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24. Août 2005, 14:04:39
AbigailII 
Sujet: Re: "Inactive players" removed
tycho: Your BKR for Janus Chess is not unknown - it's 1238. You are, however, no longer listed in the charts. I didn't get the impression that inactivity (or activity) is taken in account when calculating the ratings. Only the fact whether or you you're in the list matters. So, for paying members, one quick draws against someone with a similar rating twice a year is enough to keep you in the charts.

This is unlike say, the rating system on FICS, where they, beside keeping the rating, also keep a stat that measures activity - it's an indication how good established your rating is. The more you play, the less your rating will fluctuate (but the more it can fluctuate the rating of your opponent). If you play less, your rating fluctuates more after a win or loss. So, on FICS, having played 400 games way back means a new win or loss can change your rating a loss (just like you have only played a few games here), much more so than if you have only played 20, but all of the recently. And the same statistic is used to determine whether your rating is established or not. So if you have played 400 games the past month, you can be inactive for a lot longer before your drop of the charts than when you have played 20 games in the past month.

While I prefer to have a system like FICS, I think this new system (dropping of the charts if you haven't finished a game in the past 6 months) is better than the old one.

24. Août 2005, 14:00:25
Fencer 
Sujet: Re: "Inactive players" removed
tycho: Have a look at your Profile, Finished Games tab. The only difference is in the Position column, where some values are replaced by "-". Nothing else changes.

24. Août 2005, 13:58:31
Fencer 
Sujet: Re: "Inactive players" removed
tycho: Who's talking about erasing some scores? Nothing is being erased, BKRs stay as they are, only some of them don't appear on the chart pages.

24. Août 2005, 13:45:51
furbster 
Are the red things on our profiles the games we have to play in to get back on the ratings chart?

24. Août 2005, 13:44:19
FilsdeTycho 
Sujet: "Inactive players" removed
modifié par FilsdeTycho (24. Août 2005, 13:54:00)
Dear Fencer,

They are some reactions on the French speaking forum concerning the removal of "inactive players". It appears quite brutal (it should have been annouced in order to allow us to reactivate some games). The period of 6 months appears short (they are so many games and we appreciate very much brainking for that).

Would it be possible NOT to clear the BKR of so-called inactive players (I was disappointed to notice that my BKR for Janus chess is now unknow). I understand that the display of ranking could not take into account inactive players (it is not a bad idea, I agree) but erasing previous scores is a bit brutal, I think!

Finally, rankings are not so important and will not affect my pleasure on brainking.com!

24. Août 2005, 13:42:59
furbster 
The majoirty of my ratings either stayed teh same or went down :'(

24. Août 2005, 11:40:20
Fencer 
Sujet: Re:
Chessmaster1000: 1) I don't want to start a fight here. 2) Because some games had been restored in the past and the BKR was calculated twice for them, so the results were not accurate. Now they are.

24. Août 2005, 11:38:32
Chessmaster1000 
modifié par Chessmaster1000 (24. Août 2005, 11:38:52)
For example my Dark Chess rating WAS ~ 1550.
Now it IS ~1950.
I can't understand why????????????

24. Août 2005, 11:37:31
Chessmaster1000 
1)OK don't challenge your superiority of decisions, i'm just curious to see the reason behind your decision.......Can you give it to me please.......?

2)But a recalculation of the BKRs should have the same results for any number of times this recalculation will be done. I mean if now you re-recalculate the BKRs then we should have the SAME EXACT results for every player, excluding the players had a 2700. So for me for example, that didn't hit any 2700 BKR, my BKR should stay the same. But this happens if and only if the recalculation has been made only with the change for the 2700 limit. But since my BKRs changed, then something other must changed on the process of the calculation of the BKRs. Did you changed anything else......?

24. Août 2005, 11:33:15
Expired 
Sujet: Re:
Fencer: That's good. Thanks.

24. Août 2005, 11:29:11
Fencer 
Sujet: Re:
reza: Well, I can add a switch to include inactive players on the chart pages.

