Artful Dodger:

In reality, it would be unfair to single out Christians (or Moslems) in terms of war and violence. I could easily have said:

Nothing says "good ______" like fearing and hating other religions.

The history of organized religion is also the history of violence and war. the reason is that those in power use religion as a tool to manipulate the masses into hatred, fear and war.

Unfortunately, there is a big difference between what people preach and what people do. The Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam and their variants) have been used as excuses for war. People claim to believe in the Bible, but conveniently ignore its key points when political power and wealth are involved.

Unfortunately in most places organized religion has become organized hypocrisy. God must sit in heaven and wonder if it is really worth saving humanity. After all, we have done nothing but disappoint God all along. We have come to glorify wealth, power and war beyond kindness, understanding and tolerance.

I can go to most Christians and tell them: "Do you think it is a good idea to get rid of our nuclear weapons? What about dismantling our bloated armies? Should we turn those millions of soldiers into something else, people who don't kill?" Most of them would have no answer for me. In the US most good Christians would rather keep the nuclear weapons and the war planes and the armies, even though their "Christian beliefs" say otherwise. Those Christians that heavily criticize that mosque will be the first to say the wars in the Middle East are OK. So much for "good Christians".

If you look at the data, you'll see something very interesting, yet odd. In many cases, Republicans are viewed LESS favorably than their Democratic counterparts. BUT, in a generic election, the Republicans swept the election. How can this be? AND, if the voters will vote OUT the Democrats even while they approve LESS of the Republicans, how much more will they vote OUT the Dems if Republicans can actually begin to win the confidence of the people?

One thing for sure, Democrats are in big trouble this November.

Here's one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTRiyirhe8Y&feature=player_embedded

Tuesday: The thing is, you can always find radicals in any group. This proves nothing.

I know a girl (I watched her grow up here) who left the comforts of the US to work with people in the Sudan. It's a dangerous place where she is. She's worked hard to get the people clean water (they need 300 deep water wells in that region) and she's making progress. She's opened a health clinic and she and another Christian volunteer care for the medical needs of the people. She recruits doctors for help (she's not a medical person and only has a little training). Still, she's learned to stitch up cuts, deliver babies, treat wounds of all kinds, and preform minor surgeries (via google and consultation from a US doctor). What she does isn't legal in the US but there is NO ONE ELSE to do this work. She's young, attractive, smart, and living in a remote part of the Sudan. THIS sort of story doesn't make the news. This kind of sacrifice (which is multiplied by the thousands) doesn't get quoted with links. The kooks get the press.

It's STUPID for anyone here to point to a fringe group and make any kind of generalization to apply it to the whole. If they think that's justified, then why don't they point out what the majority does? The majority of Christians do good works. They preform community services (here in my small town the Churches (Catholic and Protestant) work TOGETHER for the betterment of the community. We feed the hungry, visit nursing homes, care for people's needs (like clean their yard or help with painting or house cleaning etc). We do this regularly (it's called the Boaz Project. Churches throughout the US are involved in these sorts of community outreaches. There's no preaching, just service.

For every knucklehead "Christian" out there saying God hates fags or claiming they know who is going to hell etc, there are hundreds of REAL Christians living out their faith.

Übergeek 바둑이: Most Christians are not this way. But fringe groups are. And you are right as it stems from fear. But in reality, there is no need to fear other religions and certainly no justification for hate.

I remember seeing on the IYT Christian board a few years ago that if anyone disagreed with one persons ideology they were all going to 'hell'.. didn't matter that they were part of a main faith within Christianity.

I've seen a certain Christian sect on TV hating and condemning the soldiers who died fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Crazy American Fundamentalist Christian "Thank God for dead soldiers"
Christian pastor prays for death of Obama
Public display by church: "Islam is of the Devil"

A Christian based church says... http://www.godhatesamerica.com/

Nothing says "good Christian" like fearing and hating other religions.

Ferris Bueller: Here you ONLY point to the Right: "The Mosque was already at its site before the angry responses from the right about it being expanded." but I have CLEARLY shown that the Left and the Middle also object to the Mosque.

Therefore your argument is baseless.

Ferris Bueller: You don't base your arguments on much of anything.

Artful Dodger:   I don't base my arguments on public opinion polls.

