Artful Dodger: Only when they are clearly misguided.
No,I REALLY think you just like trying to show off that you think you are sooooo smart..well,goodie for you on that :)

Czuch: and remember.... it just a down payment!!!
You keep bringing this up but to be honest,I dont recall OBAMA ever playing the race card....to be fair,I thought this year was probably one of the better years for BOTH guys that were running,they BOTH ran decent campaings..
Anywho...you guys always commenting about us "Bush haters" and "Bush Bashers" how we WANTED him to fail...which for me couldn't be farther from the truth...but now it sounds like you guys WANT Obama to fail...No matter had your Rep. gotten into the whitehouse,NIETHER guy would have had an easy road. WHY would you want ANY President to fail? I wished Bush BEST OF LUCK on BOTH terms....you guys don't even seem to be givng Obama a chance

Charles Martel: He'll have his share,I won't be surprised at all by the inevitable backlash when people learn he's flesh and blood and can't walk on water.

Jim Dandy: You are right. he has a lot of fish to fry. how many days until the Michael Moore attack movie comes out??

Artful Dodger: I've heard experts suggest otherwise,regardless,he took away the toy,he has much bigger fish to fry

Artful Dodger: He took the oath again strictly to short curcuit the usual suspects who latch onto these types of things,it happens in both parties.He has much more important issues on his plate.This had the potential to create needless white noise.

Artful Dodger: Thats just about the way it was explained on the news, Obama would be president officially even tho he hasn't taken the oath yet

... all the giddy liberals today.... just so excited that America is excited.... but just point out that Bush had a 93% popularity rating at one point or that Reagan had 5 million more viewers for his inauguration than Obama did.... all you get is blank stares!!!

Poor excited liberals.... they think they have something never achieved before.. how wrong they could be.... and remember.... it just a down payment!!!

Czuch: Biden

Guess I got here too late for this one.... but I heard that the constitution actually stiupulates that the new president is in charge at high noon, and that even though the oath of office was actually taken about 5 minutes after noon, Obama was still in charge before then...


although it is a moot point now, it would be interesting to know the legalities... what if it was 1 minute after noon and before the oath was administered, and the secret service had to go to the president, who would it have been?

Artful Dodger: and you just LOVE correcting people,don't ya

Artful Dodger: oh hell dan who cares how many times it is taken as long as someone gets it right and obama can get on with make americans a better life hell he already put a freeze on the high paid aides so thats a start

Artful Dodger: sweet louise...chill out

Bernice: doesn't matter...they had "experts" on tonight and said he IS president....hehehehe constitutional experts....seems a pretty boring job

Jim Dandy: if you listen to the words and see a transcript of what was said he left out ONE word.......

If he'd said it jokingly,it would be no big deal,but he pursues it with a straight face.

Jim Dandy: omg

Jim Dandy: he really did stuff it up didnt he....

Chris Wallace questions if Obama is actually President,after Roberts flub

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=_LUtNway9x4

Foxy Lady:

Have you ever worked in a soup kitchen?

No I havent, but I guess you have some point in the question?

Bernice: I thought she looked nice...I also like that she choose some very small fashion designer that only puts her stuff in a very small number of boutiques,and she doesn't advertise her stuff because her budget doesn't allow for it...maybe by Michelle wearing her design,she will have opened up a new door for the designer to make a name for herself.

Jim Dandy: nice AUDI

Mousetrap: ROFL.......

Artful Dodger: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22887506#22887506

Bernice: I bet in a week or so all they will be looking forward to is kicking off thier shoes, putting thier night clothes on, letting thier hair down and locking the door while having a gin or two! Lol!

Mousetrap: yes I think you could be right but at least she could look good while they sort all the troubles LOL

Bernice: I think that is the least of Michelle and Obama,s worries lmbo!

having watched part of the pomp and ceremony I only have one thing to wish for.

PLEASE can someone tell Michelle how to do her hair and how to dress appropriately.....she looked like she had bought her outfit from Target......such a pity....

Ted Kennedy was taken out of the Statuary Hall luncheon after suffering an apparent seizure -- a few minutes after Sen. Robert Byrd was removed in his wheelchair under the supervision of medical personnel.

"He was there when the voting rights act passed….so I would be lying to you if I did not say that right now a part of me is with him, I think that’s true for all of us," Obama told dignitaries gathered at his Congressional lunch . "It’s a joyous time but it’s also a sobering time..My prayers are with him and his family."

White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, who attended the lunch, said he had heard Kennedy was "doing better," citing Kennedy's fellow Massachusetts Democrat John Kerry.

House Chaplain Daniel Coughlin, who observed Kennedy's treatment by paramedics, said he appeared to be conscious and "responding" to treatment.

Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX) said Kennedy's hand began shaking and he appeared to have "seizure" or "a stroke" and was almost immediately helped by emergency personnel.

Byrd was conscious and had been having trouble eating, according to a witness.

Kennedy, who underwent brain cancer surgery last year, was taken to the Rayburn room after suffering an apparent convulsion before being rushed to a hospital, House officials told our Patrick O'Connor.

A police radio picked up a call for paramedics to help someone stricken with a seizure, O'Connor said

Czuch: Have you ever worked in a soup kitchen?

anastasia:

If I am ever homeless and need help I will turn to a local agency for it....

Druggies and alcoholics and mentally ill dont set up shop for months on the perfect highway off ramp and aggressively defend that area from others who come along and try to do the same thing!

These people arent looking for real help, have you ever offered on of them some food??? They get all pissed off, they arent hungry, they want money...