24. Août 2005, 11:28:38
Fencer 
Sujet: Re:
Chessmaster1000: 1) Because I wanted to. 2) Because I recalculated all BKRs from the beginning, just to reflect this change.

24. Août 2005, 11:25:45
Expired 
Sujet: Re:
Chessmaster1000: And where did the inactive players go to?

Isn't there a way to see them too?

24. Août 2005, 11:22:43
Chessmaster1000 
modifié par Chessmaster1000 (24. Août 2005, 11:24:02)
2 Questions:

1)Since Ed Trice is the inventor of Gothic Chess and since you include the other inventors of the games, why you removed his name........?

2)My rating on some games increased and on some decreased and as PlayBunny said this happened to him too. And you said that this is because the 2700 limit has been removed. But i can't see how this affects in any way the ratings! Except the cases when a player had a 2700 and stayed there after winning some games-but that doesn't happened in any of my games or PlayBunny's. So....

24. Août 2005, 10:57:45
Fencer 
Sujet: Re: Actively playing
AbigailII: The former is correct. Only the time of the last finished rated game counts, nothing else.

24. Août 2005, 10:56:34
AbigailII 
Sujet: Actively playing
Your rating drops off the charts if you're not active in a game for 6 months (paying) or 1 month (non-paying). It isn't clear to mean what active means. Does it mean you should have finished a game in the past 6/1 month(s)? Or could I just start 10 win match with a 30 day move period, move once a month, and stay on the charts forever, without my rating changing? I hope it's the former.

24. Août 2005, 10:36:11
Fencer 
Sujet: Re: BKR changes.
playBunny: It's the result of removing the max 2700 value. The BKRs were recalculated from the very beginning with this small change.

24. Août 2005, 10:34:18
playBunny 
Sujet: Re: BKR changes.
modifié par playBunny (24. Août 2005, 10:34:38)
Fencer: I've found that my backgammon rating has gone up by 34 and more. Is that an expected result of the "clearout"? And, out of curiousity, is there any way for me to find where these extra points came from?

24. Août 2005, 09:40:08
Fencer 
Sujet: Re:
Grim Reaper: Because I removed it.

24. Août 2005, 09:17:08
Grim Reaper 
At this link...

http://brainking.com/en/SelectGameType

I see:

Extinction Chess
Very original chess variation invented by R. Wayne Schmittberger.

Knight Relay Chess
Very interesting chess variant, invented by Mannis Charosh in 1972.

Grand Chess
Grand Chess (by Christian Freeling) is a chess variant played on 10x10 board.

...yet my name was removed from Gothic Chess.

Why is it no longer there?

24. Août 2005, 08:57:47
Fencer 
Sujet: Re:
Grim Reaper: Sure because the chart task runs once an hour, at 35 mins.

24. Août 2005, 08:56:41
Grim Reaper 
Sujet: Re:
Fencer: I swear I saw some oldies on that list when I first posted that message, but they are gone now!

24. Août 2005, 08:36:31
Fencer 
They did.

24. Août 2005, 08:27:16
Grim Reaper 
Weren't inactive players suppose to drop off of the rating lists?

23. Août 2005, 18:15:24
Artful Dodger 
Sujet: Re: Woo Hooo....Fencer
Fencer: OK. ;)

23. Août 2005, 15:01:46
Andersp 
Sujet: Re: Translator
Marfitalu: I think it means that the translation can be done later too

23. Août 2005, 11:22:39
Fencer 
Sujet: Re: Translator
Marfitalu: Yes, it can be done. Later.

23. Août 2005, 08:39:59
Fencer 
Sujet: Re: Woo Hooo....Fencer
ArtfulDodger: Glad to hear it. Don't forget to send a photo of you wearing them.

23. Août 2005, 06:30:00
Artful Dodger 
Sujet: Woo Hooo....Fencer
My tshirt and cap arrived. VERY NICE!!!!!!

Your wife does excellent work.

