rod03801: Way ahead of you =)

MengTzu: Fencer may not read this board that often. I would suggest you send him a personal message.

Dear all (especially to Fencer),

May I suggest that the players be given an option to view the game in either the Chess-like annotations or a translated version of the conventional Xiangqi annotations?

The Chinese traditionally use an annotation system like this: each move has four components - 1) the name of the piece, 2) the starting file, 3) the direction of the move, and 4) the new file number, or if the piece remains in the same file, then the number of points by which the piece moved. If it's an ambiguous situation, then the first two components become 1) whether the piece is in the front, middle, or back relative to other pieces of the same type in the same file, and 2) piece of the name, and 3) and 4) are the same as above.

Since the traditional Chinese style of annotations is written completely in Chinese (or mostly in Chinese, in a version that uses Chinese numbers for Red's moves and Arabic numbers for Black's moves), I of course do not suggest that we actually use Chinese characters, since most here do not read Chinese. I suggest using symbols: a single alphabet for each piece's name, Arabic numbers for all numbers, and + for forward and front, = for sideways and middle, and - for backward and back. I believe the Asian Xiangqi Federation is already using a type of such translated version of the conventional Chinese annotations.

Using the conventional annotations has two benefits: 1) a player can become familiar with it and be able to read all the games that are recorded in the conventional annotations, and 2) the conventional style allows one easily trace the moves backwards.

Fencer, if you are interested in this, I'll do what I can help you understand how the conventional annotations work (assuming you do not know already, but if you are already familiar with it, then I apologize for making such an assumption.)

MengTzu: thanks, I appreciate your explanation.
I think its especially people like me (that come from western chess) that fall for the easy assumption that the horse is just a knight, but it isn't - it is just similar, but different.
That game is finished by now, and I've grown to enjoy Chinese Chess!

Aganju:

The game rules on this website explains it correctly, but perhaps it can put more emphasis on the sequence of movement, since that is critical in understanding how the piece can be blocked.

The knight (a.k.a. horse, the more precise meaning of the Chinese word representing the piece) must first move orthogonally (i.e. vertically or horizontally) and then diagonally, in such a way that the destination is always two files or two ranks away from the starting point. The sequence of movement is critical, as stated above: it must first move orthogonally. So think of the horse as making two stops in one move - first to an orthogonal point, then to a diagonal point further away. If the first stop - the orthogonal point - is occupied by a piece of either side, then the horse can go no further in that direction.

I'm sure other posters' explanations have already clarified the matter for you, but I thought I'd give a more detailed explanation for anyone who is still having trouble with this rule.

Hey everybody,

Just want to make this quick survey about whether Chess players really prefer "Westernized" style Xiangqi board and pieces. If you are Chess player who did not growing up playing Xiangqi, and if you do not read Chinese, please answer the following:

1) Do you prefer a Xiangqi set with a fully checkered, 9x10 board, with stand-up figurine pieces played in the squares rather than on grid points?

2) If you answer no to 1), do you recommend it as a "transition" Xiangqi set for someone new to Xiangqi (but is familiar with Chess) before he switches to the traditional Xiangqi set?

3) Do you prefer using the traditional board and pieces (flat disks, played on grid points), except that the pieces are represented by symbols/pictures rather than Chinese script?

4) If you answer no to 3), do you recommend such a set (traditional board and pieces, except pieces are represented by symbols/pictures and not Chinese script) to someone new to Xiangqi but is familiar with Chess and doesn't read Chinese?

georg21: I know this site and the webmaster too. Finally we can have in english chinese xiangqi classics! This site is our window on xiangqi world!

Hello to every chess enthusiast,
I like to recommend to everybody who is interested in Chinese Chess (Xiangqi) a really good new website called "Xiangqi in English" (http://www.xqinenglish.com/). There you can find for the first time material on Xiangqi in English, which was only available in Chinese so far. Because there is a great lack of English Xiangqi resources, I regard "Xiangqi in English" as the coming up No1 recource for western Xiangqi.
The scope of "Xiangqi in English" covers basics, openings, midgames, endgames and ancient manuals. Your strenght in Xiangqi will profit from general guidelines as well as from variants and comments given in analysis. The material increases day by day, due to the great efforts of Jim, who runs the website.
You can visit "Xiangqi in English" also on Facebook, where Jim publishes three Xiangqi-puzzles every day. You can try to solve them, no matter if you are a beginner or an advanced player.
But have a look yourself and check things out. If you like it, tell your friends.
Kind regards, Georg

Aganju: Imagine the Knight taking an “L” path during the course of its movement, and taking the longer part of the “L” path first. When the first space it would move over is occupied, its movement in that direction is blocked.

