks like a lack of intelligence or the giving of such to Harris was a significant point. As he had not the clearance to know about ULTRA.
(ocultar) ¿Quieres jugar más partidas pero no terminas de decidir que tipo de juego empezar? Entra en un torneo con partidas aleatorias. (pauloaguia) (mostrar todos los consejos)