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Iamon lyme: You shouldn't answer my questions cuz now Emma thinks she has proof you're me or I'm you. As if a student of the Bible wouldn't know what I meant. I'm not sure if it's actually a word as it comes up empty in google but in Bing.com you get this: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070102182956AAghHXZ
Bwild: It's not blind faith. It's much more but what we view as evidence others reject. An atheist (former) who rejected the argumets for the Christian faith came to be a believer and began using the same arguments he once rejected. It's a matter of belief and perspective and proper interpretation.
Asunto: Re: Like adding 6 trillion to the national debt isn't bad enough now it matters how he spent it
(V): Oh he spent much more than 6 trillion. He spent so much that he had to borrow that much and it won't be paid back for generations. What matters it that it put the country in financial jeopardy. And as I said much was a waste.
Asunto: Re: 16 trillion in debt and it's climbing and Obama created the bulk of it.
(V): Like adding 6 trillion to the national debt isn't bad enough now it matters how he spent it. Millions wasted on failed green energy projects and millions more creating few jobs. Now it has to be paid back and in the meantime more is being spent. The Fed prints money. It's beyond stupid.
Iamon lyme: Don't waste your time with the atheists. They wouldn't believe it unless they saw it with their own eyes and God Himself would have to appear (which would kill them instantly). Even after that they'd blame it on bad pasta. ( Yet they will beleive in theories based on speculation as long as God isn't part of the equation. )
Asunto: Re: 16 trillion in debt and it's climbing and Obama created the bulk of it.
(V): You must not remember Obama's please right after taking office for the massive spending bills. New spending bills under Obama. His proposal. And under his administration 6 trillion more in debt.
Asunto: Re: It's bout 49% that don't pay Federal taxes.
Iamon lyme: I think that's exactly right. If Obama makes a slip up, they say nothing. If Romney farts, it's all over the news for weeks. I've seen Debbie Blabbermouth Schultz caught in a lie and when confronted, she lied about it. When a video was played showing she lied, she still lied and denied. And the press lets her get away with it. Only Fox confronted her.
Asunto: Re: It's bout 49% that don't pay Federal taxes.
Marshmud: It's sad that Romney is the best we could do. And sadder that even with the mess that Obama has created the race is still up for grabs. Clinton would be better. Reagan the best.
Asunto: Re: It's bout 49% that don't pay Federal taxes.
Marshmud: I have a friend who drives a better car, owns a more expensive car, buys stuff all the time, and pays zero federal taxes. He's exempt. He's a Vietnam vet, retired, and his wife is disabled. But if he can afford a 35 thousand dollar truck (or more - a gas hog too!) then why can't he at least pay something? He's capable of working but in the nearly 10 years I've known him he hasn't worked. He owns an RV and travels. But we never hear Obama asking these folks to pay at least something.
The rich, if they were to be taxed more, would do nothing for our debt. One stat I read said that what could be raised by taxing the rich more would be spent within 8 days under current spending. It's all a big lie by the liberals that the rich don't pay enough. The truth is that the tax codes are poorly written and it's the legislators that created the tax loopholes that everyone can use to avoid paying too much. Thousands of pages of tax codes that even the creators don't fully understand. We spend too much. Government is too big. They suck at running things (see the postal service for example). The government spends to spend. 16 trillion in debt and it's climbing and Obama created the bulk of it.
If I could I'd throw out all the liberals and all the far right and only keep those in the middle. That's the only way this country will thrive. Maybe Ron Paul is the best choice but he couldn't possibly win. But anyone is better than Obama. Even Mickey Mouse.
Asunto: Re: It's bout 49% that don't pay Federal taxes.
Marshmud: I'm actually not blaming the taxpayer. I'm really speaking to the dishonesty in the message of "fair share." Even if the rich paid more, it wouldn't amount to much. Not in the big picture of things.
We need less government and far less spending. What we do spend needs to be spent wisely. And the tax system needs to be completely redone. It's not fair that's for sure but it's not fair for all of us. Too many regulations and rules that are imposible to keep up with. I don't know about the flat tax but something has to change.
And for the record, I do believe we have to accomodate those in true need and we have to have safeguards for those than struggle. But 50% is a huge number of people and in my view it should be much lower. Most people in the "poor" category have two or more tv's, cell phones, own a home, and at least one car! Seems like there's the "poor" and then there's the truly poor.
Asunto: Re: It's bout 49% that don't pay Federal taxes.
Marshmud: You're right. I should be more specific. It really should only apply to able bodied people (and there are plenty of them). I don't have a problem with people who've supported the system as your grandparents and now they are getting exemptions.
Asunto: Re: It's bout 49% that don't pay Federal taxes.
(V): The reason it's mentioned is due to the liberal claim that the "rich" don't pay their fair share of income taxes. We know they pay more taxes as they buy more things and more expensive things at that. But the comparison being offered has to do with federal income taxes. On that we know it's a fact that nearly 50% do not pay federal income taxes. So clearly there is a problem with the "fair share" as it applies to the bottom 50%. They contribute nothing but suck off the governments tit endlessly.
Bwild: I think it really depends on what constitutes evidence in your mind. That and compelling arguments for the case of the historical Jesus (not to mention His claims to being God)
Iamon lyme: I agree. This topic has been discussed before. The atheist argument fails on so many levels. Nothing said will make any difference. So, ok Jesus is a myth. Next topic please. How about SETI? Or Sasquatch ? Lochness?
Modificado por Papa Zoom (19. Septiembre 2012, 07:02:20)
Übergeek 바둑이: Actually that's not true and I was being silly. The New Testament documents are historically reliable. FF Bruce is a leading authority on the New Testament documents and he's not alone in his assessment that they are a reliable source for eye witness accounts of the life of Jesus. There is more documented evidence for the existence of Jesus as a historical figure than there is evidence for many other historical figures. It's not that the evidence isn't there; you just reject everything that's offered.
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