But if there is an 1 empty space, the last jump may be made into that space, colapsing the row - leaving the board full with no spaces (since the jumping frog took the last open space)

Oh, I see what you are saying - there will be an empty row on the outside where the board just shifted from. In my mind, I did not think of those as empty rows - just that the board actually got smaller. (but would probable be easier to program and such if it was considered an empty row.

Then a rule would have to be put into place that all shifts go right or down. :-)

Like I said - if you EMPTY a ROW, there IS by definition an EMPTY ROW in which to jump into...

Actually it would be possible if you were to empty 2 rows, and have the last jump land in the only other empty spot in the third row. It would not happen often, but possible.

That wouldn't be possible for a collapse to result in no open spaces - there will always be space beside or above the rows or columns that just shifted.

Froglet Linetris: When a complete row or column is empty, it is "colapsed".

Minor rules: If the colapse results in no open spaces, then the next person has to click on a green frog just like at the start of the game.

Yes, it can be done in the future.

There is a lot of options on the left sidebar that many people simply do not use. It would be nice if we had the option to hide any menu bars that we dont use.
"Polls" spring to mind as the first one I would hide, but others such as "winners" "brains" etc are rarely used and we dont really need them taking up space all the time.

Is this possible Fencer?

ok, everything makes sense re the mice and elephants. But what do you mean by long and short jumps/ Do you mean jumping over two bodies of water or is the distinction horizontal and vertical? Both lions and tigers can jump over only one river at a time, but can jump either horizontally or vertically. But the rules I posted below only mention jumping ability for lions and tigers, and furthermore the applet itself won't permit it, so I think they're landbound.

And yes, this looks ridiculous so someone who hasn't been following the thread. But I'm itching to play now! Fencer, will your version have numbers beside the animals or an index either by the side of the board or in the rules?

A panther can make no jumps in my version.

redsales, in the version I posted a rat can eat a rat in the river but a rat can't eat an elephant by jumping from the river.
The panther can only make short jumps but both the tiger and the lion can make long and short jumps.

Duw, do you realize how idiotic the above looks to the casual reader? LOL

It's not very good though :| Dabble is the best dots playing program I know of, but I can beat it too at times.

I'm trying to make a better one myself, as my honors project. Not nearly done yet, but anybody interested can check out www.sourceforge.net/projects/jadab

This is a nice Java version.

Wow. Awesome, thanks. You wouldn't believe this, but I looked all over the net for a place to play it on the standard board size.

you beat me, good quick fix BBW LOL

Dots and Boxes can also be played on the turn based site Little Golem

Tseng: Where can I find more info?

Dots and Boxes should definately be a part of this site. It's only currently playable on yahoo.com, and they do not offer the standard 6x6 playing field that most players find the fairest.

I know the game has simple rules, but it's actually quite deep, and played by some of biggest names in modern game theory, such as Elwyn Berlekamp, who has written a book about it.

Eh!

because there's the specific prohibition against the mouse killing the elephant on land, I would assume it's otherwise ok, so probably ok for a mouse to kill a mouse from the water. i tried in the program and the AI keeps avoiding giving me the opportunity, so I assume it is possible. A looped version...you mean with total free rein on where to place captured animals? Interesting...!

I've been thinking, 's cancal ya?

I would imagine in the river was the same as on land, I'm trusting you to interpret the "chinese" spirit of the game for incomplete rules, main problem for me is can the mouse in the lake kill a mouse on land?

ugh, I could, but their answer wouldn't be definitive either. I'm going to try and get a set locally, but lately Koreans have been distancing themselves from things Chinese, so it might be hard to find. At any rate, Cariad, yes, a mouse can jump in the river and eat another mouse. But the question is what about when they're both already in the river? That's up in the air..

How about occassional random re-ordering of the boards? Must admit I'm too lazy to scroll down.

Can we have a level control on our requests? For example, this is a "level 6 request (prefered priority just above 'who cares'"?

Can we have a sleeping board upon which to compare (k)nightmares?

It might be fun to have average rating by nationality for each game, for example; why are the Portugese so good at tablut?

