Kookaburra: What I meant is GT has a active owner, and a paid full time programmer. This site just needs a new owner with passion to move it forward. This sites code is wrote that way, far brilliant to any out there, just his passion went from his game site to his family. I understand your frustration, but Im one that has teams in all the team tournaments so Im trying to keep them going and asked coan a year ago to lower the minimum players, in which he did. Ive been trying to get a checker team together for many moons. Just not many play checkers, sadly.