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10. Elokuu 2011, 18:04:16
Papa Zoom 
The way Obama operates:

"We have no plan, we aren't working a plan and our plan isn't working."


10. Elokuu 2011, 01:29:11
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:Talking about and when I participate I give
Muokannut Papa Zoom (10. Elokuu 2011, 01:29:26)
Mousetrap: on my way





10. Elokuu 2011, 01:15:47
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:Talking about and when I participate I give
Mousetrap: I've been a secret weapon of the police here.

10. Elokuu 2011, 01:13:15
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re: They dont care about innocent people being affected.
Mousetrap: exactly

10. Elokuu 2011, 01:12:17
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:Talking about
Mousetrap: When I participate in riots, I give them one of these:

10. Elokuu 2011, 01:02:30
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re: From official police page
Mousetrap: The mentality of people is so odd. To protest violence by police they riot, loot, and burn property of innocent people. Don't they see how stupid their own acts are?

10. Elokuu 2011, 00:49:24
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re: From official police page
Mousetrap: They may be painting a happy face to it. We've had civil disorder situations in the US and they are often downplayed by officials in order to give the appearance that the govt has things under control.

What are the rioters so upset over?

9. Elokuu 2011, 22:23:24
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:
(V): Maybe only the S&P did the responsible thing. Maybe the other rating agencies were afraid of congressional retribution.

9. Elokuu 2011, 21:14:56
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: More prrof Michael Moore is a fat moron
"Pres Obama, show some guts & arrest the CEO of Standard & Poors. These criminals brought down the economy in 2008 and now they will do it again," Mr. Moore wrote.

Water board the fat slob and when he screams enough, keep the water running.

9. Elokuu 2011, 20:53:44
Papa Zoom 
The largest construction boondoggle in recorded human history continues to unfold in the Central Valley of California. The initial segment of Obama's pet project, a high-speed rail line from Merced to Bakersfield, just had its first announced cost overrun. With costs jumping from $7.1 billion to a staggering $13.9 billion, the project now has doubled in price even before a single shovelful of earth is turned. Now that is the seat-of-the-pants, lets just make up a number, government contracting that the Democrats and the unions so dearly love.

*here's an interesting quote from the article: "Critics say the project is in danger of runaway costs at a time when tax dollars are scarce."

*And I LOVE this next paragraph: "Ya gotta love the line; "Critics say the project is in danger of runaway costs at a time when tax dollars are scarce." Really? Just critics? How about any thinking person with an IQ above room temperature could foresee that the cost of this segment of the rail line will exceed $30 billion dollars? As a reference, Boston's Big Dig will cost $22 billion by the time it is paid for in 2038."

9. Elokuu 2011, 17:44:39
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Downgrade is on the Dems
"What did the Democrats do with respect to federal debt during the four years they controlled both Houses of Congress?" Hinderaker asks. Why they just merrily rolled along, increasing the debt without any plan, short term or long term, to repay it.



Here is a summary of the deficits the Democrats racked up during that time:

FY 2008 -- $460 billion
FY 2009 -- $1,410 billion ($1.4 trillion)
FY 2010 -- $1,300 billion ($1.3 trillion)
FY 2011 -- $1,600 (estimated) ($1.6 trillion)

9. Elokuu 2011, 07:06:13
Papa Zoom 

It hasn’t been a good couple weeks for climate change proponents. And that seems to be getting under Al Gore’s skin.


On July 28, it was revealed that the scientist behind the polar-bears-are-in-trouble research is being investigated for “scientific misconduct” regarding the article oft-sited by climate change leaders. Then, a new study of NASA data revealed that the earth is actually allowing more heat to escape the planet than previously thought by the climate change community


Say it isn't so!  lol.  Ya think maybe there's more?  Hmmm, didn't I say a long time ago that this was all a hoax?  But wait, there's more.


"So maybe that’s why Al Gore decided to unleash on climate change skeptics last week during a speech at the Aspen Institute in Colorado. The Colorado Independent notes that Gore launched into a vulgar tirade while accusing skeptics of media manipulation:



The model of media manipulation used then, Gore said, “was transported whole cloth into the climate debate. And some of the exact same people — I can go down a list of their names — are involved in this. And so what do they do? They pay pseudo-scientists to pretend to be scientists to put out the message: ‘This climate thing, it’s nonsense. Man-made CO2 doesn’t trap heat. It may be volcanoes.’ Bull----! ‘It may be sun spots.’ Bull----! ‘It’s not getting warmer.’ Bull----!” Gore exclaimed."


