(V): Lol you keep changing you weak argument,

(V): Truth is Jules all networks do much of the same. It's a competition remember? As for dating back 160 years, it couldn't have started with Murdock now could it? ABC, NBC, CBS, and ALL THE OTHERS do much the same as the presentation is the thing.

As I said, you grasp at straws.

In truth, people ought to get their news from a variety of sources and a variety of perspectives. I always watch the network world news in addition to other sources. But I know that unless I did deeply, I'll never hear the full story on any news program. They only have a few minutes to present the top highlights of any newsworthy item. No cable/tv program can do a story justice. And no one source can provide one with every ounce of truth there is to be had. There's always the Paul Harvey element to any story.

But with Fox one does get a more balanced view. Liberal views are presented alongside more conservative views. That approach sells. One-sided sloppy journalism such as MSNBC does not.

The Geek likes Russian TV. Well, he gets what he pays for then. They are hardly advocates of truth. They too present a slanted view as does PBS and BBC. There's always a slant. Question is, to which direction does the slant lean? Not speaking of left or right here. Fox leans on the side of what's factually true. The others not so much. CNN comes close. PBS covers issues well but they too have a left lean. It says so in their memos. It's up to the viewers/readers to sort things out.

Like so many, you simply dismiss Fox outright. That's a red flag. And you're only proof for anything is your babble. You speak a lot, but say nothing. If I wasn't already bald, I'd get a bald spot from scratching my head.

(V): BTW, where did you get that info as you didn't use quotes and didn't reference a source. Are you trying to claim those are your own words?

(V): Wrong. I see none of that. It's all new school. You just make this stuff up as you go. You're like the losing team who stays on the field even though the game is long over.

(V): so what???

(V): I knew you couldn't provide examples. You have none.

(V): The problem is, you have your "facts" wrong. And rantings are not evidence. Most people know the difference.

(V): Such as? Oh yeah that's right, you don't provide evidence for your claims. You just say it as if it's really true.

(V): Facts are stubborn things. But if you like straws please, continue to grasp.

Übergeek 바둑이: Interesting isn't it that FNC is the most popular cable news outlet but it, as you say, slants left. That ought to speak volumes to you leftys but you ignore the obvious. Could it possibly be that Fox presents a fair and balanced view of issues. Even Hannity has regular liberal contributors. O'Reilly has them on every day and they rarely agree with him. You don't get the diversity of opinion on the other broadcasts. People watch Fox because they trust it. Sad for you that you have to resort to a dishonest appraisal of Fox so that your ideology can be pampered.

(V): you've become boring again

Bernice: People like Jack just can't get over the fact that Fox is successful because it's fair and honest. So they like to attack it in as many ways as they can even to the point of making things up (see Jack's previous posts for examples).

Bernice: Great post. That bum has to go.

Jules you'd never survive the no spin zone.

FNC = Fox NEWS (news...get it??) Channel.

News

news

not sitcoms

news

it's always been about news

news = apples

apples to apples FNC kicks butt ALL DAY LONG



The others (especially CBS) --->

2. February 2012, 18:33:29
Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for Tuesday, February 1, 2012
P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
Total Day
FNC 1,190 317 565

CNN 409 135 174
MSNBC 490 123 213
CNBC 194 55 106
FBN 61 13 28
HLN 235 68 118

Primetime P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC 2,389 536 1,024

CNN 675 225 296
MSNBC 1,002 234 442
CNBC 265 93 112
FBN 51 16 30
HLN 398 82 199

Net Morning programs (6-9 AM) P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC FOX & Friends 1,039 323 584

CNN Early Start/Starting Point 217 87 107
MSNBC Morning Joe 419 149 216
CNBC Squawk Box 156 55 111
HLN Morning Express w/ Meade 246 106 144

Net 5PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC FIVE, THE 1,755 465 812

CNN Situation Room 583 119 179
MSNBC Hardball WITH C. MATTHEWS 830 146 280
CNBC FAST MONEY 235 41 109
HLN HLN SPECIAL REPORT 227 24 68

Net 6PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC SPECIAL RPT W/BRET BAIER 1,862 423 760

CNN John King USA 498 156 204
MSNBC POLITICS NATION 875 183 334
CNBC Mad Money 208 63 118
HLN Prime News 258 58 107

Net 7PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC The Fox Report W/S.SMITH 1,815 455 830

CNN ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT 440 180 209
MSNBC Hardball WITH C. MATTHEWS 981 257 437
CNBC Kudlow Report 168 54 90
HLN ISSUES 330 91 200

Net 8PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC THE OREILLY FACTOR 3,302 667 1,292

CNN Anderson Cooper 360 554 178 236
MSNBC Ed Show 1,045 231 458
CNBC M. ZUCKERBERG: INSIDE FB 227 64 96
HLN Nancy Grace 535 109 268

