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1. Helmikuu 2009, 23:04:12
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Otsikko: Re:
Jim Dandy: lol, I forgot about Jim Dandy! 

1. Helmikuu 2009, 22:10:39
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Otsikko: Re:
Bernice:Zowie!  Nasty storms.  The mid-west has suffered a huge natural disaster.  Lots without power.  Mama nature must be on a roll.  She's zapping people all over the planet. 

1. Helmikuu 2009, 21:59:48
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Otsikko: Re: Ben Graham
Bernice:Australia rocks  :)

1. Helmikuu 2009, 21:54:27
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Otsikko: Stimulus nonsense
140 billion to climate data models.  hmmm, yeah, that will stimulate the economy.  Chalk it up to Al Gorski and his Pork.

And I am really disappointed that they turned Larry Flint down.  All those "actors" out of work.  Laid off.  Sad. 

1. Helmikuu 2009, 21:18:21
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I think this represents more the norm of Islam and the opposite view is the exception.  Yet one never (or rarely) hears about the realities of Islamic terror as a basic tenet of their "faith."  Which is why it's rather laughable when Iranian Secretary of Iran's Human Rights Headquarters Mohammad-Javad Larijani claims that the US is the root cause of terrorism world wide. 

When a 14 year old Muslim girl is abducted and raped, and upon being rescued and returned home she is killed by her family because SHE has shamed the family.  This happened in a Western country.  I can't help but wonder why that family would choose to live in a country that doesn't embrace their cultural beliefs.  What was wrong with their Muslum country that they chose to live in the West?

Or the father who murdered his two daughters because they were becoming "Westernized."  But he brought them to the US as young girls.  He sent them to public schools.  But when the culture began to show its influence on them, he murdered them.  All in the name of his religion.

Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad who resides in the UK is being investigated for his support of a "global Jihad." 

We in the West are oftn told that Islam has been "hijacked" by extreme radicals and that Islam in its purest form is a religion of peace.  Hmmmmm.  But those extreme radicals seem to be following the words of the Quaran.  Perhaps they (the radicals) put more emphasis on those passages that incite violence against non-muslums, but even so, where else in the world do we see such large numbers of radical haters of all other beliefs?   We don't worry about Anglican terrorists or Quaker terrorists.  There's always an isolated nut here and there but in Islam, the nuts seem to be the rule. 

Obama will have to face the realities of the enemy if he truly wants to help protect the west.  Bush failed to see the realities of the evil of Islam as a religious philosophy.  The claims that Islam is a religion of peace simply doesn't comport to the realities we see everyday. 


1. Helmikuu 2009, 20:17:20
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Otsikko: feelings" over substance and policy
Czuch:That is an accurate description of the democratic party. 

Nancy Pelosi will get knocked off her pedestal and when that happens, I will throw a party!

1. Helmikuu 2009, 20:12:29
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Otsikko: I am still waiting for some anti trickle down, big bad oil company liberal to explain to me how giving the Banks and other big companies butt loads of my cash in a bail out isnt exactly what they complained about for years under Bush?
Czuch:Don't hold your breath.  It is a bit two-faced about them isn't it.  But even if a lefty sees the contradiction, they are too committed to their ideology and too arrogant to admit to it. 

1. Helmikuu 2009, 19:49:39
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Otsikko: Re:we have a blog with one crazy Aussie lady as our only subscriber!
Czuch:Let's not forget bwild is here, Pedro, and Vikings.  ;)  There will be more. 

1. Helmikuu 2009, 19:46:57
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Otsikko: Re:You want to see a country truly in bad shape, truly in need of reform and change, just give us a few more years to see what social liberals will do to us!!!
Czuch:It will be their own undoing.  The republican party will go back to its roots and get it together and in two years, the elections will put more republicans on the hill.  Then in 4 years, unless Obama has turned things around, he's out.  8 years of Obama may just be too much for the stability of the USA.  The first 100 days will tell us alot but so far many things he's done tell me that it's still business as usual in Washington.  Where else can you cheat and lie on your taxes and then be put in charge of them?  Maybe Obama can't find a qualified democrat who is also ethical.  That's why he has to appoint a few sleeze balls to his cabinet.



