onigoroshi: ah .. you mean the group with f13 ?

nice indeed :)

Pedro: oops .. missed the links .. just read the top one .. nice setups indeed :)

Marfitalu: what is the seki ? at which moves can i observe it ? :)

Marfitalu: Marfitalu: ah yes! i forgot 2 things .. i thought white couldnt play c9 .. but i forgot white could do so if he would capture black in that move .. which happens

i also missed it that b8 also creates the chain :)

thanks!

Marfitalu: but he can only do that by playing on c8, when black plays on c8 first then the group is isolated i think

onigoroshi: if black moves at c8, then the upper left white group is dead isnt it ?

(btw pedro means that your opponent wasnt polish but czech :))

Fwiffo: ah thats even better ... i thought you could count the dead stones, but not the territory underneath them ... :)

Mirjam: nice :)
but opponents stones in my territory still count as a point dont they ?
(as long as those stones are dead, when they are alive they dont count i guess :))

jurek: ah! thanks, thats a very important thing to remember :)

suppose i have a small territory of 9 spaces (3x3) totally surrounded by own pieces

this will count as 9 points

now i move a piece of myself inside this territory, so there are 8 empty spaces plus the piece i just played ... does the territory only give me 8 points now ?

Mirjam: thanks .. i hoped to have found a shortcut to a complicated problem ;)

i was halfway the tutorial when i had leave yesterday .. will continue it this evening or tomorrow :)

more questions will come .. be sure of that ;)

first choice : stay close to your opponent to prevent him from claiming too much territory

other option : create your own territory away from him

i think its a bad thing to start with a piece on the border as it can be captured easily (force it into the corner) ... but what about a piece 1 position away from the corner, is that a good start ?

is it better to try to claim territory or to focus on capturing your opponents stones ?

jurek: the M6 question
nice!! thats a good thing to remember ... capturing would make it worse indeed :)

thanks for your answers!
i am slowly learning :)

jurek: the K13 group.

ah! i see the outcome :) nice
is it always true then when there is an even empty spaces within a group, then the group is not dead ? if it would have been an odd number of spaces i think the group would be dead ?
(i didnt try it out yet though :))

Hrqls: what about this figuve ? if white plays at A, then black can play at B, but white can then play at the position left of A ? (or is that not allowed because the white group, then existing of 2 stones, will have no liberties anymore ?)

wow! this game seems complicated :)

just finished reading the rules on here, now on to the sites which are posted :)

i have some questions while reading the rules though:
in this position isnt the white group at K13, etc. a dead group ?
isnt the black stone at M6 dead as well ? (it can be captured by white i think?)