rod03801: That's certainly true on this board. I can own that. I'd gladly debate the issues with people here but honestly, there are few here that actually understand what a cogent argument looks like. You get only anecdotal evidence or the usual, "Well what about Bush?" Even Obama plays the "What about Bush?" card.

There are some serious issues with the way Obama is running this country. And even more serious concerns with the way the Democrats have ramrodded through their unpopular policies. When they are unseated, they won't understand that the US people are rejecting their ideas. They are the party of the arrogant.

The Republicans lost the last election for the same reason. And if they don't get back to what the people want, they will be voted out of office in the next go around.

I think it's time for term limits and some serious restrictions on how much money one can use in a campaign.

Lawmakers should have the same insurance and retirement programs as their other public servant counterparts. They get too many perks.

Anyone in public service at the highest levels, if they break the law, they should have all their money earned as public servants forfeited. And they should do double or triple jail time.

Tuesday: And all you ever did was bad mouth his decisions. YOu called the tea party derogatory names, Republican's vultures, and a host of other names. on and on and on

rod03801:

Tuesday: "On the human scale Bush and Cheney are just as bad as the terrorists."

"It's human nature to want to retaliate against barbarians....which Bush and Cheney are."

If you say you wanted Bush to succeed, you meant succeed at YOUR ideas not his.

Frankly I don't care about Bush any longer as he's NOT the prez. Obama is and Obama's record is worse than any recent President INCLUDING Carter.

Tuesday: You NEVER said that.

I want Obama to fail. And so far, he's doing just that.

Übergeek 바둑이: Bush isn't the President.

Please do the math. In 234 years, we borrowed 9 trillion dollars. That's 12168 months. That's a Trillion every 152 months or every 12.6 years.

Obama has borrowed 3.5 Trillion in just 19 months. That's 2241.5 TRILLION over the 234 years. It's NOT just a little more than Bush, it's significantly more. It's insane. It's more than ALL other past presidents COMBINED.

The Col:

The Col: The big difference is that Obama is a dunce when it comes to running a country. Did you NOT see how much money that idiot is borrowing against our future? Did you not see the comparison over the last 200 plus years vrs his 19 months in office? How about the fact that the Democrats, under his leadership, passed a health care bill complete with loads of earmarks - some for the most ridiculous of things. It can't be paid for and will likely be repealed. Do you, like many of your liberal friends, not get it that Obama is a failure as a president? He's so unpopular that many would rather have Bush back?

You're so disingenuous. Opportunistic. So eager to point a finger without owning up to your own choices. Look back on your own posts and clean up your own bashings, both subtle and overt. Then you'll have the credibility with me and I'll listen.

But you won't. Have any of you libs actually made a coherent case for Obama's policies?

no

Try that sometime. Something that's not dripping with the usual sarcasm. Til then, you get what you give.

The Col: disingenuous

The Col: You must mean like you libs showed for Bush. Free Speech here. We like to use it. You object to my Constitutional right to free speech? tsk, tsk

From the moment Washington took the oath of office to the moment Obama took the oath, the US had borrowed 9 trillion dollars. In the last 19 months, we've borrowed 3.5 trillion dollars. You do the math. And Obama plans to borrow more.

They are doing this:

Well, some apparently do. Remember, Obama took Ohio. That was then.

An Ohio poll - run by a democratic group
asked "Who would Ohio voters rather have as a President?

George W, Bush 50%
Barack Obama 42%

"GERRY": Republican's will control both the House and Senate and they won't let him.

Hey Dems, it's pay back time. Bye Bye Pelosi hello Congressional investigations of Democratic corruption. Lots to choose from too.

From the moment Washington took the oath of office to the moment Obama took the oath, the US had borrowed 9 trillion dollars. In the last 19 months, we've borrowed 3.5 trillion dollars. You do the math. And Obama plans to borrow more.

asked "Who would Ohio voters rather have as a President?

George W, Bush 50%
Barack Obama 42%

"GERRY": The others reply too but they never really say anything.

Bernice: that's what happens when i stop posting for a while

Übergeek 바둑이: If Obama were Republican he'd wouldn't be for huge spending on entitlements and wouldn't surround himself with so many incompetents.

BTW, in case you lemmings missed it, a democrat wrote that.

The great author, James Thurber, wrote a short story titled "Conversation with a Lemming."

The crux of the story is that a guy walking through the woods meets a lemming and they sit down and talk. At the end of the story, the guy says to the lemming, "You know, I never understood why every few years, you lemmings get together and commit suicide by marching into the sea."

The lemming responds, "That's interesting. I never understood why you humans don't."