;)

23. Août 2005, 05:24:09
skipinnz 
Sujet: Re: Upgrades
playBunny: Big one is to win the tourney first. LOL

23. Août 2005, 02:42:31
playBunny 
Sujet: Re: Upgrades
BIG BAD WOLF, Fiona: Thanks. Sounds like plenty of options there.

23. Août 2005, 02:29:46
coan.net 
Sujet: Re: Upgrades
playBunny: I think Fencer can do it a few ways. One will be that your rook membership will start right away, then when that is over, you can have your additional 4 months of Knight.

But if you talk to him, he may go ahead and "covert" your 4 months of knight membership for 2 extra months of rook membership. I'm not 100% sure of this - best to do is just message him and ask.... he will work with you.

23. Août 2005, 02:23:44
Fiona 
Sujet: Re: Upgrades
playBunny: i would think the rook membership starts when the knight expires

23. Août 2005, 02:19:05
playBunny 
Sujet: Upgrades
If a Knight, expiring in four months time, buys or wins a Rook 6-month subscription today, how does it work?

22. Août 2005, 22:53:44
Fencer 
Sujet: Re:
Chessmaster1000: Just a minor change, no 2700 maximum.

22. Août 2005, 22:53:16
Chessmaster1000 
And what about this recalculation? Does the system of calculation of the BKR will be changed dramatically or just minor changes......?

22. Août 2005, 22:39:21
Fencer 
Sujet: Re:
Nuno Miguel: Nothing will disappear. Some positions will be changed, though, because many inactive players will disappear from the charts.

22. Août 2005, 22:33:03
Nuno Miguel 
on main page we have our rated game types and the positions. this will disappear after wednesday or just the ranking on the charts?
thanks

22. Août 2005, 16:54:32
ScarletRose 
Sujet: Re:
ClayNashvilleTn: Don't even think about taking the easy way out bud!!!!

besides.. that site has been down for 3 days now! *giggle*

22. Août 2005, 14:41:34
ClayNashvilleTN 
Sujet: Re:
harley:Actually, thats why I asked, to benefit the new players.

"DANG" there are way too many features on BK.
Think I'll just mosey on over to IYT where it isn't sooooo easy to get confused.


22. Août 2005, 14:29:51
ClayNashvilleTN 

22. Août 2005, 14:28:00
harley 
modifié par harley (22. Août 2005, 14:30:01)
LOL give it a try and see if its what you were looking for!

*edited to add... don't ever be embarrassed asking about something. If you don't know, then there will be other people that don't either so you're doing all those people a favour too.

22. Août 2005, 14:26:13
ClayNashvilleTN 
Sujet: Re:
harley: oops, is that how you do it?

If it is, I am embaressed if not YES

22. Août 2005, 14:23:43
harley 
Clay, you mean to see all the baords at once? After you clicked on 'discussion boards' you can click on 'expand all boards' and that will show you every public discussion board on the site.

22. Août 2005, 14:08:04
ClayNashvilleTN 
Could we have a link for game site boards? Where one could just click on the link and see the various discussion boards. Perhaps it would be identical to the "Discussion boards" link.

DUMB QUESTION: Is there an easy way now to see such a list or have I just not found it yet?

22. Août 2005, 13:45:18
Andersp 
Sujet: Re: BKR
Fencer: I'm prepared, are you?

22. Août 2005, 13:37:10
furbster 
Cheers Fencer, i love that i can see how many moves i've made woohooo

22. Août 2005, 13:23:08
Fencer 
Sujet: Re: BKR
Andersp: When I find a more sophisticated method.

22. Août 2005, 13:21:18
Andersp 
Sujet: Re: BKR
Fencer: any idea when?

22. Août 2005, 13:21:12
harley 
Fencer, you already made 275 moves today!


Everyone look at your profiles, you can see how many moves you made so far today!

THANK YOU Fencer! Great feature!

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