(V):  He was in office 12 days when he was nominated.  The nominations closed on Feb 1.  He did nothing to even deserve a nomination let alone win.  It's a meaningless prize.

(V):  Where has he lowered tensions?

Pedro Martínez:  I totally agree with you on this one.  It makes no sense to me.  Neither did giving it to Gore make sense.  There are more deserving candidates.  Obama has yet to prove himself.  He was an unknown last year and hasn't been in office long enough to make a significant difference in the world. 

Bwild: Only one possibility:  We blow up everybody else and then destroy our stockpile.  Otherwise, it's never gonna happen.

(V):  You crack me up.  These arguments of yours are so lame and so old and so hasbeen it baffles me that you think there is any merit in them.  There are plenty of liberal organizations that partake in violence against both people and property.  Are you willing to blame the liberal establishment for these crimes?

How about rape?  Who do yo blame for that?  Sex in the City???

How lame.

Ferris Bueller:  He fantasized about killing Michael Moore.  lol.  Who hasn't? 

Übergeek 바둑이:  I think lobbying should be outlawed.  It's not always been allowed.  The government represents the people, not the corporations.  I think Unions ought to be banned from lobbying especially.   I quit the teacher's union because of their political action crap. 

My bottom line is this:  Fix what's broken.  Minimal government intervention.  Set high standards for qualifying for any public health care.  Focus on personal responsibility.  I grew up poor (relatively) and in a family of 9.  I put myself through school while married and with two kids.   I am not yet 60 and am debt free.  Completely.  Keep in mind Im a teacher.  I don't make much.   I don't accept the excuses I hear from others on how hard their lives are.  I grew up in the inner city.  There were gangs where I grew up.  I witnessed gang fights.  There were certain areas within walking distance to my home that we were told never to go.  I could have a thousand excuses why I need government help.   But I simply had a strong work ethic and believe that paying one's own way is right.  Sucking off others is wrong.   Many people who are for public health care are for it for one of two or three reasons:  It absolves them of personal responsibility to look out for others.   For politicans, who really don't give a rat's behind, it means votes, and for those who would benefit, it means they can continue being lazy excuse making do-nothings who think the world owes them.  Only a small percentage of people are actually entitled to help out of a real need.  The rest are lazy slobs.  

(V):Madoff was involved in social programs??? 

(V):  There's nothing to prove.  I never made the claim you challenged.  And you of all people don't get a pass on the "show me" request.  I think your favorite reply on this is: I've already explained that.  

(V):  You could try just being rational. 

(V):   Nope.  

(V):
Why is the government a worse option? Fraud and incompetence are everywhere.

(V):  Wrong again.  My words:

The government is a far worse option.

Nothing the government ever does with regard to social programs works. 
They all go bankrupt.  They are a bunch of incompetents.  It will end
up costing the US taxpayer far more than most are currently paying. 
and it's a fact that anyone can get health care treatment in America
regardless of the ability to pay.

Your false claim:  No. your statement was that government is worse than private in fraud and overpricing.

See, you've created a strawman.  Nice try.  But I never said that.  You either don't listen or you are deliberately twisting things.  Maybe both.  Reread what I said.  Lay off the beer. 

(V):   We're talking about government insurance.  Stick to the subject. 

(V):  The government is a far worse option. 

(V):  You have to look at the long term benefits vrs drawbacks.  Keep what's working, fix only the broken elements of health care.

Nothing the government ever does with regard to social programs works.  They all go bankrupt.  They are a bunch of incompetents.  It will end up costing the US taxpayer far more than most are currently paying.  and it's a fact that anyone can get health care treatment in America regardless of the ability to pay.

(V):  I'm not worried.  In one year the Dems will be out of power as they will be a Repub majority.  Obama will have 2 years left of his  lame duck presidency.  He'll never get reelected.  He will lose big time because his ideas are too radical. 

We need fresh blood in congress.  the old guard are out of touch.

(V):  You still don't get it.  The way a boycott works is one group complains and the advertisers respond to the complaints.  They are no responding to the show, but to the complainers.  Two can play that game.  Thousands more are boycotting the boycotters.  