Net 9PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC Hannity 2,058 480 916

CNN Piers Morgan Tonight 819 266 360
MSNBC Rachel Maddow Show 1,054 249 470
CNBC AMERICAN GREED 313 116 115
HLN Dr. Drew 392 85 188

Net 10PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC ON THE RECORD W/GRETA 1,805 459 861

CNN Anderson Cooper 360 651 229 291
MSNBC Last Word W/ L. ODONNELL 903 220 396
CNBC AMERICAN GREED 256 99 125
HLN Nancy Grace 282 55 151

Net 11PM P2+ (000s) 25-54 (000s) 35-64 (000s)
FNC THE OREILLY FACTOR 1,226 463 675

CNN ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT 330 129 161
MSNBC Ed Show 557 117 264
CNBC Mad Money 152 86 99
HLN SHOWBIZ TONIGHT 361 128

(V): You just don't like the fact that Fox is the number one new cable program beating out all others including the regular networks. CBS is dead last. Facts are stubborn things.

(V): CBS isn't a cable network. And in my original post, I said "Fox is the number one cable news program in the US for TEN years"

When one refers to Fox cable they are talking news because that's all fox runs on that network. Fox cable differs from it's regular network.

(V): And CBS is DEAD LAST in news ratings. Fox is number one. Did I mention that it's been number one for TEN YEARS???

(V): Nice bait and switch. When you're losing an argument, it's only natural that you'd try to "fix" things. But in my original post I CLEARLY said cable news.

"Fox is the number one cable news program in the US for TEN years and it will only continue to climb. MSNBC is in the pits and CNN is second by way down on the list. I love that people whine about Fox but that FOX is the most popular cable network anywhere. Oh yeah, Bill O'Reilly smashes the competition in his time slot all the time. Most Fox programs dominate. Even the liberals love to watch Fox."

This is the fact you tried to dispute. Now you're changing things because you have no case.

Shall I go on.  

<span><span>Fox News Channel is celebrating a milestone. The end of January marks 10 years since it eclipsed CNN as the top-rated cable news network, a status it has not relinquished.<span> Fox News Chairman and CEO Roger Ailes said he was “extremely proud” of the achievement and recognizes how difficult it is to sustain such a level of success.

(V): I'm talking news. Fox cable doesn't run Idol. Two different Fox channels. And when you compare apples to apples, Fox wins. Deal with it.

Bwild:

Bernice: Most don't like the fact that Fox dominates the ratings. So since the left cant have the ratings, the settle for the ratings.

(V): Jules, you just have to get over your aversion to Fox. The numbers are clear. And the precise simply means that the margin for error is within acceptable percentage points. No one beats Fox overall. Period.

(V): Jules. You just like to nitpic. The ratings system might not be perfect but it still gives an accurate picture of those programs that are the most popular (and which programs are dogs). In the case of this discussion, you just don't like the FACT that Fox has out performed all the others for the past TEN YEARS. Sorry if that disapponts your dislike of Fox but it's a reality. And the margin that Fox trounces its opponents is significant. When it comes to news, Fox wins hands down. And no amount of complaining on your part will change that fact.

Anyone can look at the ratings formulas and see that they fairly represent various demographics in their samplings. Just because you can cite a critic doesn't mean that the measurements used aren't reliable. One thing is very clear: Fox is CLEARLY number one with viewers. And the margin for error is insignificant when comparing the number one spot (Fox - of course) with number two on down.

(V): I have studied both as well and the process that is used is very sound and accepted by top statisticians.

(V): Sure it's vague. And you're the expert. I should have known.

And so it goes. The left rants against the BEST because they best they could come up with was Air America

And so they RANT. On and on.

But they show no proof.

It's more like a temper tantrum.

Yinka Adegoke
Reuters
10:06 p.m. CST, January 31, 2012

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(Reuters) - Shepard Smith, the 48-year-old Fox News anchor, admits that he was happy hardly anyone watched the network at first.

"We really needed the practice," said Smith, the Holly Springs, Mississippi, native who has been with Fox News since its launch in 1996.

Practice appears to have paid off - Fox News on Tuesday marked its tenth consecutive year as the No. 1 rated cable news network. Nielsen data shows that Fox News averaged 1.9 million primetime viewers this January, up 78 percent from January 2002 when the network first laid claim to the top-rated news network crown with an average of just over 1 million viewers per night in primetime.

Although "cable beats broadcast" ratings news items are beginning to be a bit like "dog bites man", it's worth noting that last night's The O'Reilly Factor on FOX News topped NBC's Rock Center with Brian Williams viewership 3.417 million to 3.293 million.

As in all cases of cable v. broadcast, the broadcast network is available in noticeably more US households, NBC is in approximately 115m households and FOX News is in approximately 99 million.