At your site the rat can eat another rat when leaving the lake but cannot do so with an elephant.
Redsales: I'm sure you can buy a set locally and ask some Chinese for a ruling(?)

How about a lobotomy for LongJohn?

That looks pretty confusing, cariad!

looks fairly cute - some routes though seem
to cry out loud for a bypass surgery ... :D ... ~*~

In the version I've played the rat can jump in the river and eat the other rat.
Anyway, judge for yourself (you need Netscape 3.0 or better)
Jungle

OK， I got a copy of the rules in Chinese for "Jungle" (literally translated as animal fighting chess). I'll post it below for reference, mostly for myself and other Sinophones if any discrepancies arise.

Most of the rules jibe with what Cariad copied. Anyway, ugh is right, an elephant can't eat a mouse. A mouse may not eat an elephant from the river. All sorts of leaps (horizontal, vertical) are ok for tigers and lions and they can eat other animals which may happen to be on the landing square. Mouse eating mouse when both in the river wasn't covered in the rules below. The rules I found weren't comprehensive, in fact they were on the download page for the shareware. The problem is that there is no 兽斗棋 federation to make the rules official. Anyone interested in downloading the shareware can follow this link

http://www.onlinedown.com/soft/18859.htm

click on the hyperlink right of the green arrow for a shareware program where you play "the computer." I've tried to get the program to jump into the river with its mouse to see if it can eat my mouse, but to no avail.

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Yes.

....be informed by pm when someone leaves our fellowship please

I just did a quick search (Shou Dou Qi), one source claimed that the elephant can also kill the mouse ie they're of equal value in respect to each other, I'm sure this is wrong and that the mouse always wins, another question is whether or not a mouse can eat another mouse from the lake, I think not but I dont remember the situation being covered in the rules in my set, all online sources I looked at say the lions and tigers can make both long and short leaps.

The rules of the Jungle game I've played on the internet are:

Each player moves one piece in turn.

Only one animal may occupy a square at a time. An animal may eat any weaker animal from the opposing side by moving onto its square. The one exception is that the rat may topple the elephant (by running into one of its ears and gnawing on its brain). When animals of identical strength meet, the moving animal eats the stationary one.

Only rats may enter river squares. A rat is therefore immune to attack while in the river, except from another rat. A rat may not attack an elephant from the river, though it may attack another rat in this way.

A lion or tiger at the edge of a river square may leap the intervening river squares and land on the nearest jungle square beyond. Any animal occupying that square that it could legitimately attack is destroyed. However, if a rat (from either side) occupies one of the river squares in the line of the animal's jump, the jump is blocked.

The red trapped squares on each player's side may be freely entered and exited by that player's animals with no penalty. An opposing player's animals lose all power on entering an enemy's traps, and are automatically weaker than any other piece.

Each player has a den which must be defended from the opposing player. No animal may be moved into its own side's den. If any player's animal enters the opposing player's den, that player wins the game.

I sure hope that game doesn't take long... You two are making me anxious to play it :)

Yes, that's true.

One other rule is that lions and tigers cannot jump over a swimming mouse.

I'll ask Redsales if he can look into it, unfortunately I haven't got my set with me.

ughaibu: My book doesn't specify short or long jumps.

I think the lions and tigers can only make the short jump across the lake but they can directly eat another animal with the leap.

I'm beginning to think about requesting loop jungle.

ughaibu: Right.
BBW: Only if it's really big and bad :-)

The wolf is the strongest.... right?

(just kiding) :-)

Also animals of equal value can eat each other, mouse cannot attack from the lake, no animal can occupy it's own den and any animal in a trap can be eaten by any other animal. Maybe that's all, Redsales could check the Chinese rules if there's any doubt.

I am not sure but I will write them soon.
There is elephant, lion, tiger, leopard, dog, wolf, cat and mouse. Stronger animal eats weaker one, a mouse can kill an elephant, lion and tiger can jump over a water, etc.

Are your rules for jungle available?

Jungle, Espionage [Sabotage], Small Espionage [Mini Sabotage], Fast Espionage [Sabotage Rush], Berolina Chess, Amazon Chess, Cylinder Chess, Anti Froglet, Spider Linetris.