Um yeah, man made warming as in hot under the collar! 


Gore has not been keeping up on the latest dat and peer-reviewed studies. Yes, volcanoes can and do have a big impact on global warming.


Here's the rest of the article:  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/%e2%80%98bullst%e2%80%99-al-gore-comes-%e2%80%98unhinged%e2%80%99-during-climate-change-speech/


Some of you will pretend to be scientists and dispute verified facts and peer reviewed papers but you'll still be wrong.  Even a dummy like me knows better. 


9. Elokuu 2011, 03:09:24
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:
Vikings: I've got my plane ticket. One stop over in London to watch the riots and then I'm off to France.

9. Elokuu 2011, 02:00:38
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:
Bernice: People who think they are entitled to more than they are getting can be that way. The left is like that here as is the radical right. Moderate left isn't but most left leaning people are in the category of mob mentality.

And multiculturalism is a dismal failure. Sad but we've all been duped.

8. Elokuu 2011, 22:35:02
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:
(V): Since you got that off the net, I can only assume that it is. But it's not the point I made. I actually sent you the official government report. hmmmmmm

8. Elokuu 2011, 22:10:17
Papa Zoom 

8. Elokuu 2011, 22:05:30
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re: And I said INCOME taxes, not taxes. There's a difference.
(V): The only point I'm making is that it's a FACT that there are a lot of people that pay no Federal income taxes.

http://finance.senate.gov/newsroom/ranking/download/?id=9fe27e9f-a5e0-4010-8461-ffc00b5c00ef

8. Elokuu 2011, 21:51:30
Papa Zoom 
Good News: Islamists Will "Use Force" to Institute Sharia in .... LONDON

We've been writing about the Islamists at Muslims Against the Crusades wanting to create sharia zones now for a few weeks, but this RT report is pretty good (for instance, it reports that the Sharia would require punishment for apostasy) and it notes that Abu Izzadeen and Anjem Choudary have organized gangs to not only verbally harass Muslims not living up to their version of Islamic standards, but also to use physical force to get rid of vices they deem un-Islamic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN6CHtGGo4g&feature=player_embedded

8. Elokuu 2011, 21:33:24
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re: For example, 51% of eligible tax payers in the US pay ZERO income taxes.
(V): No, it is true. It's being said by tax experts and can be verified via the IRS stats. And I said INCOME taxes, not taxes. There's a difference.

8. Elokuu 2011, 21:19:44
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:
(V): Of course I understand that. I'm just stating the facts as they can be found on the in IRS reporting. For example, 51% of eligible tax payers in the US pay ZERO income taxes.

When Obama asks for everyone to pay their fair share, he only mentions the rich. He leaves out this huge number. OVER HALF of income earners pay nothing. Something isn't right.

8. Elokuu 2011, 20:46:15
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:
(V): I must be a moron then.

8. Elokuu 2011, 20:03:00
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:
(V): Australia, Austria, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France (yes, France), Germany, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom all have lower corporate tax rates than the US.


So maybe you're saying that they should raise those rates to be more in line with the US rates?

8. Elokuu 2011, 18:30:18
Papa Zoom 
I'm moving to France.

8. Elokuu 2011, 18:30:05
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Why Democrats are destructive idiots:
all of the countries with AAA-rated debt (as compared to the United States' AA+-rated debt) already have lower corporate tax rates than the US does. Specifically, Australia, Austria, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France (yes, France), Germany, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom all have lower corporate tax rates than the US.

The average corporate tax rate in these countries is 27.5% versus the current US tax rate of 39.2%. The US tax rate is 42% higher in relative terms and almost 12% higher in absolute terms. The Democrats are recommending increasing that disparity. I am confused but not surprised by this.


Get it though yer heads. The liberals want MORE corporate tax rates. MORE.

Defend that one oh liberals.

8. Elokuu 2011, 18:01:10
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:
(V): The US, like other countries, doens't have a revenu problem. they have a spending problem. They need to get that through their thick heads. Both parties.

8. Elokuu 2011, 07:10:49
Papa Zoom 
S&P is threatening to lower the United States credit rating again within the next two years if our debt isn't decreased. They said it, not us:




"The outlook on the long-term rating is negative. We could lower the long-term rating to ‘AA’ within the next two years if we see that less reduction in spending than agreed to, higher interest rates, or new fiscal pressures during the period result in a higher general government debt trajectory than we currently assume in our base case."