So let's see, even though there are FEWER available viewers for Fox cable, they STILL BEAT the competition....hands down.

(V): NOTHING will come of it. Fox will not only remain strong, they will continue to dominate. Too bad for the others.

(V): Sorry Jules but please provide some EVIDENCE that Fox isn't number one. The ratings are clear and precise. Fox pulls in millions. The others only thousands. Period. Suck it up.

(V): We know all that. You've posted this before. Big woop. The bigger question is who was directly responsible for the phone hacking? That's an important fact. If Murdock knew of it and ok'd it, then you've got something. If not, then it's a local one time offense. And that article is from July and I don't see a big global thing here. It hasn't changed a thing. Fox is still number one.

".....look, we're going to start a cable network. But the last thing people need is another liberal leaning network that simply spews out biased reporting in favor of left wing policies. Instead, we're going to have a balanced approach. Conservatism sells, so that's what we'll give the public. But we'll have liberals sit along side conservatives and have "punch counterpunch" style debates. And let's see if we can hire that O'Reilly guy. He's going places. Let's be sure that when he gets big it's with us....."

CNN was number one in those days. And why did Fox bury them all? Because the other networks are simply puppets for the liberal party in America. Fox dances to its own beat. It's unique. And every time you liberals whine about it, and angel gets its wings.

(V): You won't have a repeat event like in the UK. And it will take more than that little event to bring Murdock down.

(V): Can't be me. I never bring him up. Just stating a fact that you seem to lose sleep over. Fox is number one. That means that most people who watch the news get it from Fox. In a demographic study, they found that a huge number of college educated folks watch Fox regularly. hmmmmmm

(V): I think you have a fetish for Murdock. Fox is the number one cable news program in the US for TEN years and it will only continue to climb. MSNBC is in the pits and CNN is second by way down on the list. I love that people whine about Fox but that FOX is the most popular cable network anywhere. Oh yeah, Bill O'Reilly smashes the competition in his time slot all the time. Most Fox programs dominate. Even the liberals love to watch Fox.

(V): And we both know politics is mud slinging. which is why the Repubs can't seem to find a decent candidate to run against Obama. It's a nasty business. As for Newt, you're stating old news and apparently it's not enough to keep him from running for office. I'll bet there are more like Newt (like Pelosi) who fudge on their taxes (like Rangle did and so do many other dems). They write the laws but can't even keep track of them!

Either way, it's old news and that Turk is a Jerk and his blather won't work. And if you have something more current, with a reliable data source, then you've got something. But with the media mostly for the Left, where's the beef?

(V): are you talking 20 years ago?

(V): No, I actually don't know he's right. And if he were, it would be all over the news that Newt broke the law. That guy is a radical left wing lying fact twisting moron. He's unreliable. And in this case, he's not presenting anything factual. No evidence, just his big blowhard mouth stumbling along. He's an idiot.

What I'm asking of you is to provide a reliable source that backs up this idiot's claims. If you can't do that, then it simply proves my case. You can find anything on the internet. And idiots on the left can make any claim they want but that doesn't make it true. Remember Rather-gate? Proof positive that the left will say whatever they can to attack someone on the right. But in this case, Rather lost his career over it and still has plenty of mud sticking to his ugly face.

(V): I don't trust one word that guy says. I wish you'd come up with a more reliable and less biased source.

Übergeek 바둑이: You forgot, "Just like a Guatemalan."

(V): First of all: Why did they video tape it??? And how is it that tapes like this get out??? Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb!!! I hope those idiots all get discharged and lose all their $$ etc. Idiots.

Bernice:

Despite the gloomy economic situation, the United States has become the world's most generous nation, according to this year's Charities Aid Foundation's World Giving Index.
Ireland is ranked second followed by Australia, New Zealand and the U.K. Charities Aid Foundation used Gallup's Worldview Poll to look at three behaviors: "giving money, volunteering time and helping a stranger."
The U.S. came out on top after being ranked fifth last year.
"Overall the World Giving Index demonstrates that the world has become a more charitable place over the last 12 months - with a 2 percent increase in the global population 'helping a stranger' and a 1% increase in people volunteering," CAF said in its press release.
The Washington Post, reporting on the survey, shows that wealth and charity don't necessarily go together. Of the world's top 20 wealthiest nations, only 5 made it into the top 20 most charitable.
And who is bringing up the rear as least charitable nations?
China, Russia, and India.


Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/12/us_regains_top_spot_as_worlds_most_charitable_nation.html#ixzz1hDjsd5LE

(V): Maybe it was his journalistic style I liked so well. Don't know. I just enjoyed listening to how he said things.

(V):Hitchens was an intellectual and a gentleman. Dawkins is smart, but not at Hitchens level of intellect. Dawkins didn't have an anti-religion passion, he had hate. And he wore his hate on his sleeve.

Bernice: I thought so too