;))

It seems that the rules need to be changed.

Well...I too am concerned that a new player wqill come to this site,and join a four day tournament, and then find out, because of one idiot, who purposly plays all his turns at the last possible minute, the tournament takes over a year to complete. I am concerned that this new person will get a bad impression too, and will not become a paying member...All because of one person who ruins it for everybody....

But, hey, thats their right, and if it is fun for them to play in a way that holds up 95 % of the other players, then, oh well, too bad so sad....its their right, and and the rest of us can just choose to not play with them, and if it happens to be someone new, who does not know, well then they will learn the hard way, just like everyone else.

I agree with you, that is not a good way to make an impression, and gain more paying members, but thats what the powers to be want, and thats the way it will be until the powers that be decide that whats god for the majority is more important than the enjoyment of a few individuals....

I do beg your pardon Steve, I'll not try to help next time :o)

Well I know that I will not enter any of his tournaments, and I'm sure that the people burnt by him this time and others reading this board will do the same.

What I'm worried about are the new users - the ones who are new to this site, not reading these message boards but entering a cool prize tournament. Then without any notice, it's gone.

I do not think this is the image that this site and us fellow gamers want to be sent to these new users - these new users who if they find things they like on this site, might then in turn support this site with $$ by buying a membership. These are the people that I'm worried about - these are the people that I want to see the best that this site has to offer.

Fencer said that a tournament creator can do whatever they want with tournaments....That covers all your questions, with one answer.

I'm certain that leaving it alone, will have a much better effect, than continuing to fight it. Don't play in his tournaments, I'm sure most will follow suit, and no one will have to worry about what he does anymore. He can play in his own tournaments by himself, and change the rules all day long.

ummm Harley, read what I put, I know its a final duh.

Rather than me having to look through all my many running tournys, someone has a pm telling them it needs doing

When has Fencer answered that? I'll admit there are a lot of post and I might have missed something, but I don't ever remember hearing an answer.

(Unless you are confusing where Fencer said that the tournament creator can exclude anyone that they want from the tournament - which is different then the question I'm asking.)

Scrabble - I meant to start it last night. (I'm at work right now & I dont' have my scrabble sign-in information here right now) :-)

That question has been asked and answered by Fencer. Just because you do not like the answer, or agree with it, doesn't matter.

If the rules, and the creator say it is okay, then it is okay, period. Leave it alone. This is a game site, go play some games, like you said already, you are not on customer service anyway ;)

BTW, are you gonna play me in scrabble or what???

What do I say when they ask me why they are now stuck in a 30 day move backgammon tournament which when they signed up says that it was a prize tournament that WAS NOT going to start until 200 people signed up - but is now not a prize tournament, no idication it every was (since name & description is gone), and now they are not allowed to enter any other tournaments.

Yes, the tournament creator can do this.... but should they be allowed to? That is the real question.

Its not that difficult BBW...If someone askes you why the tournament has no name.... you PM them that it is because the tournament creator has wanted it that way, period!

Steve, '+1' on your main page is normally a final round in a tourney, not a new tournament starting. If you go through your running tourneys you should find one that the second round is waiting to start.

funny IMCK....

Don't know how you see me looking at the running tournament list and noticing 10+ tournaments with the same name (or no name) as spying on him... but whatever.

... and what messes up many people on this site is a concern to me. I'm not part of the "Customer Service" on this site, but I do often help pawn and new players with questions and such - and when they come to me asking why some of the tournaments have no names anymore, well there you go!

But you are right - My point of the post should have been about rules about naming tournaments and not pointing out certain people. (And changing names & descriptions before/during/after tournaments have started/ended)

Leave him alone BW.... You recently had a beef with someone 'spying' on you in here and reporting your actions and movements on discussion boards etc... Why do you do the same thing you recently complained about someone else doing? It does not matter 'why' people do what they do here. It is their right to play and have fun anyway they choose. If it 'messes them up' or 'upsets' them, is no concern of yours, or anyone elses, just stay away from him, and leave him alone, and stop spying on him and harrassing him and trying to make his life miserable on these discussion boards.