1. Helmikuu 2009, 19:41:18
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Otsikko: Re:When the economy worsens, and when Obama's popularity falls, they will see we were right.
Bwild:Not in a million years.  They'll blame Bush or the Republicans.    I suspect some of the nuts on the left will find ways to continue to blame Bush even into the next decade! 

1. Helmikuu 2009, 17:20:49
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Otsikko: Re:
Czuch:  I totally agree.   People need to stop looking for the government to be their "day care" provider and look out for themselves.  My point was that you won't hear the left complain about Obama's failure in the current crisis because they only play the blame game towards the other party. 

We had a state of emergency here in December.  We were snowed in for about two weeks.  Unless you had 4 wheel drive, you were stranded.  Fine for someone like me as I was prepared (and had 4 wheel drive) but there are some neighbors (older than me types) that needed to be cared for.

I think you and I would agree that the federal government shouldn't be helping the little old lady next door.  The neighbors should!  And the local government should.  We should first help ourselves, be prepared, and then seek to help others.  That's the American way.

Had New Orleans made the right decisions, had they been prepared, had they looked out for each other and worked together, had their LOCAL government officals got off their butts and done their jobs, people would have been far better off.  But they sat on their hands too long, either made no decisions or stupid ones, and then when things went south, they blamed Bush.    Now that a similar crisis (41 people have died so far) is facing the mid-west, it's Obama's turn to take some blame.  But where are the voices?  Proof that the left is dishonest and cares about ideology more than country.

1. Helmikuu 2009, 17:09:59
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Otsikko: Re:
Foxy Lady:  woooo hoooo now we have two girls up here.  Welcome to Dan and Czuch's blog.  Or Czuch and Dan's depending on who you ask. 

1. Helmikuu 2009, 06:57:08
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Otsikko: Re:
Bernice:  Yeah but we love ya for it! 

1. Helmikuu 2009, 06:56:40
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Otsikko: Re:
Czuch:  Lol, and she's on too.  Guess I shoulda gone easy on the girls.    Those with BDS probably need to be handled with kid gloves. 

When the economy worsens, and when Obama's popularity falls, they will see we were right.

BTW, you remember how Bush was criticized for his lack of response in light of Katrina?  Well, where has Obama been with respect to the ice storms the east has had?  People have died and FEMA has done nothing!   But we won't hear the left cry out over that. 



1. Helmikuu 2009, 04:42:11
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Otsikko: Re:
Bernice:  Yep, the left wants it to become a socialist country and they want to destroy the constitution.  They are well on their way.

1. Helmikuu 2009, 02:28:30
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31. Tammikuu 2009, 21:41:58
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Otsikko: Re:
Czuch: Today I heard a commentator say that our constitution hangs by a thread and a congressman agreed.  People like Pelosi and Reed are anti-americans. 

31. Tammikuu 2009, 20:44:09
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Otsikko: Re:
Vikings:
   Harry Reed is such an idiot!  Another example of a dumber than a rock democrat running our country.  My head is spinning! And to think all those taxes I paid (at threat of fines and even jail should I fail to pay them) was voluntary!  It's like being required to volunteer to join the armed forces!  Coerced freedom!  Now I get why "government intelligence" is an oxymoron. 

31. Tammikuu 2009, 20:05:08
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Otsikko: Re: Has the extreme heat gotten to this Aussie???
Muokannut Papa Zoom (31. Tammikuu 2009, 20:11:49)
Czuch:  I can't believe that in one week Obama has clearly made decisions that are business as usual in Washington.  So much for change we can believe in.   His ideas will fail.  And that will be then end of him.  The republicans will retake the house and the Oval Office too. 

The bailout hasn't worked.  Small business isn't getting helped like they should.  Big business isn't either.  The money will basically go to the fat cats and the stock holders.  NO INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS! 

There little to no accountability.  Greed and poor judgment are at the root of the current problems we face.   And Washington continues to feed the madness.  And we the people are having our money stolen from us by our government!  I thought the democratic party was the party of the little guy.  But they are the worst when it comes to exploiting the little guy!