Well, as concerns the Democratic Party, it seems the lemming was wrong. We've committed political suicide for the past three elections, even if it meant that that the Republicans had to pick up a sea and place it in front of us. The point is we walked into it anyway and, for the most part, didn't scream foul.

Well, how about 2006 and 2008? Are we going to go on being lemmings? So far, I don't see any Democrat shrieking about the sea that's still in our path. (Read no verifiable, election paper trails and voter disenfranchisement into that.)

The Col: Now bite me.

The Col: You play ignorant. There is no comparison and you know it. There's no getting through to people who choose to be dishonest. So that's why I ignore you.

Tuesday: um yeah, bwild can chat here just like anyone. Who are you to tell him to take it anywhere?

Tuesday: when liberals have no points to make (none that really matter) then always try to marginalize the opposition. But everyone knows that Fox is the only new outlet that consistently presents the liberal point of view along with conservative (and libertarian) and anything in-between. The other media outlets (NBC ABC, CBS, and their cable affiliates) are cheerleaders for Obama.

Get a tingle in your leg for Obama lately? You don't hear that crap on Fox.

Tuesday: you're entertainment too

According the Neilson Ratings:



<span>CABLE NEWS RACE

MON. AUG 30, 2010

VIEWERS

• FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,977,000
• FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,645,000
• FOXNEWS BECK 2,600,000
• FOXNEWS BAIER 2,097,000
• FOXNEWS SHEP 1,858,000
• FOXNEWS GRETA 1,856,000
• MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,078,000
• MSNBC MADDOW 1,027,000
• MSNBC SHULTZ 699,000
• CNN SANCHEZ 676,000
• CNN KING 620,000
• MSNBC HARDBALL 620,000
• CNNHN GRACE 586,000
• CNN COOPER 581,000

The liberal mainstream media continues to dwindle and The New Media (<span>internet, blogs, FOX News) continue to rise.

<span>August 31, 2010

Charity begins at home

<span>Ralph Alter

Johnson
awarded nine to eleven scholarships a year from 2005 to 2008, the most
recent years for which information was available. Each of those years,
three or four winners were related to her or her district director, Rod
Givens.....Scholarships have gone to two of the Congresswoman's
grandsons, Kirk and David Johnson; to two of her great-nephews, Gregory
and Preston Moore: and to Givens' son and daughter. Givens did not
respond to requests for comment, and none of the scholarship recipients
could be reached....Of 43 scholarships awarded between 2005 and 2008, 15
went to relatives of Johnson or Givens..

Ferris Bueller: Now, instead of hiding, prove your claim.

Ferris Bueller: YOu have no case to rest. You've never ever made any case here. Just sound bites.

Tuesday: That's actually a good anology of how many on the left support Obama. They drink the Obama koolaid and get their buzz. The media has been doing this since he was first running. But the "buzz" is wearing off. Former supporters are now his critics.

Tuesday: That's ok, the only one that makes any sense is me anyway.

Ferris Bueller: Spoken like a true liberal.

How come you don't admit that NONE OF THAT was present at the Beck rally?

And are you aware that many of those signs were from liberal plants?

How about you demonstrate your claim with some actual news report and substantial evidence? (not just he said she said nonsense)

I can do that against liberals all day long. They have no message which is why they do so much name calling.

The majority of Americans reject Obama's policies. They are saying "NO" to him in a huge way. In his arrogance, he won't listen.

Even democrats are against him and that number is increasing. It's gonna get worse. Much worse.

Tuesday: No one does this better than the left.

Ferris Bueller: More excuses. Own your demons.

Tuesday: He's too radical for America. The writing's on the wall. It's only going to get worse for him.

Are you opposed to Obamacare or illegal immgration? You’re a racist. Are you opposed to gay marriage? You’re a homophobe. Did you oppose Elana Kagan’s appointment to the Supreme Court? You’re a sexist. After less than two years of complete Democrat control of government, there aren’t many Americas progressives haven’t accused of some sort of bigotry for simply having an opinion different from theirs. The politics of “hope” and “change” have devolved into exactly what those espousing them claimed they would end. Is this really Democrat’s plan to win votes in November?

Barack Obama campaigned under the banner of unity and ending the “politics of division.” But that banner was swiftly furled and the true banner of progressive politics began flying over our country. Progressivism leaves no room for debate or disagreement. To paraphrase former President Bush, to progressives you’re either with them or you’re with the enemy.

During the Obamacare debate, opponents were compared to opponents of civil rights legislation. The ethically challenged Congressman from New York, Charlie Rangel, said “The group that were in Washington fighting against the health bill and fighting against the President, [they] looked just like and sounded just like those groups that attacked the civil rights movement in the South.” Left-wing blogs ran with this mantra and agenda-driven media outlets like MSNBC dutifully followed. They still advance the lie that African-American Members of Congress were pelted with racial slurs as they walked to cast their vote, something even the New York Times has acknowledged there is zero evidence of.