The law is on our side:  Our right to boycott. 

gogul:  Beck rants against the corruption.  He speaks for middle America.   America apparently wasn't ready for a black president.  Seems one cannot criticize a black pres without being labeled a racist.  And it's a fact that Obama's policies will disproportionately favor blacks.   Affirmative action is wrong.  It still discriminates.  A black getting a job over a white because of his blackness is just as wrong as the other way around.  But go after affirmative action and you get labeled a racist. 

I see nowhere in anything Beck has ever said that would constitute hate speech.  That's another one of those tools of the left.  Play the race card or label speech hate.  Silence the opposition at all costs.  Marginalize. 

Beck is right. 

(V):  http://defendglenn.com/advertisers.php

(V):  I will join the the thousands that are boycotting the boycotters

(V):  You are so uninformed.  The Huffington post is A FAR LEFT BLOG!

Interesting tidbit:  Color of Change is behind the boycotts convincing advertisers to pull out of Beck's program.  And who is one of the founders?  Van Jones. 

Fox is NUMBER 1!!!   No advertiser is going to go to MSNBC where they will get a few thousand viewers when they can go to any Fox slot they want and get millions of viewers.

It's not accident that Fox is number 1.  People need to get over that fact.  Otherwise cheese will be served with the whine. 

V:  On Carter's meaning:  you're way off base again.   On Beck, who cares.  His show is number one.  It's not about Beck, it's about the issues. 

BTW, Beck was given the Key to the City where he grew up.  There were hundreds of protesters.  But the supporters outnumbered the protesters. 

Free speech.  Look in the history of American politics.  You'll see lots of caracitures of American presidents.  Frankly I think the money goes too far.  But blacks need to get over it.  I'm tired of the race card.  It's easy to ignore morons that make signs like that.  They are NOT in the majority.  They just get the press.

(V):  google it

I grew up in the sixties and I've seen true racism.  It was displayed on TV every day.  In my lifetime, I've witnessed it first hand.  I've seen it in history and it's an ugly ugly thing.

But many people today cheapen what is real racism by playing the race card at every opportunity.  Calling Obama a racist is NOT a racist comment unless the comment itself was motivated only by the fact that Obama is black.  That is the single criterion for a racist comment. 

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are both racists.  They have shown throughout their careers that they favor blacks over whites AND blacks over truth.   Favoring a black man's position over a white man's position only because of the black man's blackness, is racism. 

Does true racism exist today?  Yes.  I saw evidence of it just the other day.  A black man was attacked by three whites as he walked down a street on his way home.  Three whites in red pickup truck jumped out and attacked him. They yelled racial slurs etc and like a pack of wolves they cornered him and beat and kicked him.  Clearly a racist act.  Caught on tape too and the morons were caught and are now in jail where they belong.

Someone is a racist when they show a consistent pattern of racist behaviors.  Obama is a legitimate target  for criticism of all kinds.  He's a public figure and as such, he is subject to the same rules of engagement all public figures must endure.   I don't think that Obama is a racist, but I do agree with Beck that Obama has huge issues with the white culture.  And Obama clearly wants to restructure America in a way that will disproportionately favor blacks.  That's a fact.  His ideas will clearly favor blacks.  Beck explained this fact and has been consistent on this point.

Notice too that instead of talking about the real problems that Obama is bringing to the US and even the world, notice that instead of talking about the fraud and corruption that Beck and others have exposed, there are those on the net, in the media, and on this forum, that focus on a person and NOT the issues.

That plays right into the hands of the left wing loons.  People ought not to be so easily manipulated.  What's the real issue here?  In the case of ACORN, it's the fraud and corruption of that group.  It's not about the fact that two journalists produced an undercover video. It's not about the fact that Fox played the videos and ran the story.  It's about the fact of Acorn corruption.  People ought to be outraged that a taxpayer funded organization was willing to provide services to people for the sole purpose of promoting underage prostitution.  That's the story.  Wise up folks.

gogul:  Van Jones himself called himself a communist. 

gogul:

gogul:  Van Jones' own words were used against him.  People got to read his writings and hear his speeches.  Questions were then asked.  The result was an outrage.  Van Jones is a radical.  You can't get much farther left in this country.  He's an avowed communist.   No one smeared the man.  Just revealed his true colors - in his own words. 