31. Tammikuu 2009, 07:31:35
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Otsikko: Re: Has the extreme heat gotten to this Aussie???
Bernice:  The USA has problems because we have an incompetent government.  They can't run even a small operation without cost overruns and very bad decisions.  The current "stimulus" package is a case in point.  Obama had better strip it of all the pork or it's another example of useless government spending.  It won't create jobs but it will make some people rich.  I won't see a dime but I'll pay for it.  So far, the only voice of sanity has been the republicans (who share the blame for the mess we are in.)  I can't stand the democrats though.  They are a bunch of liars and thiefs.  Nancy Pelosi is as dumb as a rock.  I can't believe she actually suggested that millions of "stimulus" money go for contraceptives and sex ed.  Really.  That would make our economy grow.  She's just confused.  She knows enough to connect sex with "stimulus" and "growth."  But as for the economy, she's out to lunch.  Cooler heads prevailed and stripped that bozo idea out of the package.  But there are millions more earmarked for other stupid democratic projects.  Bunch of losers. 

31. Tammikuu 2009, 06:49:12
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Otsikko: Re:
Czuch:Yeah all the liberals ran off and it's just a few of us.    That's ok.  We can start our own blog! 

29. Tammikuu 2009, 17:48:09
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Otsikko: Re:
Vikings:   Our liberal immigration laws will be the death of the US someday. 

29. Tammikuu 2009, 07:23:01
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A newly released Homeland Security report stats that Hezbollah members have immigrated into our country, set up terrorist cells and even charities to help fund their organization. Any person who is not being politically correct will see this report as saying that Muslim immigration is slowly destroying our country. It is time to end it before it is too late.



29. Tammikuu 2009, 03:10:57
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Otsikko: Re:Also, they spent years telling us how trickle down economics doesnt work, and years complaining about the big bad oil subsidies, and now look at them go!!!!
Czuch: Oh, that group of Bush haters.    Interestingly, I posted a comment from the "president" about Iraq and the necessity of putting Saddam out of business.  No one questioned the truth of what the president had said.  He hadn't lied (that Saddam was a threat, attacked his neighbors, broke UN agreements over and over, and was a threat to regional peace and to the US's interests)...and yet somehow he "fooled" the democrats in congress.  Fooled them how? 

The good news is that if in two years Obama doesn't turn things around, he's done. 





29. Tammikuu 2009, 02:46:30
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Otsikko: Re:Also, they spent years telling us how trickle down economics doesnt work, and years complaining about the big bad oil subsidies, and now look at them go!!!!
Czuch:  Isn't that the truth.  I guess trickle down works when we have a democratic pres 

Obama is spending a ton of money and betting his presidency on the success of his plan.  He's promising 400 million new jobs.  It's not going to happen.  And when it fails, the conservatives will take back congress and in 4 years the white house. 

I hope by then the republicans have learned to stick to their roots and stop acting like liberals.  Otherwise we're in for a world of hurt as a country.

Dick Morris suggests that nothing happens this year and that in fact, things will get worse.  09 will be a disaster (some say the economy will improve by the summer) but Morris says no.

In 2010 the depression ends and then hyper inflation takes over.  Then an induced recession occurs to decrease the inflation rate.  Not good and if this scenario occurs, Obama is finished.  So are the dems. 

As for the Bush haters, they are still there.  Karl Rove has been subpoenaed by congress.  He said he won't show.  The subpoena is thanks to Rep. John Conyers, chair of the the House Judiciary Committee.  He's a Bush hater and Hates Rove even more. Conyers, like many on the left, suffers from BDS and it's likely to continue at least for the immediate furture. 

For those that don't know, BDS is short for "Bush Derangement Syndrome."  It's a political term coined by the American conservative political columnist, and psychiatrist, Charles Krauthammer.  Krauthammer defined Bush Derangement Syndrome as "the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency — nay — the very existence of George W. Bush".

  It explains a lot too! 

29. Tammikuu 2009, 02:27:02
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Otsikko: Re:
Bernice:That was just for starters. The main course is on the way!  lol

28. Tammikuu 2009, 23:15:54
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Otsikko: Re:

Czuch:   They think that they are doing a good thing by all the "big brother" is taking care of you nonsense.  Spend, create huge committes that will dole out the money (and waste most of it) and then they can say what a good job they are doing for the people. 


Bush lost sight of the deeper conservative principles when he endorced the bail out packages.  The economy doens't need help.  It needs the incompetent legislators to keep out of it.  Where were those idiots (including Bush) when the banks and investment firms were stealing the people blind?   And now the stupid banks are forclosing on people.  Duh.  Ummmmm how about giving people who can't afford high interest loans lower interest loans so they can actually pay the banks back?  Banks still make money and people keep their homes.


