Tuesday said: ""He would add plenty of stuff, including explicitly authorizing castration as punishment for child rapists."

Tuesday said:Would you put them backout in society?"

**It's not going to happen. No society that's civilized will castrate offenders. But it's not a bad idea. Then I'd lock them up for life.

Tuesday said:" What if someone is wrongly accused like an exes spite case..better cut off their hands too if rightly accused cuz they will use something else."

**A silly response. It's not going to happen. But I've seen the after effects of abuse and it's a life-long sentence for the victims. I don't have much sympathy for pedophiles and have no sympathy for "rehabilitation."

Tuesday said:"Let's get rid property taxes too, you wouldn't get a pay check."

**I never made that suggestion and wouldn't. And it's a lame connection to a teacher paycheck. All public employees deserve to be compensated for their work.

""I'd bet you don't even know the original purpose of the Constitutional principle of birthright".

Tuesday said:Try to have a debate without insulting. I know it's difficult for you. I didn't write this I posted it."

**You say to try to debate without insulting, and follow it by an insult.

**Let me rephrase it: I KNOW you DON'T even have a clue regarding the original purpose of constitutional behind the 14th.

Recess appointments. Obama uses this privilege (abuses it really) dishonestly.

Pedro Martínez: I think that's why it's a good idea to look at the current law, adjust it so that it can't be exploited by those who do so illegally, and at the same time, consider all the possible scenarios and find language that covers those clearly. My attitude is that someone seeking to legally enter the US, if they have a child here (before they are granted citizenship) that child should be automatically given citizenship. However, anyone who enters the US illegally, and have a child while here, that child is NOT granted automatic citizenship. Visitors to the US, if they have a child while visiting, do not get citizenship for that child. It's for people who are here legally with intentions of seeking citizenship themselves. Those on worker programs here legally but living in another country, should also not be granted citizenship to their children born here. The Republican party is right on in looking at amending the 14th. Clearly, the 14th's original purpose is being abused and Democrats are looking the other way (because it means votes for them - they don't really care about the people - ultimately they only care about remaining in power.

Tuesday: Democrats ONLY want birthright for one reason: Votes. They don't care about he abuse that's going on. As long as they can retain power, that's all they care about.

The 14th amendment was NEVER intended for anchor babies. I fully support the change the Republicans are trying to make. YOU on the other hand seem fine about supporting fraud.

The purpose and REASON for the 14th: The Fourteenth Amendment (Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868 as one of the Reconstruction Amendments.

Its Citizenship Clause provides a broad definition of citizenship that overruled the decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857), which held that blacks could not be citizens of the United States.

It was NOT so that people could cross the boarder illeaglly (a word Dems don't understand) have their baby (at taxpayer's expense) and then USE THAT CHILD A AND EXCUSE TO STAY IN THE US!.

This is NOT the intention of the 14th. During the original debate over the amendment Senator Jacob M. Howard of Michigan—the author of the Citizenship Clause—described the clause as excluding "persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers." He was supported by other senators, including Edgar Cowan, Reverdy Johnson, and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lyman Trumbull.

It makes complete sense to take a look at this amendment and close the "loophole" whereby those that cross the border illegally FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF HAVING THEIR BABY INSIDE THE BORDERS OF THE US will NOT be granted citizenship for their child. Those here illegally, who break our LAWS (democrats have trouble with that concept) should NOT be granted citizenship. They should be sent back to their own country. Do it legally or get sent back. We have laws, obey them or leave.

You liberals have a problem with that concept.

Tuesday: They already have this. What the libs means is that people like me, who work hard, (and my home is PAID FOR) should have our money STOLEN FROM US so that some lazy welfare ground feeder can get a free or reduced house. BS

Did you know that the Bible says that if you won't work you shouldn't be fed? Newsflash: you have to contribute or you should go without!

Tuesday: Which means they can CHANCE IT TO MEAN SOMETHING ELSE !

Tuesday: I hope it gets through. I'd bet you don't even know the original purpose of the Constitutional principle of birthright.

Tuesday: "He wants to get rid of the language about birthright citizenship,"
A good idea.

" federal income taxes"

They need to change

" and direct election of senators,"

We didn't elect senators directly until Congress changed it. He just wants to go back to the way the Founders set it up.

"He would add plenty of stuff, including explicitly authorizing castration as punishment for child rapists."

WithOUT a local. AND, I'll throw in a pound of salt in that wound.

