Iamon lyme: I think you just did.

Iamon lyme: Well, maybe you're me and I"m you. If that's the case, I'm smarter than you. And since I'm smarter, then I know a lot about Fast and Furious. But since I don't know a lot, then I"m maybe not you. Unless you don't know a lot either then I probably am.

If you're confused then that proves you're me.

Iamon lyme:

Fast and Furious. What a story of twists. Nixon revisited. And Carter.

Iamon lyme: Hey, what's with the nic name anyway? Never mind, since I'm you, I already know. Which isn't true. I don't know because I"m you, I know because you told me. And no, I don't talk to myself. But good to "see" you again my friend. Seems like I just saw you this morning while shaving. But that guy was bald. And shorter. So it couldn't have been you. Unless.......aliens....

Übergeek 바둑이: the bigger question is, What does being "created in God's image" mean? Forget about if it's true for the moment. What is meant by the statement?

Iamon lyme: No, you're still me. It was nice to see you back which is why I stopped by to say hello. As you can see, my games are down to 8 and I've played here a lot less. Coincidentally, you showed up shortly after my regular attendance here declined. The theorists here will use their logic skill and make their usual conclusion. BTW, I'm not even sure I know what he means by biological mechanics. I know something of car mechanics though. ;/

Iamon lyme: School's out. Not that I'm a teacher but I've more business driving cab these days.

Iamon lyme: ahhhhh, I remember it well.

http://core.talkingpointsmemo.com/election/features/wisconsin-recall

Barring libs cheating in dist 21 we have a clean sweep. Walker won by a larger percentage today than in previous election. Ripple effect will follow.

I love to see you libs spin the GOP's win in Wicsonsin! Obama has spun already. What a moron.

Bernice: I must not have it then as my wife can beat mean with one hand (and a skillet)

Bernice: Is there a test?

(V): It's always America's fault isn't it?

a reason to love Israel

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/212485.php

the facts show that there is simply no correlation between gun control laws and murder or suicide rates across a wide spectrum of nations and cultures. In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel "have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States." A comparison of crime rates within Europe reveals no correlation between access to guns and crime.
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I could go on. Studies have consistently shown that gun control laws do nothing to deter crime. And when law abiding citizens are allowed to carry their small arms the crime actually goes down.

Gun control advocates always argue on emotion. Gun rights advocats alway use logic and facts.

Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year

* A 1994 survey conducted by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes about 498,000 times per year.[20]

* A 1982 survey of male felons in 11 state prisons dispersed across the U.S. found:[21]

• 34% had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"

• 40% had decided not to commit a crime because they "knew or believed that the victim was carrying a gun"

• 69% personally knew other criminals who had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"[22]

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The 31 states that have "shall issue" laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons. In fact, the nine states with the lowest violent crime rates are all right-to-carry states. Remarkably, guns are used for self-defense more than 2 million times a year, three to five times the estimated number of violent crimes committed with guns.

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....studies consistently show that there is no correlation between waiting periods and murder or robbery rates. Florida State University professor Gary Kleck analyzed data from every U.S. city with a population over 100,000 and found that waiting periods had no statistically significant effect. Even University of Maryland anti-gun researcher David McDowell found that "waiting periods have no influence on either gun homicides or gun suicides."

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Übergeek 바둑이: If you took away the guns in the us only two groups would have guns: The criminals and the government. I'd trust criminals with guns before I'd trust the government.

(V): Guns aren't the problem. Stupid people are. And you can't have an effective gun control in the US. A little thing called the Constitution prevents the nuts from taking away our gun rights. And as the DEA has found out, taking away people's firearms is a costly affair. Americans aren't going to sit by and watch the government take away their guns. It will never happen.

False. In the US this has been proven otherwise.

(V): and the silence is broken!!! Welcome back Jules! I knew ya'd make it!

Übergeek 바둑이: In the US, where guns aren't restricted, especially in places where you can wear your gun all the time, crime is way down.