It said it would give more details on Monday of changes to ratings in funds, government-related entities, financial institutions, insurance and public finance.


Libs need to get with the program. But people said from the beginning that Obama was going to deliberately ruin America. He's well on his way.

8. Elokuu 2011, 06:49:55
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: who said
"My Presidency Will Be ‘A One-Term Proposition‘ if Economy Doesn’t Turn Around in ‘3 Years’"


6. Elokuu 2011, 23:32:02
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:
(V): hehehe, I see that now.

6. Elokuu 2011, 21:47:34
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:
(V): I was watching CNN this moring and they were saying the same thing. And I didn't cherry pick anything, I offered a sound bite. And it wasn't from Fox. It was from the American Thinker Blog.

6. Elokuu 2011, 21:45:41
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:
rod03801: True. And it's been a long time coming. Many administrations and Representatives share the blame for the fix we're in. They need to start pressing for a balanced budget amendment.

6. Elokuu 2011, 18:19:46
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:
The Col: That's a left wing talking point.

There has to be a time in the history of the US where the out of control spending and the never ending raising of the debt ceiling stops. The PEOPLE have said now is the time. It has to stop now. It's gone way way too far And Obama has a significant role in the financial demise of the US. He has put us into more debt than any other president!

So I don't buy your agrument of "hostage" taking etc.

Obama is an incompetent. He owns this. He had TWO YEARS of House and Senate control. So don't blame the Republicans. This is all on him.

6. Elokuu 2011, 17:41:18
Papa Zoom 
Chalk up another historic achievement for the Obama presidency. For the first time ever, United States government obligations have been downgraded from AAA to AA+ by Standard & Poor's. Barack Obama's vision of America as an exceptional country, just the way Greeks think Greece is a special country, is one step closer to fruition.

6. Elokuu 2011, 17:31:30
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re: Obama said "...we have made some incredible strides together"
Übergeek 바둑이: BTW, S&P isn't and obscure organization. And you're wrong about the downgrade. I've been listening all morning to the news and every expert talking head says the same thing: The US has been downgraded. period.

6. Elokuu 2011, 17:01:45
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:
Justaminute: You are right that Obama inherited a mess. But he didn't make things better, he made them worse. He tried to spend his way out of debt. Try that with your budget and see where it leads. He tripled the daily debt that Bush had. In the history of presidents, Obama has spent the most and incurred more debt that any of the others. And he did this in short order. He's created job killing regulations and more is on the way. He talks down to legislators and is anything but a leader. He can't bring the parties together (we need Clinton back! He at least got things done in spite of the fact that the Repubs tried to kick him out of office).

Obama is a failure.

Nation debt has doubled in the past 5 years. The majority of that increase came under Obama.

6. Elokuu 2011, 16:55:23
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re: Obama said "...we have made some incredible strides together"
Übergeek 바둑이: We've never had a downgrade before. Now we do. Wallstreet reacted once again.

Obamacare is bad. It's impossible to fund and it's a job killer. The more government does, the less effective it is.

6. Elokuu 2011, 06:05:43
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: And now a word from our sponsor
Here's an idea to combat terrorism
The government should closely monitor the Internet and social-networking sites that engage in what the government calls, "violent extremist narratives."

Call it what you will. but close monitoring of the internet could yield valuable intel regarding terrorist chatter. Have some key word tags and a thousand little bots out there searching and just another way to fight the bad guys.

6. Elokuu 2011, 05:59:18
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:
Bernice:

I'm fair and balanced and offer no spin

6. Elokuu 2011, 04:22:51
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Obama said "...we have made some incredible strides together"
Yeah, he must mean that he's the FIRST president in US history to have the country's debt credit rating DOWNGRADED!

Now That's an incredible stride!

Let's all hang on for the liberal talking points and watch them frantically point fingers away from themselves. They will probably blame James Garfield for this one.

6. Elokuu 2011, 03:31:11
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:
(V): I think Bernice's point was that those on the dole are not contributing to society yet are consuming the benefits. Many of these folks are in situations that warrant the help. Others are leeches. And there are plenty of those leeches around - those who could work, but don't. They have plenty of excuses that excuses wont' pay the bills.