Übergeek 바둑이: this is that to which I don't agree.

Tuesday: I don't agree.

Übergeek 바둑이: It's simply not the case that they are the same. But there is no point going over it with you again.

Jim Dandy: Nothing like that at all.

Jim Dandy: Who can really understand God? But as I understand it, the Spirit is personal, distinct from God the Father, but ONE with the Father. The Spirit IS God as God is God as Jesus is God. The Spirit is the second Person of the Trinity.

Übergeek 바둑이: Christians don't claim that the God of the Jews isn't the same ONE as the God of the Christians. They are the same.

Jim Dandy: And that makes you an expert.

Jim Dandy: And you know this how?

Pedro Martínez: Well put. As for the Trinitarian view, that is the orthodox view and those that claim Jesus is not also God are outside of orthodoxy. Jesus asked, "Who do you say that I am." and the answer, which Jesus applauded was, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the Most High God." Not a son, but The Son. Many other things Jesus said indicated (at least to the Jews at the time) that He was equal with God, fully ONE with God. He was worshiped and Jesus accepted that worship. My view is that it is NOT a Christian teaching that Jesus was a son of God. Rather, it is a view put out by people who "claim" to be Christians but are well outside accepted orthodoxy. In Christianity, Jesus matters. And who Christians believe HE is matters completely. A wrong view of Jesus ultimately means that the Jesus you follow is a creation of your own and that would be viewed as a false Jesus. It mattered to Jesus who people claimed He was. He Himself claimed to be God so if Jesus wasn't really God, he is as Lewis said, on the level of a poached egg.

"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
— C.S. Lewis (Mere Christianity)

Vikings: As per usual, Jules doesn't know what he's talking about with respect to the god of Islam. It's much wiser to take the word of someone whose been on the inside of the Islamic faith. Walid Shoebat is an expert on Islam having been raised as a Muslim and was an active PLO terrorist. I've heard him speak twice and he's powerful. He explains for one that the god of Islam is NOT the same as the God of the Bible. I'll take his word over someone who really doesn't have a full understanding.

Jesus is the Christian God. Jesus is God in the flesh. Jesus and God are ONE. In Islam, Jesus is denied as God and called only a prophet. Islam god is one. The Christian God is triune. Allah was worshiped before Muhammad and was one of the hundreds of gods that Arabs worshiped. He was the chief God and Muhammad simply took that god and made him the only god of Islam. Allah was a pagan god before Islam was ever created. Cries to the contrary are cries against historical facts. And as we all know, facts are stubborn things.

The White House’s Joke Transparency
by Ben Domenech
During his presidential campaign, there were few subjects Barack Obama was more unequivocal about than transparency. He committed to bringing the sunlight, and bringing it hard — five days guaranteed for legislation posted online, debates held openly on C-SPAN, online access to all aspects of stimulus projects, and so on.

The news this week, of course, is an indication that these were all just words:

President Obama has abolished the position in his White House dedicated to transparency and shunted those duties into the portfolio of a partisan ex-lobbyist who is openly antagonistic to the notion of disclosure by government and politicians

House Ways and Means ranking member Dave Camp (R-Mich.) on Friday released data complied by his office that shows 48 out of 50 states have lost jobs since the February 2009 enactment of the economic stimulus bill.

"While Democrats promised their 2009 stimulus would create 3.7 million jobs, the reality is far different," stated a release from Camp's office. "To date, 2.6 million jobs, including 2.5 million private sector jobs, have been lost."

Tuesday: Understanding me you are not. olo

Tuesday: Say do you why that?

No idea I've got what you are about talking.

Muhammad said Satan passes wind and runs so he may not hear the Adhan (call to prayer).
Allah's Apostle said, "When the Adhan for the prayer is pronounced, then Satan takes to his heels passing wind so that he may not hear the Adhan and when the Muadh-dhin finishes, he comes back; Volume 2, Book 22, Number 313: Narrated Abu Huraira,

Gee, I've done that.

Muhammad said that yawning is from Satan.
The Prophet said, "Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you (during the act of yawning) should say: 'Ha', Satan will laugh at him." Volume 4, Book 54, Number 509:

A man slept through prayer time and the devil peed in his ear: "It was mentioned before the Prophet that there was a man who slept the night till morning (after sunrise). The Prophet said, 'He is a man in whose ears (or ear) Satan had urinated'" (Hadith Vol. 4, Book 54, #492).

hmmmm, there seems to be a theme here

Don't pass wind while praying: "Allah's Apostle said, 'The angels keep on asking Allah's forgiveness for anyone of you, as long as he is at his Mu,salla (praying place) and he does not pass wind (Hadath). They say, 'O Allah! Forgive him, O Allah! be Merciful to him'" (Hadith, Vol. 1, Book 8, #436).