Where gun control is greater, there is greater crime.

My math tells me that gun control works against the honest person and in favor of the crook. I think that's what at play here.

May 26, 2012
Teenagers killed as gunman goes on rampage in Finland

So much for gun control

REUTERS - A gunman opened fire from a rooftop in a Finnish town centre in the early hours of Saturday, killing two people and wounding several others, police said.

An 18-year-old man wearing camouflage clothing was arrested after the shooting in Hyvinkaa, a small town 56 km (34 miles) north of the capital Helsinki.

The motive for the shooting was unclear. It followed a series of shooting sprees in Finland in recent years and came less than a year after anti-immigrant gunman Anders Behring Breivik killed 77 people in a rampage in neighbouring Norway.

About their new and improved gun control laws:

Finland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world and a series of mass shootings prompted the government to toughen its gun laws last June. The suspect in Saturday’s case did not have a license, police said.

Enough said.

May 24, 2012
Muhammad Raped while Bobby Stayed Mum
By Ryan James Girdusky

The cult of diversity has claimed four dozen more victims. On May 8, 2012, nine men were convicted of rape, conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with minors, trafficking for sexual exploitation, conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with children, sexual assault, and aiding and abetting a rape. All nine of the men are Muslim, eight are British Pakistani, and one is Afghani. The gruesome details of the crime are in themselves barbaric, but the responses from British police are languid and discomfiting.

The national scandal began in 2005 as the nine men in the Manchester area, some of them taxi drivers, would lure many young teenage girls, often 13 to 15 years old, with free food, drugs, and alcohol. The girls came from shoddy backgrounds; many were teenage runaways and living on social services. Once they were high or drunk, they were beaten and raped. They were passed around to other men, mostly of Pakistani descent, where they would be gang-raped by three to five men a night. One case involved a 13-year-old who became pregnant after she was gang-raped by three men. And yet another disgusting incident involved a 15-year-old who was so drunk that she threw up off the side of the bed while two Pakistani men raped her. Another involved a 15-year-old who was gang-raped by 20 men in one night.

The Telegraph stated, "There were 631 documented cases of abuse over a five-year period, and many will have been too afraid to tell their story."

The nine men were between the ages of 22 and 59. One of the men, Abdul Rauf, a married father of five, also happens to be a religious studies teacher at a local mosque. The men received a total prison sentence of 77 years.

The rapes are a tragedy -- it is a tragedy that vulnerable girls can be so easily abducted, raped, and abused. However, it is the delayed response by police and civil service in the area that is the national scandal. In August of 2008, one of the victims, then 15 years old, went to police and social workers; she provided the police with DNA evidence to back up her story of being gang-raped. Twice the police refused to prosecute. She continued to be raped by up to five men a night, four or five nights a week. Former Labour MP Ann Cryer said the silence of the Manchester Bobbies is due to the fact that they were "petrified of being called racists." The Manchester police and Rochdale social services publicly apologized, but their fears of being given the scarlet "R" were not in vain.

The accusation of racism can end public servants' careers, so oftentimes they must revert to political correctness.

Political correctness was also the fallback for most of the politicians in the House of Commons. Leading MP Keith Vaz stated that the gang-rapes were "appalling" but that it was important not to "stigmatize an entire community." He later stated, "I don't think this has anything to do with race."

However, Equalities and Human Rights Commission chief Trevor Phillips said, "I think anybody who says that the fact that most of the men are Asian and most of the children are white is not relevant, I mean that's just fatuous." Nazir Afzal, the chief crown prosecutor, who himself is a Muslim, stated that some immigrants bring "cultural baggage" with them from misogynistic societies.

The link between the crime and the girls' race is undeniable according to top officials in the Human Rights Commission, and yet most media outlets outside the U.K. still ignore the case. Had roles been reversed and it were twenty white men gang-raping a Muslim woman, the international media would not rest until there was blood in the streets. The hype of the Trayvon Martin murder is simply ignored when the victims cannot produce the narrative most multiculturalists in the mainstream media wish to project.