I was just looking at the running tournaments, and noticed that LJ has changed the names of all his tournaments to " . " - all his tournaments with the same " . ".

You know LJ you keep having excusing on why you do things, but something like that you know is just going to mess people up and upset them. Up until now I was unsure if he was making trouble on purpose or not, but I believe I have my answer now.

So if any user has " . " for the tournament, then it is one of LJ's tournaments.

Has someone got a final that needs starting?

I have this on my main page ..Total number of your started games: 138 + 1 (?)

1 is not enough for a new tourny

I was just getting ready to type this reply and copy and paste a posting by LongJohn when I discovered that all of his recent posts are missing! I hope he's the one that deleted them, because if our moderator had done so I'm really upset. Censoring certain comments is bad enough, but to delete everything just because you have a problem with the person is not right as far as I believe. I've stayed silent in the ongoing chats about the prize tournaments and other discussion, but I did join his along with Linda's tournament. I'm not much of a fan of backgammon, though the game can be a lot of fun from time to time.
Since his posts are missing. (Regardless of why they're missing) I can no longer directly reply to them. I do recall that he said something about having to have 200 or players in them and also him saying that he would extend the starting time until he reached that goal. I can only assunme that he's liar! The tournament has started with just 64 of us. What gives? IS the prize still happening? What happened to your waiting, LongJohn?

In anycase, I would like to be removed from the tournament. I would like this done without penalizing me or anyone else. Since forfeiting all my games is an option, that's what I will do if that's what it takes. This isn't fair to the other sections though, and I'd like to just leave the tournament as if I'd never even signed up for it. Could this be arranged or made to happen? IF so, please make it happen, and thank you. If not, man that's stupid! But hey, I hope they enjoy their easy victory points off me as I will just let the games expire and that'll be the end of it.
I'm still curious about LongJong's missing posts in this section. Are they his doing, or the moderator do it?
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I typed that last night and fell asleep at the key board. Since then there's been a few replies to what this tournament of LongJOhn is all about.
Our moderator says he didn't delete the posts. That leaves the creator of them (LongJohn)
Also, a few people have suggested to just forfeit the games involved and that'll take care of the games. I will do this if it's the only option. I really believe that this tournament and the way it's being conducted are bogus. As it has been pointed out, the creator is entitled to do as he pleases with the organizing of the tournament. All the same, had I'd known these changes in the tournament parameters and the ongoing debate about the tournament itself were going to happen, I would not have joined the tournament.
It seems very unfair to me that one is counted as a member of an ongoing tournament when one has been eliminated from the tournament. I wrote to Fencer about this a few months back and he didn't see much problem with it. This tournament should show the problem with it quite clearly. If I still had Pawn membership status and then forfeited or lost all my games, I'd not be ever to enter another tournament until the end off this one. This is a different problem than the one I wrote to Fencer about, and it's worse.
The problem I wrote him about concerned the fact that I had played all of my games and had the tournament won no matter the outcome of the remaining players games and I wasn't allowed to join another tournament because of the one tournament per Pawn rule. So I was stuck until the slowest two players finished their game. A week later they did. That doesn't seem fair to me, but that's how it is. That complaint is nothing compared to what this LongJohn's tournament will do to any nonpaying member. Fencer, I really believe the tournament rules should be changed to take this into consideration. As I suggested to you, limit a member's games to whatever level you like, not how many off them happen to be tournament games. Simular to IYT's handling of it. I'm sure there's other things that might be done too.
Now that I'm a paying member and have created a couple of tournaments myself, I would like anyone to enter if they'd like to. Unfortunately the "One Tournament per Pawn" rule prevents most Pawns from playing even if they have the game spaces available and they've lost a tournament. Winning a tournament or advancing to a second round shouldn't count against your total and could be considered a prize for playing well.
Just a little of my 2¢. Thank you.