Vikings: Why do that? Who will I fight with then?

Vikings: true. Eventually that fs will thrive again (with BK3.0)

Jim Dandy: we need a philosophy/religion board

Vikings: oh yeah

GTCharlie: YOu need to get on the right page here. They are not the same God. Just because Allah is Arabic for "God" doesn't mean that they are actually worshiping the same Deity. YOu have made a fatal error in logic.

Allah = God in Arabic.
Muslims worship Allah
Therefore Muslims worship the same God as do the Christians and Jews.

Jim Dandy: I've checked it out. You are wrong. clearly wrong. I doubt seriously that you have investigated this seriously. Clearly the Muslim god is NOT the same as the Christian God. But make your case for your claim.

Jim Dandy: um, I'm aware that it is NOT the same. You are mistaken. Very mistaken.

Obamacare supposed to create new jobs, reduce costs, lower the deficit and improve access?
But, no jobs created, costs are up and will rise even more, the deficit is ballooning, and access to a care provider is projected to get scarce. At best, access will be limited and wait times will be longer (in many cases waiting lists will decide who gets what care and when).

So much for improvements.

And even still, there will be MILLIONS with no health care coverage.

What a waste.

Pew: Jews Leaving Dems
Clarice Feldman
It turns out the Obamessiah really can pull off a miracle. Charles Blow of the NYT reports on a Pew poll which shows that Obama has performed the impossible. He's breaking the traditional hold the Democratic Party has had on Jewish voters:
... the number of Jews who identify as Republican or as independents who lean Republican has increased by more than half since the year he was elected. At 33 percent it now stands at the highest level since the data have been kept. In 2008, the ratio of Democratic Jews to Republican Jews was far more than three to one. Now it's less than two to one.

This is no doubt a reaction, at least in part, to the Obama administration having taken a hard rhetorical stance with Israel, while taking "special time and care on our relationship with the Muslim world," as Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, put it in June. If that sounds like courtship, it is.

(It should be noted that the Pew poll was taken before Obama's bold support for the right of Muslims to build a community center and mosque a few blocks north of ground zero.)

Ferris Bueller: BS and rubbish. Wake up people. um, it was ISLAMIC terrorists - MUSLIMS - that perpetrated this horrific act. They did this in the name of their god. And, this is par for the course with these extremist Muslims. It's not an isolated case but terrorist act in a long line of terrorist actions perpetuated by these extremest Muslims.

And what were the main-stream Muslims saying and doing in the aftermath of the 911 attacks?

Nothing.

YOu never make a solid argument. You just produce blather that is meaningless. What the hell does "ratcheting up the rhetoric" really mean? Can you spell it out or are you always going to hide behind comments devoid of substance and argument? I like to see you ONCE back up your position with a well-reasoned argument supported with SOME EVIDENCE. Are you capable of that?

Ferris Bueller: To me that is the utmost of compliments.

Tuesday:

Woodrow Wilson was a Democrat AND a Progressive.

nuff said

Tuesday: That may be your experience but it's not mine.

Tuesday: Bull Pucky. You don't even watch Beck. And I DO. This statement is a lie. So there.

Übergeek 바둑이: Bill Clinton was one of the few fiscally smart presidents. But was a wasteful spender. Cutting taxes works. But increasing spending does not. Anytime the government spends money, it's usually NOT GOOD for the economy.

Pedro Martínez: 70 Democrats currently serving in the Congress are members of the Socialist Party. At least they have the guts to put their cards on the table. The other socialist dems are still in the closet.

Bernice: Definitely wouldn't go well with conservative churches but liberal churches would probably embrace it.

Bernice: Yeah, I still am confused by your political terms. Wonder why they mean such different things? Here small government and fiscal conservatives are the Conservative party. They typicaly oppose abortion and entitlements. Libs the opposite. Sometimes the lines are blurred which is what many Repubs did during the Bush admin. For example, bush was a big spender. Not the way of the Conservative party.

Libs always run things into the ground. Their philosophy is wrong. Republicans loose out when they violate their principles of low spending, limited government, and deference to the states.