It is a sad day for Great Britain on the whole, not just for her victimized daughters -- for the nation which at one point had an empire so large that the sun never set on it has now been reduced to a nation of cowards. If a nation cannot perform its most basic obligation to protect its citizenry because its leaders prioritize protecting their multicultural ideology, that nation and its culture are dead. In the West, theological faith has given way to political religion -- a religion predicated upon self-deception and self-destruction, a religion, which may yet be proven to be as fatal for the West as it has so callously negligent toward these young girls. If Western civilization and all the fruit it has borne are to survive this seeming twilight, then both the ideology of multiculturalism and the cult of diversity must be defeated.

Bernice:

You see, killing the bad guys is what's it's all about in war. It has nothing to do with the Bible or Jesus or God. It has to do with the STATE's responsibility to keep its citizens SAFE. That is the Constitutional obligation of the US government. And IF these bozos were to come to the US, ANY US CITIZEN COULD DO THE SAME IF THE CIRCUMSTANCES WARRANT.


For those of you that see it differently: Wise UP.

(V): Yer so misguided. Where to start?

(V): It isn't murder to kill those who are trying to kill you and other innocent people. In fact, it's the responsibility of those stronger to protect those that are weaker. While you would let murderers kill and maim, I'd put a few hole in their heads.

Your answer is to do nothing. Maybe it's just that you have a yellow streak down your back.

(V): Your basic position is to sit by and do nothing and let innocent people, even children, be murdered. You'd turn your neighbor in in Nazi Germany!

(V): It's not terrorism trying to save lives of innocent people. That's what I'm talking about. You apparently are ok with the murder of innocent children, even your own! Amazing! I'm for pulling out all the stops and I don't care if it's "legal" or not. Why should I be concerned about some terrorist that wants to harm (kill) others? You speak of taking the moral high ground but to you that ground is letting innocent children be blown to bits! But at least you can say you didn't use torture against thugs, murderers, evil men! You just sat by and did nothing while they continued killing innocent people.

And not trying to kill an idea. Duh! Trying to kill known terrorists. BTW, your government has the same policy as does the USA.

R2P

טז לֹא-תֵלֵךְ רָכִיל בְּעַמֶּיךָ, לֹא תַעֲמֹד עַל-דַּם רֵעֶךָ: אֲנִי, יְהוָה.

(V): More to the truth: I like the idea of eliminating bad guys and saving the innocents. Even if that means using torture.

(V): I missed nothing. Yer pettifoggin!

(V): you have a real problem telling the difference between sarcasm, tongue in cheek, and a genuine position. Miss that class in college did ya?

(V): You sure go out of your way trying to protect killers. You've even admitted you'd let your own kids die rather than waterboard a suspect to find out where he's hid them. I don't share those concerns for terrorists. I'm on the side of the innocent.

BTW, you're wrong about executions for waterboarding. Stay away from those far left websites.

Yale University has an excellent web site called the Avalon Project, which lists all of the documents, transcripts and pleadings from both the Nuremberg Trials and the Tokyo Trials.

Here is the actual Indictment:

There were seven individuals who were executed for war crimes
stemming from the International Military Tribunal for the Far East:

General Doihara Kenji, spy (later Air Force commander) Convicted on Counts 1, 27, 29, 31, 32, 35, 36, and 54

Baron Hirota Koki, foreign minister Convicted on Counts 1, 27, 29, 31, 32, 54 and 55,

General Itagaki Seishiro, war minister , Convicted on Counts 1, 27, 29, 31, 32, 35, 36 and 54

General Kimura Heitaro, commander, Burma Expeditionary Force Convicted on Counts 1, 27, 29, 31, 32, 54 and 55

General Matsui Iwane, commander, Shanghai Expeditionary Force found
guilty of class B and C war crimes; e.g.; for his participation in the
atrocities committed at Nanking.