It is not me that complaining about them but you. Another one of your lies.
I do hope this does change the way prize tournaments are done in the future with prizes being paid for up front. ;•)

yes i did , thats why i removed myself from your tourney !!!!!!!

this will be the last post from me regarding this subject ...
i am here for fun and games ,every one enjoy your games ;)))

A. You changed the rules and description of the tournament, and also changed the amount of time for the tournament. You did all this when there was alreayd many many people signed up, and never had a chance to see the new rules or new time frame. You basicly had them sign up for one tournament, and did a switch and had them play in a complete other tournament!

You mentioned GI's (GothicInventor) tournament - I have not heard from him, but here is what I think happened with the tournament he created. He created a tournament with a prize offered by him - the entry "fee" was a $5 donation directly to Fencer. It was then pointed out that if each person send the donation strait to Fencer, he would only get between $2-$3 of each $5 because of fee's. At this time, the tournament was REMOVED - with no one signed up, and no one forced to play in a tournament with false rules.

LJ - What should have happened is if you were going to change the rules after many many people signed up, you should have AT LEAST (1) give enough of the players enough time to see the new rules and remove themselfs or (2) just delete the tournament so people are not playing games they do not want.

I do agree that it is the tournament creators right to remove anyone they don't want to play in the tournament. It probable would have been polite to send the person a message to let them know they were removed (and reason).

LongJohn I think you need to take your own advice. You whined enough about those 50 brains you claim to now not want.
Your tournaments were a cheap way of getting people to sign up for something you never had any intentions of giving away. Sad. Kind of like the little boy his mother had to tie pork chops around his neck to get the dogs to play with him. LOL
Try simply a change of attitude instead of a lie.

the thing i didnt agree with is that AFTER i had signed up the rules got changed , which shouldnt be alowed to happen , i dont play in 30 day tornaments as a rule and would have given it a miss .

It still won't get them out of the tournament though...

yes you can resign them , before making two moves and it wont affect your bkr

I think Jason means resign them not delete

Jason, I don't think you can delete tournament games.

why cant you , there will be a delete button before two moves are made i do believe , if they deleted all games in thier section it would not harn anyone still playing .
(edit) unless im wrong that is .

Thanks Jason that's very generous of you. Thanks

Jason, you can't delete tournament games, but pawns can still enter Linda's tourney even if they're in others. All they need to do is message Linda and say they want to join.

I think something has to be done about the posting of Prize tournaments.
That is 2 tournaments in 1 week that have been advertised as offering prizes and deleted.
One of the tournaments by GI offering a large ammount money, but had no one sign up, AND also LJ's 2 year Rook membership one, which was causing enough problems anyway as it was intended to do (mainly for pawns & Knights).

My thoughts are that if someone wants to organise a Prize one they should write to Fencer first to get permission OR when a Prize tounament is set (by ticking the box in the set up page) then that tournament should have to approved by Fencer before it will post (could be incorperated in BK 2.0).

Until this situation is sorted i suggest removing the Prize box from the set up page. This way, only Fencer himself can make it show as a Prize tournament by manually hi-lighting it himself, after being asked to do so. I can not see many more being set at the moment anyway and hopefully a better solution can be found in the future and stop all this hassle.

Fencer has stated that the only official BK Prize tournaments will be created by himself anyway (or have his backing).

yes he has started it also changed the time limit to 30 days .

now the problem is that there may be some people who went into this tournament because of the (SUPPOZED) two year rook membership offerd . now the re are people stuck in there without anything offerd in a tournament that will last forever . .......
if there are some of you stuck in the tournament (pawns or nights ) and would like to go into lindas tournament message me and im willing to pay a few of you in .. just delete your games in that tournament before you do any moves and your ratings wont be affected ....
BY THE WAY THIS IS A GENUINE OFFER TO ANY ONE THAT HAS BEEN AFFECTED by the running of this so called tournament . (obvoisly i will have to limit the amount of people i can pay for)

Bernice: Why should I delete that? It's on topic and you express an honest opinion.