Pedro Martínez:
Does that mean:
A piece horizontally or vertically touching the knight prevents it moving that way, but a piece diagonally touching the knight does not matter?

If so, it did not become clear to me from the rules :-/

Thanks!

Aganju: There would have to be a piece at F9 to prevent the Knight from taking the Rook.

I think this is a bug:
Chinese Chess (Aganju vs. furbster)
I'm new to this game, but the rules explicitely say the knight cannot jump over other pieces, and show an example. But it just did!

Can someone who knows the game please look at that? And help me understand or confirm a bug?

My favourite Endspiel in Chinese Chess is white King+pawn vs your alone black king. You may move in your castle many times, but it's useless. You just waiting, when your Death will come...Slow chinese torture))) At least, you get "flying
cane in the bridge of your nose" , as said great poet in 1925, not old chinese. Russian one!)
Китайские шахматы (PaoloRus против Dimarr)

rod03801: Please, dont banned this guy. I know he can talk correctly, just he is very ardent )))

Justaminute: It is gone and it won't happen again.

computeropponen:
I fail to see how much a post could be of interest to anyone but yourself but in posting it you contravened two of the rules of the user agreement you have agreed to by joining the site:

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low skill player knows nothing abt chinese chess. how much you know abt commonly used killing technique? " a know "no" player get killed before dawn, before he die he smile" a chinese old saying..
how much you know abt winning endgames? how much u know abt drawing endgames?
these are just basic skill.....

Lol ...It's very strange , Nobody , that great sensei does not play Go))) It seems like drenched chinese butterfly or i don't know like what)))
I may get you few lessons after 6 month )) at the board 19x19)))))) stay here :)

Many of the stratagems and tactics really are the same in XQ and traditional chess: fork, discovered check, closed mate(or half-closed in XQ) ,sacrifice, zugzwang (very rare in XQ) etc
Difference : Opposition 2 kings (impossible in XQ), pat = mat, perpetual check is not a draw in XQ , it's lost...

computeropponen: When I was in China to study Go for three months, I noticed Chinese chess is played on every streetcorner. It's really popular! I played a few games of XiangQi but it's hard to get better when there are so few real life opponents in my country.

Fwiffo: no, i don't play Go. i also play chess, but i am just a beginner with little experience in chess. All i know about chinese chess i use it to play chess. i think the fundamental principle to play the game is the same. there are some difference between, for example; the board size is not the same, chess is played on a 8x8 board with 8 pawns lined up in front, the most important piese is the Queen and the pawn, chinese chess with 9x10 board w only 5 pawns, the rook is the most important one.
As to Go, this is the most difficult game to play with a 19x19 board. i will compare thses 3 type of game as A B and C. A is the highest in the category.

computeropponen: I see. Btw, as you're from China, do you also play Go?

Fwiffo: it is not a comparison of orange & apple, it is a comparison of real & fade.

Fwiffo: well, it is very confusing, they should not be on the list among the established rating players.
they should be on the list among ALL the provisional rating players
Xiaogou should be the no.1 and Praesident the no.5 on the Provisional list with ALL inactive players

Praesident should be the no.1 on the Prov ALL active players list

computeropponen: That's why it is "Provisional".

Les look at the Provisional inactive players only list, the highest rated player is Xiaogou, his BKR is 2468 with (11/0/4) record:
2006 2 loses to gringo 1694
2005 2 loses to chicago Bulls 2287 BKR=4
11 won games;
1 vs BlitzMe 1886 BKR=45
2 vs Siddhim 1236
3 vs thm14291641
2 vs Spiron 1296
1 vs jian 1183
1 vs talon 1364
1 vs Cogitans 1259

his BKR should be the highest at 5 and the lowest at 46

the other one is Praesident , BKR=4 with a perfect record (4/0/0)
2011 1 win vs dogstar 1334
2010 3 won games:
1 win vs Sattha 1734
1 win vs LDV 1829 BKR=13
1 win vs Keith Graham 1456
all the 4 games he just beat up the weak opponents, his BKR should not be 4, the only one highest BKR he beat is with BKR=13.