Vikings:  That's exactly right.  I think that there will be more troubles for Acorn in the near future.  The egg currently on their face will still be wet when the next egg splats. 

Vikings:  Which is exactly the reason Acorn is suing those two journalists.  They want to distract us from the real issue.  Acorn has been caught on numerous occasions engaging in illegal and unethical activities.  All this on the US taxpayer dime. 

Pedro Martínez:  I doubt that is Beck's position on illegal aliens.  He sees the system as broken.  He opposes ignoring the problems (like letting illegal criminals go because it's politically correct to support illegals).  He opposes allowing illegals to cross our borders unchecked.  He opposes giving illegals amnesty.  They broke the law.  What does it matter WHY they broke the law.  We operate by the rule of law.  Sob stories are no excuse for breaking the law. 

Among the many truly needy people crossing our borders, there are terrorists, outlaws, and trash (as in trashy people). 

The current system is exploitative.   Politicians exploit the situation for votes and popularity, others for financial reasons.  Meanwhile the problems persist. 

It's not too much to ask of the US government to do their constitutional duty.  

Übergeek 바둑이:  Nonsense.   Out of context quotes are meaningless.  I've listened to him nearly everyday and if he were a true racist, it would be obvious. 

Some illegals are terrorists.  Some are outlaws.  And many can't make money in their own dirtbag country (Mexico). 

But the key word is illegal.  They break the law by crossing the border improperly.   It's the responsibility of the US President to secure our borders.   US citizens have a right to expect that.

(V):  shhhhhh, I'm watching Glen Beck.  He's making great points as I write this!!! 

(V):  His show is number one.

The Young Turks were offered a slot by MSNBC. 

That says it all. 

(V):  weak

(V):  BTW, using excerpts from "The Young Turks" show as evidence against Beck is like using an excerpt from Beck's show as evidence against them.  You can't get much more far left than that group. 

(V):  Seen it.  He'd vote for Palin. 

(V):"There is fraud everywhere.... Agreed?"

Everywhere?  Even under the couch?   In principle I agree.  But that alone doesn't mean that everyone is a fraud.   Clearly that's not the case.

Palin was the best choice for President.  Better than ANY other choice. 

(V):  waiting for my pm

(V):  Beck is right about most things.   He's exposed a lot of fraud in the White House.  Recently he exposed a few things about John McCain.  He said McCain would have been worse for the country than Obama.  

If Obama was white, and McCain black, Beck would have been called a racist for that comment.   That's how the game is played.

Bwild: Obama has direct ties to ACORN but  is trying to distance his relational ties to that organization.  Unfortunately for him, he's on VIDEO promising them a voice in the President's decisions. 

(V):I saw that program live.  It was funny and Beck makes a good point.   But nowhere did I see him play any race card.  He's talking about illegal immigration.  Note the word illegal.  Yeah.  But blundered here big time.  Do you know what the US Constitution has to say about that?  I do. 

The Young Turks is a far left internet radio outfit.  What else would you expect from them? 

(V):  Send the others to me via PM.  Unless of course you have nothing to send.  Which is what I suspect.  Hot air flows up. 

(V):  Send those links in a PM.  There, yer out of excuses.

(V):  Just as I thought.  You have no examples to offer.  If you make the claim, back it up.  Otherwise it's clear that you are the one who is running on empty. 

(V):  I have seen one video where he was interviewed on Fox and Friends.  He clearly says he thinks Obama is a racist.  I've seen that one before.  You are claiming that Beck plays the race card.  I don't see it.  So if this one video you have is all you've got, you've got nothing. 

Like I said, you don't get the race card ploy.  YOu only think you do.

(V):  So you can't really offer any examples then. 

(V):  Then you should have no trouble showing several examples of where Beck played the race card.  Go for it.