6. Elokuu 2011, 03:28:47
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:Wrong Jules, you went from the use of sarcasm, to fear tactics. Very
Muokannut Papa Zoom (6. Elokuu 2011, 03:31:34)
(V): The current mess is now Obama's problem and he's done plenty to exacerbate it. He blames others, but if things were going great, we all know The Great One would take credit. So he also should own plenty of blame for the horrible state of affairs. And his ideas are only going to make things worse. He's too stupid to know that.

5. Elokuu 2011, 22:40:48
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re:Wrong Jules, you went from the use of sarcasm, to fear tactics. Very
The original post is below. The point here (made sarcastically) is that Obama is bragging about the "incredible strides" his administration has made. The author points out the huge deficit, and huge unemployment as hallmarks of Obama's policies. It's not meant as a fear tactic, it was meant to make fun of "The Great One."



(V): This man is pathetic.
In a speech at a campaign fundraiser Wednesday night (August 3, 2011), president Obama said "...we have made some incredible strides together" but "...we're not even halfway there yet". Excuse me! Half way to where? Where are we going? Do we have to go? Or are you going to drag us kicking and screaming by the scruffs of our necks?

Do you mean you will take us to 18% unemployment instead of the current 9%, $28 trillion in debt instead of the current $14 trillion, $8 per gallon gasoline prices instead of $4? Will taxes double?

No one can say we haven't been warned.

5. Elokuu 2011, 22:25:55
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re: probably best to view the entire study rather than cherry pic
(V): doesn't matter where you got it, you still cherry picked

And you're not bringing it back to point, that never was a point. YOu strayed from the original point and inserted that.

That said, it's unlikely that any group has never used scare tactics at one time or another. Obama has mastered it and uses it regularly. I agree that Bush used it as well. But he's not in office. So that point is meaningless.

5. Elokuu 2011, 19:44:45
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re: probably best to view the entire study rather than cherry pic

5. Elokuu 2011, 19:19:10
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Is this the way to help in the creation of jobs?
Aren't you glad that Obama is once again going to "pivot" and focus on jobs now?

He might want to start by reigning in his runaway bureaucracy who are more concerned about carving out fiefdoms than in getting out of the way of job creation:


While Congress was focused on increasing the debt limit and giving Americans the impression that they were actually working towards reducing our debt (which didn't happen), President Obama and his administration quietly piled on $9.5 billion worth of regulations to job creators...in just one month!

"While Washington and Americans have been focused on the debt ceiling, the Obama administration has continued to roll our more crushing red tape," a spokesperson for Senator John Barrasso (R-WY) said.

The new regulatory costs include 229 new rules and the finalization of an additional 379 rules, the majority of which came from (no surprise) the EPA, the new healthcare takeover law, and the Dodd-Frank financial takeover law.

So as President Obama and his liberal allies complained that enough wasn't being done to stimulate job growth during the debt debate, we find out that they were actually working to make it even harder to create jobs. The President has also indicated - for the Nth time - that he will now "pivot" towards creating jobs.

5. Elokuu 2011, 19:16:31
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re: So.. you are saying
(V): Stay on point and I'll discuss anything.

5. Elokuu 2011, 19:12:01
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re: So.. you are saying
(V): Whenever you start your reply like this, "So.. you are saying" I know you're about to twist what's being said.

5. Elokuu 2011, 19:07:59
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re: Scaremongering.. isn't that a liberal trait?
(V): Jules, that article was using sarcasm.

5. Elokuu 2011, 18:58:14
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re: Scaremongering.. isn't that a liberal trait?
(V): It's the only thing they know.

5. Elokuu 2011, 18:57:32
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: Re: Quite a few churches operate like businesses and their church leaders make a lot of money.
(V): Many of those are charlatans.

5. Elokuu 2011, 18:21:50
Papa Zoom 
Otsikko: This man is pathetic.
In a speech at a campaign fundraiser Wednesday night (August 3, 2011), president Obama said "...we have made some incredible strides together" but "...we're not even halfway there yet". Excuse me! Half way to where? Where are we going? Do we have to go? Or are you going to drag us kicking and screaming by the scruffs of our necks?

Do you mean you will take us to 18% unemployment instead of the current 9%, $28 trillion in debt instead of the current $14 trillion, $8 per gallon gasoline prices instead of $4? Will taxes double?

No one can say we haven't been warned.

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