Now the damage is done.  They want to fix the mess we're in (the US is broke) and so what do they do?  They give money to the crooks with little or no accountability (and the crooks are asking for more) but they are still kicking people out of their homes, paying their stock holders, and one financial institution tried to purchase a new private jet for 15 million.  Yeah, they got severl billion in bailout money.  They cancelled the purchase.


Hopefully the democrats won't be able to ruin the country entirely until we can get some competent republicans into office.   The dems are currently taking us further down the road to sure disaster.


And while I'm at it, let's have the new president appoint someone in charge of the economy fix that can't even figure out turbo tax!  


28. Tammikuu 2009, 17:58:33
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Otsikko: Re:
Czuch:   Scary isn't it?  And all this while Pelosi and her fellow democrats accepted a raise. 

28. Tammikuu 2009, 02:49:47
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Muokannut Papa Zoom (28. Tammikuu 2009, 02:50:24)
Nancy Pelosi wants to decrease the surplus population and claims that a stimulus package will help do just that.

huh?

STEPHANOPOULOS: Hundreds of millions of dollars to expand family planning services. How is that stimulus? PELOSI: Well, the family planning services reduce cost. They reduce cost. The states are in terrible fiscal budget crises now and part of what we do for children's health, education and some of those elements are to help the states meet their financial needs. One of those - one of the initiatives you mentioned, the contraception, will reduce costs to the states and to the federal government. STEPHANOPOULOS: So no apologies for that? PELOSI: No apologies. No. we have to deal with the consequences of the downturn in our economy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFU_jE9WasM

28. Tammikuu 2009, 02:44:46
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Otsikko: From CNN's Jack Cafferty:

How would you rate Pres. Obama's first week?

If you’re going to ban lobbyists from working for you, you have to
ban the one that used to lobby for Raytheon from working in your
Defense Department as well.


If you’re going to close Guantanamo, you have to have a plan for
what to do with the inmates there. A couple of them have turned up in
recent al Qaeda videos.


You can’t overturn President Bush’s executive order banning abortion
funding for charitable groups overseas without incurring the wrath of
right-to-lifers in this country.


And picking a fight with the corpulent Oxycontin aficionado of right
wing talk radio, Rush Limbaugh, will mobilize a bunch more on the
conservative right and begin to down your approval ratings.


But the new President seems to be weathering the storm quite well.
The latest Gallup Poll, taken over the weekend, gives him a 69% job
approval rating.


27. Tammikuu 2009, 16:03:03
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Otsikko: and this just in:
Why do they call it the department of interior when they are in charge of everything outdoors?

27. Tammikuu 2009, 16:00:30
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I predict that Obama will only make things worse for the economy of the US (and that will affect the world) and that if it continues through his first 100 days, he'll be defeated in 4 years. There is such corruption in Washington (Barney Frank is a thief) and Obama has some very questionable appointees in his administration. One has to wonder if he'd appoint the fox to guard the hen house simply because "he's the best candidate for the job."

27. Tammikuu 2009, 15:57:27
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Otsikko: Re:
Czuch: I agree with that. And this: "If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain"
-- Winston Churchill

27. Tammikuu 2009, 02:45:25
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Otsikko: Re: hey dan
BadBoy7:

27. Tammikuu 2009, 02:24:01
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If pro is the opposite of con, is progress the opposite of congress? 

26. Tammikuu 2009, 06:21:23
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Otsikko: Re:
Vikings:  I want to see that too.  lol   Washington is so full of corruption.  We need to fire them all and start all over.  Only a handful in Washington have any ethics at all it seems.

26. Tammikuu 2009, 06:04:35
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Otsikko: Re:
Vikings:  Half to Murtha, the other half to Pelosi. 

26. Tammikuu 2009, 06:03:14
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Otsikko: Re:
Bernice:  As I understand it, their own countries don't want them back.

26. Tammikuu 2009, 06:00:56
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Otsikko: I wonder how long, once Gitmo is close, it will take for the international community to demand the base be returned to Cuba.
Here is the wording of the agreement signed by Batista in 1934. The agreement states:
"Until the two Contracting Parties agree to the modification or abrogation of
the stipulations of the agreement in regard to the lease to the United States
of America of lands in Cuba for coaling and naval stations… the
stipulations of that Agreement with regard to the naval station of
Guantánamo shall continue in effect."