I happen to agree with you that Prize tournaments should be paid for 'up front'.

mrloupcity: A Clint Eastwood-type tournament has just started - ie the tournament with no name. I think that may well be it.

Has Backgammon PRIZE TOURNEY (2 YEAR ROOK MEMBERSHIP)started or was it deleted?

*** i was going to edit/delete this and decided against it because i believe (maybe wrongly)that this is absolutely ON TOPIC*** and should be addressed by management:)
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you say they are (his) tournaments...of course they are....
but to offer prizes, get people in under false pretenses and then launch it with no offer of a prize is surely unethical.

4 tournaments that I know of have offered prizes and if you look at them running or whatever you wont see too much...
(1) backgammon race - prize offered 50 brains
(2) backgammon 6 months membership
(3) backgammon THE LARGEST PRIZE etc etc
(4) the $10,000 that never got past the first day

this is false advertising and very unethical, and should be controlled.....

When prizes are offered (by ANYONE) they should be paid up front before the tournament is even opened to the public....that way people can see that it is genuine.

This is happeneing far too much on here and it is giving a bad name on other game sites...all are talking :(

Edited...deleted...waste of time :)

Bernice: ..'there seem to be a lot of posts deleted...'

Not by me, Bernice. I haven't deleted anything for a while. A quick look at the posts here and it seems to me that there's nothing that needs deleting.
Some of you have a problem with one of LongJohn's tournaments.
The fact remains, whatever the morality of the situation, it is LongJohn's tournament - he is the creator and can control it as he likes.

AD: it's not necessary to remove your post. :-)

Which one, children?

did someone speak??

Molly just asked me about lots of backgammon games that have appeared on her main page and the games have NO TOURNAMENT name...she asked did i have anything running....I told her no and I would check for her....
if you look very closely there is a teeny weeny live spot link....the Organiser of all these games appears to be someone we all know.

WOW....what a lots of posts have been deleted....makes the posts read like nonsense...Isnt there something you can do bumble?

but... My take is this. MadMonkey hit it on the head with 'no intentions of offering prize', and when the roar came to drop out, it was started before the snowball hit. (I knew it was no longer up for signup before his post, as I had just gone to remove myself. A wasted effort, it appears, as I seem to have been among those spared the need -- probably because I'm 'just too slow') Now those pawns and knights previously mentioned are henceforth stuck, with the only means of removal being Fencer. Whether or not in the end he decides to do so, Fencer really doesn't have time for all that, so the utlimate goal of harm to the site has been reached, regardless.

calling all reversi players #2 fast games for fast players :)

wheres yours?

My friend,Danoschek...is alive and well and speaks English bettr than I speak German!

Dano has died, was reincarnated, and came back speaking English.

I hope I don't offend anyone with my decision to remove LJ from this tournament. I'm really bothered by what I've read below with people being removed from his tournament. It might seem inconsistent then that I've removed him from mine but, I tried to PM him about my concerns and see that I am on his enemy's list. Odd. I've not said anything to him to warrent that. So, since he has prevented me from discussing this with him, and since there are some who have entered my tournament with whom he has ongoing issues, I have to question his motive in entering the tournament in the first place. Therefore in the interest of others and in the interest of keeping this tournament fun for all, I have removed him. I hope in doing so, and by stating my reasons, I have not offended anyone.

Bumble, if this post is innappropriate for this forum, let me know and I'll delete it. But I wanted others to know what I did so there can be no spin on my motives.

Removed me as well I see. Oh well I will not lose sleep over it.

Calling all Gammon players, its time for the next Madmonkeys 'Gammon' Stakes (3) tourny :o)

ALSO

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