General Muto Akira, commander, Philippines Expeditionary Force Convicted of Counts 1, 27, 29, 31, 32, 54 and 55.

General Tojo Hideki, commander, Kwantung Army (later prime minister) Convicted of Counts 1, 27, 29, 31, 32, 54 and 55

http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/International_Military_Tribunal_for_the_Far_East_-_Sentences/id/1508175

http://www.trial-ch.org/en/trial-watch/profile/db/facts/akira_muto_82.html

None of these individuals were convicted for “waterboarding”!!
Although some of the Defendants were convicted of Count 55, which was
failing to observe and protect prisoners of war from the Allied forces
as per the laws and customs of war, it is a far far, downright
impossible stretch to conclude that any of the Generals who were
convicted and hung were convicted and executed because of their
involvement in anything that remotely resembles modern day
waterboarding!

(V): It's not murder. Murder is a legal term and if they went to a deserted island with no laws or if done in secret, it's neither legal or illegal. Also, if we just built a ship to the moon, put all the bad guys on it, landed it on the moon with a limited amount of oxygen, they'd all die and it's not against the law. Giving someone a free ride to the moon is a generous thing. Sucks to run out of oxygen but hey, the terrorists would be closer to their heaven and they could get laid that very night by one of their 72 virgins.

And I didn't watch the chainsaw thing. So you have me at a disadvantage. I don't watch that crap.

(V): Besides, I've just moved on to killing them on the spot. That seems to be OK with the liberals and the conservatives. Maybe we can let all the terrorists go (release them in the desert) and then have a hunting party. You know, like target practice.

(V): Sure, if it makes you happy. I was wrong.

(V): What, now you're not happy I agree it's torture?

(V): I don't know why you think you need to give me a history lesson. I studied war history in college. And if you look at my posts below, I refer to waterboarding as torture. And I also say it's not the perferred way. Drone strikes are better. Better to kill them first and ask questions later. At least that's the Obama Administrations current policy. Seems ok to send in the bombs but not the water. OK, I'll go along with that.

There are better ways to question a terrorist. Electric voltage to his testicles would probably get some info. I'm not sure if that's torture though. They didn't cover that one in college but Jack Bauer used it and got lots of info.

(V): "Would you be happy to have them tortured as 'legally' sanction by the US government to find out where those kids are??"

No, I'd rather see the bus load of kids murdered. Can't have torture even if innocent people will die. Even kids. Doesn't matter. Let the kids die.

"One of your kids is a spy and gets caught. By the law of this other land, torture is allowed."

This already happens. The Taliban slices off your head. That must suck.

May 15, 2012

More Drone Strikes Against AQAP in Yemen

This is getting interesting.

Long War Journal:

The
US launched two drone strikes today in a city in southern Yemen that is
currently under the control of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Seven
AQAP fighters and eight civilians are reported to have been killed in
the airstrikes.

The first strike targeted "a militant hideout" in Jaar, a city in
Abyan province that is currently under al Qaeda control, CNN reported.
The eight civilians were killed after they attempted to recover the
bodies of AQAP fighters, apparently after the unmanned US Predators or
Reapers launched a second salvo of missiles into the hideout.

This follows airstrikes and Yemeni military activity against AQAP over the weekend.

Read "civilians" as "people who just happen to hang with al-Qaeda on a Tuesday afternoon."

Come to think of it even the al-Qaeda are "civilians", they are unlawful belligerents.

Übergeek 바둑이: Speaking of kids, do you have any? lets say you do and they are 4 and 5 and have been burried alive in a small container with limited oxygen (4 hours). You have the guy who burried them. They will die of suffocation unless he tells you where he burried them. What would you do? (in this case I wouldn't use a drone nor would I use waterboarding - I'd Jack Bauer him.

rod03801: Yeah but if they had just blown him up they wouldn't get all this bad press about waterboarding. Heck, when I was a kid, we waterboarded all the time down at the beach!