How exactly are you really helping someone anyway, when you give them some cash on the street corner????? Did you really help that mentally ill person???? Did you really help that alcoholic by throwing a couple of bucks his way???? If throwing some cash at these off ramp beggars is really helping them, then why are they still out there a year later???? It cant be doing them much good, all you are doing for them at best is giving them another day withotu any of the help that they really need!!!!

Tuesday:

Concerning the last sentence (in my link) by Beals, I agree with her about it being a gift for all America.


That is just so wrong on so many different levels, its not even worth the time to try and debate it....

But just remember, in the words of the black community leadership...... "this is just a down payment"....

Czuch: hopefully one day the shoe wont be on the other foot and you are homeless...and hopefully the people wont say to themselves as they look at you....ehhh,what a scam that guy has going....you shouldn't judge people Chuck...you have NO CLUE what is going on with their lives......maybe some are mentally ill after Nam?? maybe some are suffering from depression?? Drugs,alchol? Maybe some have been abused and turned out onto the streets as kids and dont know any other way TO live.....the system helps only a few..it's total BS to think the local systems help everyone,if that was the case,their would be no homeless.

Bernice:

WOW....25,000 strong police force to guard one man....do you think that will stop the white supremacists(sp) if they "rebel"?


...ever tried to stop a young kid strapped full of explosives from blowing up himself and everything around them????

anastasia: There is no way to prove that every single person begging on a hot street corner is a scammer.... but there is also no way to prove that every single star in the sky is really a star..... its called science, you take a representative sample population and you draw conclusions based on that sample.

I am not trying to say that I know the exact percentage of scammers, I do know that at least the people in this news report were all scammers, so I can say for certain that there are some scammers.

Anywho.. tuesday assets that it is likely these people are on the street corners because the local shelters are too full, and the local food bank ran out of food etc.... which I might be able to believe for a few and on a random basis, but when they are the same people out there month after month???

I just think it is a smarter bet to give your money to a local agency than to someone on a street corner. Its like feeding the bird in an open air restaurant.... if nobody does it, they will soon learn to not come around..... everytime you roll down your window and throw cash, you are only creating more of a problem, dumb liberals....

Czuch: Also, I would say that the "homeless" who fight over the best traffic corners to beg for money are mostly 100% scammers. No, I have no actual proof, but you also dont have any proof that they are not scammers,
BUT,I am not the one throwing these accusations around about them being fakes...again...YOU guys ALWAYS hound for facts,examples,blah blah...so,lets have them or you have no right to really be debating it on a debates board


AD says...Not everything demand proof. And I didn't say you need to offer proof, but that you had to offer valid reasons for your assertions. .....
untill someone challanges one of YOU then you don't need a valid reason for your assertions..
I love you guys,your really to funny

WOW....25,000 strong police force to guard one man....do you think that will stop the white supremacists(sp) if they "rebel"?

Czuch: Obama is smart,he is going to try and steamroll his agenda by gathering bi partisan support,and those who stand in the way will be considered to be standing in the way of American progress.

unite an conquer

Jim Dandy:

It will be interesting to hear him tomorrow talking about ideals like personal responsibility, and see if he attacks and blames and presses for the achievers, or if he will be talking to the non achievers as well?

Jim Dandy: Got to admit the guy delivers a well written speech better than most.....

Jim Dandy: I think part of what you see from Fox is a reflection of the past 8 years, where there was a need to balance much of the mainstream news that was so heavily slanted.... that made them seem like they leaned conservative, and based mostly on their non news stuff they do.

But lets see where the next 8 years takes us with Fox. If the mainstream news continues to drool over everything Obama and they give him a pass IE inaugural spending, then we shall probably see more of the same from fox, out to try and give some balance. But if the mainstream media uses the same guile in reporting on Obama as they did with Bush, then you might even end up saying that Fox leans to the left a bit, because they will again try to balance what you might typically hear.


Point is... when 95% of news is biased to the left, or course anybody who brings some balance to that coverage is going to appear themselves to lean right. It doesnt mean that Fox does lean right, only that to give a balanced coverage in todays market place they will always appear to lean right, its just the circumstances of the way things have been the past 8 years.

This is the way to being to bridge the gap,good for Obama

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=261763

anastasia: Also, I would say that the "homeless" who fight over the best traffic corners to beg for money are mostly 100% scammers. No, I have no actual proof, but you also dont have any proof that they are not scammers, so given that nobody has any proof here, except the local news who did hidden camera stories on many of them here in Florida, wouldnt you prefer to give your money to some local charity who has the time and resources to make sure that your money is going to people who really need it?


That gets me back to Tuesday and her "I dont mind giving my money to the government to let them do things for us"..... when you complain about Katrina and the many other things our government does badly..... I just dont understand how in one breath people can be so critical of the government, and then in the next think that their tax dollars are spent more frugally to help people than we could do spending the money ourselves more at the local level?????


It seems so basic to me...if I need my driveway paved, am I better off taking my money to a local contractor and getting er done? Or to give my money to the Feds and let them take care of it for me????

Its a no brainer really.... your money will always be spent better and more wisely and more efficiently when you spend it yourself over letting a bureaucratic nightmare or the government do it for you!

Conservatives dont want the homeless to get a job (well we do) but we just dont think that growing the government and increasing taxes is the best solution for solving our problems, and that the less we rely on government to solve our problems the better chance of having the problems resolved anyway!

Artful Dodger: I think you give too too little acknowledgement to the value of nuance in a presentation, Fox is Fox,according to you they're very misunderstood.I happen to think the general view of their presentation is in the ballpark.Where do you see Fox leaning?

anastasia:


The swearing in ceremony is about 1.2 million dollars, and the party budget is about 45 million or more..... the rest is security and porta potties

Artful Dodger: And I'm still waiting for a proper explanation of the film 2001