SO THEY ARE OVERRATED.

Now i understand why they always accept to play the weak player and avoid to play the stronger one.

PaoloRus: That REALLY made me laugh. I hope it was meant as a micky take or you are as cracked as he is.

When you win in March, I thought that I will not survive. I cried and I have not eaten for six days. Headache tortured by me and my heart beat irregularly. I cursed the day when you came here, Mister. Since
then I played a lot with strong opponents, with weak opponents too.
I sometimes play, even I cann't learn anything. because i think we should give a chance for the weak players, even we don't talk to
them. And now i believe in myself like never before.
Please don't go from this site. Wait, when the number of my games will be 15 - 18 (now i am little brain pawn) . And i will challenge
you to a Great Fight. And if this fight will be fair - you will be beaten and destroyed... You should'nt be so arrogant, Nobody...
Remember : "One person with a belief is equal to the force of 100 000 who have only interests."

you don't play the weak player, how the stronger than you player play you? you may ask this question

In the old day, it has a way to do it, you have to pay to play a game with the pro. and there are some kind of handicap game available depends on the level of you playing skill.
so you have to pay to learn, nothing is free. if they like you, they may pointed out what you went wrong after the game.

it remind me that some kind of players here, they always accept playing with weak players, and they always avoid to play the stronger one, what a shame

what happen after you improved yourself and you can beat your opponent, don't play him again, look for another stronger than you player for a game..

So the point is that Chinese Chess players don't talk to each other. I should never talk to weaker players, and stronger players will never talk to me…

the quality for the good players is, the strong desire to learn and improve himself.

when i was young, my teacher, a chinese chess champion, he told me that stay away from playing with weak player, you never learn anything from them, show respect to a good player better than you, play with them if you can, and talk to them to ask for advise.
never talk to a weak player, you would not learn a thing from them, and you don't know what they are talking abt.... .

I know, you are not very bad in TAKTIK, but real CHAMPION is the player, who have a best STRATEGY.
Strategic thinking can'nt be develope in blitz...
Have you a strategy in your games, my dear? Have you a strategy in your life?
My answer is NO,
I think You don't know what should you do: to play with me or another player in chinese chess or to talk abt your "losing interests", to be or not to be, to marriage or to die etc.
I thought you are great and terrible chinese grandmaster 111-years old, but you are real weak

To distinguish a GM from a low class/not so good player is, the ability to find the MOVE under Time Pressure.

computeropponen: They are NOT abusing anything. Period. Further posts by you on this subject, will be deleted.

rod03801: finally, you find the reason to ban me to post here. i have not said that this site is bad or wrong, I just said that some people are abusing the time control system.

I will leave your guys alone. i don't want to waste my time here. if you like just removed all my posts that will make you feel comfortable.

I think you should remove all the posts by 435152 too.

it's true pedestrian))) my father was a master by correspondance. if he lived 2003 , and wold play here, his bkr would be 2500...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Correspondence_Chess_Federation

computeropponen: No, you didn't "point out" the way the game "should" be played. You claimed that your way of playing the game is the only correct one, which is nothing but an arrogant display of disrespect towards other people.

computeropponen: If you continue going around and around about this, NO, you will not be continuing to post

My post is very constructive, only the inferior player sees it the different ways. This is the discussion borad for all. if you have your point just to show it, don't say this is the site for your kind of people only. I pointed out the ways the game should be played. I don't talk abt the gamesmanship only, your guys just playing with the time, not the game. it is unnescessary waste of time why not you just admit it.
your guys just abuse the time control system.
As I said before, this is a site belong to special category. Olympic also has special game.

computeropponen:
Your endless posts are not constructive. Sometimes people complain their opponents don’t move fast enough, sometimes they complain others in a tournament don’t move fast enough but I have never seen anyone complain that a game they are not involved in at all is not going fast enough. The answer if you are involved is always the same, choose a time control you are happy with, don’t accept time limits that you don’t like. If you are not involved as has been said many times already it is nothing to do with you. To expect players to play at a speed that suits you as a spectator is arrogance, it is their game they can do what they want.