MSNBC: Obama 'Did the Right Thing' With 'Non-Controversial' Mosque Remark
by Matthew Balan
On Monday's Morning Joe, MSNBC's Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski went out of their way to defend President Obama's Friday statement defending the planned mosque near Ground Zero in New York City. Brzezinski cooed that the President "did the right thing by saying what he said" and Scarborough labeled the remark "uncontroversial" and later stated the controversy over the mosque was a "wedge issue"

56% of Democrats polled say it's "wrong"
63% said they had a "right"

probably not a scientific poll :)

hahah he beat me to it lol

Bernice: they were separate questions:

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/081310_MosquePoll.pdf

Vikings: hahahah OK :)

Bernice: Ummmmmm, it was 2 separate poll questions.

Vikings: 125%??? hmmmmmmm...what ever happened t0 the 100%

Vikings: That sort of shoots a hole in the theory of the Left.

"Extreme right wing"Fox news poll
61% of Americans say the muslims have a right to build the mosque
64% say that it is the wrong thing to do 'insensitive"

But Ferris, it's NOT just the Right. (told you that you are uninformed)

Even Democrats Oppose Ground Zero Mosque
8/11/10 at 4:49 PM 61Comments
According to a new CNN poll, 68 percent of Americans nationwide oppose the mosque being built two blocks from ground zero, which is why President Obama will probably not choose to make this his latest "teachable moment." Even a majority of Democrats — the ones who are supposed to be the politically correct terrorist apologists — are opposed (54 percent against it to 43 percent for it). It's worth noting that another poll shows that, among those literally closest to the issue, the mosque has wider support: Manhattanites back the mosque 53 percent to 31 percent.

BTW, 56 of Democrats polled say it is WRONG for the Muslims to build a Mosque just 3 blocks from Ground Zero.

Ferris Bueller: This is a completely false statement.

Ferris Bueller: duh, of course it is.

And you have yet to make a legitimate argument.

Artful Dodger:  It is legit for you to call to task sources which you feel have a liberal bias.  That's part of debate.  But, its funny Art.  When liberals call your extreme conservative sources to task, you summarily dismiss them as not considering your idea of "legitimate arguments".

Jim Dandy: Maybe the very fact that they are building it three blocks from Ground Zero, and amidst such opposition, shows they are a bit insensitive to the matter.

Artful Dodger: If they aren't dealing with it by showing the utmost sensitivity, the whole thing should be scrapped

Jim Dandy: Likely but I'm not aware of exactly what's been said.

Artful Dodger: Are they on record with a statement regarding the sensitivity of the issue?

Jim Dandy: those were excellent points. one does have to wonder why the Muslim organizers continue to peruse the building of the mosque considering the huge criticism that's been coming their way.

Artful Dodger: I support his opinion that if the mosque is built, it should contain both tributes to those who were killed, and those who both risked their lives and or died trying to save them.There should also be(as he mentions) condemnation of those who executed the event.It's apparently going to be a big building, finding room shouldn't be an issue.

Jim Dandy: "George W. Bush himself, with the full weight of his office (and, I’d add, at some political risk to himself) was without stint in proclaiming Islam a “religion of peace.” He even went to a Washington mosque to underline solidarity with American Muslims and their peaceful co-religionists all over the world." Yeah GW!

and

"It is an almost boundlessly tolerant city and society — New York and America. But we must make a note on this point: A tolerance is being, and has been, shown, toward Islam, which Islam emphatically does not show to other creeds in regions or countries where Islam is predominant. In some Muslim places, a mere Bible in a suitcase is an indictable offence."

I might add it can (and often does) get you killed.

This is definitely worth reading. The author offers a unique and well-thought perspective on the issue of the "ground zero" mosque.

"Unemploymnet checks are the fastest way to stimulate the economy" Nancy Pelosi 2010

‎"Health care premiums will go down 3000% under my health care plan"-B Obama.

‎"I never thought this day would come. I don't have to worry about paying my mortgage or putting gas in my car. If I take care of him (BHO), he'll take care of me." From an unnamed idiot who fell for the "hope and change".

‎"We campaigned in 57 states".....Barack "Harvard Educated" Obama

‎''When I was in England, I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn't like it. I didn't inhale and never tried it again.' - Bill Clinton

''I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man.'' - JoeBiden

"Ooo now I won't have to worry about paying my mortgage, Obama's gonna help!
Reporter-"Where is Obama going to get the money to help you'?
Lady-"I don't know, from his stash I guess."