The ends justify the means, no matter how sickening and divisive the means.

When a judge in California overturned Proposition 8, a ballot measure that defined marriage as being between one man and one woman which was passed by voters, these self-appointed champions of democracy cheered its undermining. Whatever your opinion on the issue, it was a rather ironic turn for people who use the word “democracy” as though they respect it.

When Elena Kagan was nominated to the Supreme Court without much of a record, opposition to this life-time appointment was called sexist all across the left-wing echo chamber. Blogs were replete with this unfounded charge, with headlines like “Not-So-Subtle Sexism at the Kagan Hearings” from the blog at Ms. Magazine.

The bigotry arrow has become the default weapon in the progressive’s quiver, only it’s lost its sting.

When Arizona passed a state law allowing police to enforce federal law on immigration, progressives cried racism. It couldn’t be that a majority of Arizonans, and Americans, simply support forcing immigrants to enter the country legally – opponents needed to be painted as bigots.

When 9/11 families expressed discomfort with building a Mosque two blocks from where Muslin extremists senselessly murdered their loved ones they were ignored by Progressives. Why? Because attacking them is a losing proposition. So they attacked those who sided with them, many of whom are Republicans, as bigots. They’ve basically ignored Democrats, including Howard Dean and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who’ve said the same things. Opponents are not trying to “block” the Mosque, Progressives claim, yet no law to stop it has been proposed. They’ve made appeals to sensitivity, nothing more.

Progressives, who act as sensitivity police for others, attack Republicans for standing with people who have every reason to be sensitive.

The difference between right and left on these issues is the right attempts to change hearts and minds; the left simply accused opponents of bigotry. This makes sense when you realize how unpopular their initiatives have been; if you can’t get people to vote for you, try to discourage them from voting at all. It’s a strategy – if you can’t win someone’s vote, convince them the alternative is a bigot, because who wants to vote for a racist, homophobe or sexist? They’re hoping people will stay home on November 2nd.

Progressives show little concern for the will of the people. They have an agenda, and nothing is going to stand in the way of achieving it. They will lie, they will demonize, they will do anything to achieve it.

In their zeal to advance that agenda they’ve gone farther than they ever have before and thus exposed their true nature. Progressives have accused about 90 percent of the country of bigotry, in one form or another. On every one of the issues listed above polls show the American people are unambiguously not buying the spin and siding with their opponents. That’s a fact progressives will learn the hard way when it comes time for these “bigots” to vote.

Bwild: That is a great sign! And the fact is, many who voted for Obama are embarrassed. I've heard more liberals talk about "buyer's remorse" when reflecting on Obama's promises and his delivery. He said one thing, he did another. He's under-handed and totally unqualified to be President. He's a fish out of water. He's clueless. And he's ruining America. He's surrounded by a bunch of incompetents who are clueless on how to effectively run a government. Liberals need to wake up. They are losing the debate (they've lost long ago) and if they want to have a voice in government, they need to govern from the center.

Had Obama governed from the center, he'd have been successful. Can a liberal name one thing he's accomplished? He's done a lot of things, but they are all bad for America. He's ruined any chance for a black man to become president IF that black man is also a liberal. America won't trust a black liberal for a long time to come. Obama's deception has seen to that.

Embarrassed yet? Yes, the whole nation is embarrassed. Obama is a global embarrassment.

GTCharlie: One of many that can be pointed out. Sharpton is a bit of a racist. If you're black, he's there. Truth be damned. If a black person makes the accusation against a white, Sharpton will milk it with no regard for the truth. When confronted, he twists things. I saw him do this very thing today when asked about his comments at his rally. The video said one things, but on camera Sharpton denied saying it.

GTCharlie: I can. It's Sharpton. A no brainer. He's a complete liar.

Tuesday: Because Beck is a class act. Kudos to Beck for standing up to principles and admitting an error in judgment.

Obama Zombie Praises Obama for Free Gas & Housing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZjcFp60DJc&feature=related

Hey Peggy, hows that free gas working for ya now?

This is how Conservatives leave the grounds of a rally. Neat and clean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NioIQc6hA8M&feature=player_embedded#!

This is how libs leave it - decimated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMrJE7J3fWU&feature=player_embedded:

Obama Zombies "Trash" The Capitol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWSsIYUDtNg&feature=related

Keep in mind that these liberal zombies are the one that claim to be eco-conscience.

The Col: Your side stopped making sense long ago and that's why the country is turning against the libs. A huge majority of Americans of all stripes are turning (and have turned) away from the liberal agenda. It's not what the people want for the country.

The tea party has ideas. Liberal have lies and name calling.