It has been pointed out repeatedly that sites do exist that specialise in Chinese chess and provide real time play. Brainking is not that and endless moaning about it won’t change it. Brainking provides a product that the members want, if you want something else, it exists, go elsewhere.

If you feel a need to post on this site regularly despite not playing any games have a look at Son of Monse’s posts on the Tablut board as an example of constructive on topic posts about a game a member is interested and informed about.

You pick up this bad habits, you stand no chance to play on life game, of course this is your personal habits, and this is my personal opinion.
playing on line is a less serious form of playing the game. turnbased is the most less serious, it belong to a special category.

rod03801: habits?

there is an excellent resource XQ clubxiangqi.com - it's one of my favorite sites. If you were Chinese or Vietnamese, you would definitely know about this site. There, you're always online, no logins or logouts. What do you want from this site? Brainking is great because here there are many games that you are not found anywhere else on the Internet. Just play and have fun mr Nobody)))

computeropponen: You need to worry about your own habits, and not the habits of others. Frankly, the habits of others is none of your business.
It's been said over and over again. People choose the time constraints that they themselves want. There is no reason for them to take anyone else into consideration. The game is for them personally.

computeropponen: It seems you write more than you play - is there a reason for this? Don't you like to play?

I have played total 11 games here, 2 of the games are against Kamagai, one game started 14 March 2011 and ended 20 March 2011, in 6 days I made 51 moves.
Another game started 21 March 2011 and ended 30 March 2011, in 9 days 57 moves were made.

Think about that if I spent 7 days per move, that these two games will last more than one year to finish.

how I play the game? at the begining I spend less time, I only spend more time when the position became complicated, but this is not always the case. After I resolve the problem as I can, I will move fast again, usually one minute to 5 min per move. why I can move with less time? because everytime I ponder my moves, I jugde the position by my experience, I try to find the successive moves in series, it is not just one move ahead, it could be 3 to 5 moves ahead. so I don't need more time for the consecutive moves. my path of move is : move, move , move then stop to ponder again.
all deponds on the different situations ......

so. why need more time to make a move when you are logging in and out, and you waste your time for browing main page, viewing online players, and viewing games etc.. the time you spent doing such thing is enough for you to make a move...unless you are an inferior player, you don't see a move.

rod03801: This time, you are not accusing me to insult all the people doing such act: login and logout without making a move. thank you.

computeropponen:
I do the same with logging in and logging out. The reason is like followed:
Most time of the week I'm in work. My business is the IT and I am doing support too. From time to time I have a quick look to brainking, if I have some messages, or special games are going on. Nearly every day there is a lot of stress at work, but for important games like tournament games, games with high level player, I want a quiet time for doing my move, because I made too many mistakes in such games, while moving in work bacause I thought the moves are obvious, but they were big mistakes because the opponent made a trap. And after work I have still time consuming hobbies and playing corr. games at other sites, so it can take a few days, before I have some real quiet time for my important games and I have to set priorities between the games at different pages depending on the time left for each move.
For this reason I play correspondence games more often than live games, because I can stop thinking about a game and continueing the following day, which is not possible at over the board games.
I think that most people logging in and logging out have nearly the same reasons for doing this.

rod03801: I can not just play to myself, I have to play with an opponent. The point is all my opponents doing the same thing...login and logout making no move, just browing main page, viewing online players, viewing games etc....this is not the way the game should be played...
do you think something is wrong with the time control system? you cannot do anything about it...
i know what you will say" if you don't like it go to other place"

computeropponen: Then DON'T watch it. They CHOSE the time limit that THEY wanted for THEIR game. It should not matter to YOU at all what time limit they chose. You play the way you want, and let others play the way they want.

As I said before, why need 7 days per move??....this is waste of time...I have watched a game in progress between two top players, both players just login many times during the game but did not make a move. I tell you what they are doing, they are just browing main page, viewing online players, viewing game etc...then I looked at the time per move, it shows 7 days 8 hours left, later 5 days 15 hours left etc....at last they just logout without making any move at all...even it is a must move
they did such thing every time until the time is up to move, then they make their f?@$%&* move it is just a f#$%^& game not worth to watch.....