26. Tammikuu 2009, 05:43:52
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Otsikko: FYI tidbit

26. Tammikuu 2009, 05:42:23
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26. Tammikuu 2009, 05:29:28
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Otsikko: Re:
Pedro Martínez:  Glen Beck (a talking head) suggests after Gitmo is closed that we send all the detainees to Alcatraz.  Or maybe to Rep Murtha's district.  He said he'd welcome them in his district.    Currently there is no plan on what to do with detainees once Gitmo is closed.    Right now they are suggesting that the real torture of Gitmo inmates will start once they enter the US judical system.  (meaning that the system itself can be a form of torture)      I predict that placement and plans regarding the imates and closing of Gitmo will become a political football. 

26. Tammikuu 2009, 03:07:01
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Otsikko: Re:
Vikings:I wonder how they'd address the "war is over" part of POW status.  Seems to me that as long as there are terrorists organizations, the war is on. So you're probably correct that the war on terror will never officially end. 

26. Tammikuu 2009, 03:02:06
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Otsikko: Re: Even Though BBW won't respond, the idea that Bush lied is a radical left propaganda ploy
Pedro Martínez:Wouldn't it just solve the problem if they put their status as POWs?

26. Tammikuu 2009, 02:55:48
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Otsikko: Re: Even Though BBW won't respond, the idea that Bush lied is a radical left propaganda ploy
Pedro Martínez:  Well, that all makes sense and I have to admit I'm not fully knowledgeable on the laws.  These guys are military combatants.  Their status will likely change with Obama in charge.

This is clearly new territory in as far as it's a new kind of enemy.  It's a new kind of battlefield and a new kind of war.  I know that if it came down to my family's safety and the "rights" of some guy captured on a battlefield, I'll sleep better knowing he's locked up and my family is safe. 

26. Tammikuu 2009, 02:45:13
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Otsikko: Re: Even Though BBW won't respond, the idea that Bush lied is a radical left propaganda ploy
Vikings: Not since the sixties 

26. Tammikuu 2009, 02:40:13
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Otsikko: Re: Even Though BBW won't respond, the idea that Bush lied is a radical left propaganda ploy
Czuch:It will be interesting to see how Obama plays that part out.  I can't imagine the Republicans going for civil trials with all the evidence requirements.  These guys didn't get captured when they were out on an afternoon picnic.

26. Tammikuu 2009, 02:29:02
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Otsikko: Re: Even Though BBW won't respond, the idea that Bush lied is a radical left propaganda ploy
Pedro Martínez:  It's not the question that is difficult.  What I'm getting at is the type of evidence that would be available to take to court.  Unless I witnessed a terrorist act and saw who did it etc, all evidence will be circumstantial.  What I'm asking you to do is to name the kind of evidence you would expect the US to find.  I know they have evidence gathered on the more well known terrorists, but some of those guys are relatively unknown. But they were captured on the battlefield.  Seems to me, that fact alone is evidence.  But it seems you'd expect much more.  Like what? 

26. Tammikuu 2009, 02:12:47
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Otsikko: Re: Even Though BBW won't respond, the idea that Bush lied is a radical left propaganda ploy
Pedro Martínez: If I catch you on the battlefield in afganistan and detain you, what evidence could I possibly have against you and what could you be guilty of?  And in some cases, evidence can't be released because of national security.  What then?

26. Tammikuu 2009, 01:37:28
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Otsikko: Re: Even Though BBW won't respond, the idea that Bush lied is a radical left propaganda ploy
Pedro Martínez:As I understand it, Obama is closing Gitmo in one year, and in the meantime will be working on new policies to establish a new system for prosecuting suspected terrorists.  I don't know what that means fully as it's being worked out and likely will take a bit of time. 

From Townhall.com:

"Administration officials said that, pending an internal review, federal and military courts may be used. But, the officials added, a version of the secretive military tribunals, as established under President George W. Bush with the help of McCain, remains an option, too."

With national security issues, some "detainees" are likely to fall under a more closed hearing (military tribunal) rather than the open to the public civil courts.

Either way, Obama seems committed to making changes that to a greater extent address the human rights issues you're discussing.

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