‎"Only 36,000 people lost their jobs today, which is really good" Harry Reid

"A light skinned African American with no negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one." - Harry Reid

Al Gore: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet"

Hank Johnson worrying that Guam will capsize. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9R-cQ_A_6w (look at the poor guy rubbing his cheek to distract himself - I'm sure he wanted to just bust out laughing at this moron)

"You don't need God anymore, you've got us Democrats" - Nancy Pelosi (2006)

Obama on the Tonight Show: "No, no. I have been practicing...I bowled a 129. It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something."

"I was not guilty of wrong doing in bailing my husbamd's bank out. I was helping black people." Maxine Waters

On March 19, 1998 Gore called The Washington Post's executive editor to tip him off about an ''error'' on the front page of his paper. ''I decided I just had to call because you've printed a picture of the Earth upside-down"

"I do know what happened, but what I do know is that the police acted stupidly" BHO 2009

"This war is lost" Harry "Dim Bulb" Reed

"What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith..." Obama

“I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels.” -- Nancy P. Pelosi, Aug 2008

‎"We have 10 years left to save the planet from Armageddon"
AlGore, January 2006.

Jim Dandy: You snooze, ya looze. Maddox has been shown to be a fraud. Like when she edited videos in order to distort and attack one of her rivals.

Got anything better than far left loons?

right back atcha regarding your diatribe regarding Ed

After sixteen weeks on the air, MSNBC’s EdShow is on life support. Instead of growing, its ratings have gone down. In fact, they’re lower than those of David Schuster, who was booted from the time slot to make room for Schultz.



The reason for the low ratings is because people see through this show know Ed for what he really is: a boring blowhard with a shrill presentation but no substance.

here are some of his more idiotic comments:

I must be wrong. I think the country is sick of Dick Cheney. And I think because there is a psycho, right-wing network out there called Fox News that constantly gives this guy a platform, constantly allows him to put the conservatives on the offensive and the Obama administration on the defensive, some common sense has to come into this at one time or another. Let me just officially say that this is a fact -- Dick Cheney is an all-American nobody. He has no power.



Yeah, if Cheney is a nobody why is Eddie talking about him in the first place? Cheney draws a large listening audience. Not bad for a nobody.

here's more babbling from Eddie:

Cheney is nothing but a selfish pig. And for him to do what he's doing to the elected president of the United States goes beyond the pale, to use one of his favorite sayings. It is official -- Dick Cheney wants this country to get hit. He wants another terrorist attack for political gain. They want to bury liberals the same way they want to bury the terrorists. They want complete global control is what they want. Control of oil, control of resources, control of the economy, the list goes on and on, the control of the school systems, everything! That's what they want.

And the only way that you can get any of that is if you have conflict. And since we're not in a war, we have to set the table for a war. And the way you set the table for a war is to vilify the leader of the free world, which is the president of the United States, the commander in chief, who has already made an executive decision on how to deal with pirates and terrorists on the open seas. They have to hit back.


***Hey Eddie, we're in two wars in case you forgot!

More Eddie verbal vomit:

You see, they hate Social Security. They hate Medicare. It's own your own retirement, own your own Medicare, own your own health care, own your own education, because this is just the best way to do it. They're not American. They are not American. But I guess my question to our wonderful listeners here on the Ed show today is, is Dick Cheney relevant? Yes or no?! And tell me why. So is this the way it's going to be, that the Darth Vader, he's going to come out and stick his head out from that hole he lives in, about every 60 days and do another interview to capture the news cycle for another 24 hours and we've got conflict conversation in the country again?

The guy's a loser! He shot somebody in the face! He doesn't know what the hell he's doing! He's a turncoat, on the American people! Dick Cheney wants you to get hit again for political gain, that's what he wants. I'm convinced of that.



Thanks for the laffs Jimmy!

The ED show (far left)
Crooks and Liars (far left)
Media matters (far left)

You'll have to do better than that Jim. BTW, Crooks and Liars describes the owners of the web site and in Media matters the correct name is "Biased Media Matters"

Artful Dodger:

1992-1995 Bosnia

The genocide of over 300,000 Muslims and systematic rape of over 100,000 Muslim women by Christian Serbs

Artful Dodger: ROFL

Tuesday: you luze Tuez

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