that's not only a brainking feature ;)
just hope she makes it finally to leave me
alone and remembers these boards are monitored
and, as I assume, don't grant any mobbing ... ~*~

Surely you didnt assume he found a real life?...and yes, the poison of IYT has washed up on the shores of BK...also making friends everywhere he goes, ahhh some things never change.

some ppl evidently have to carry
their private problems everywhere
to debate them publically ... :O ... ~*~

awww what a surprise isn't it ??

but actually your profile showed 10 days ago
that you noticed me already - cutieblonde :D ~*~

'

Isn't there anywhere on the web I can visit without seeing his snide remarks?? or even his name?

I would suggest to keep both variations
- it's a question of agreement ... not
everything called legal is logical ... :) ~*~

Goldtoken also allows the illegal move. I would like to note also that a lot of players do not realise it is an illegal move as they have never played on a real board. So they figure if the site allows it, then it should be. I am hoping Fencer fixes it soon :-)

A player must use both numbers of a roll if this is legally possible (or all four numbers of a double). When only one number can be played, the player must play that number. Or if either number can be played but not both, the player must play the larger one. When neither number can be used, the player loses his turn. In the case of doubles, when all four numbers cannot be played, the player must play as many numbers as he can.

For more info. on backgammon rules visit
http://www.bkgm.com/rules.html


Backgammon Galore

LOL...I have ice cream! Wanna spoon??????


Giggle, giggle!

yep, spider is off for me too.

Yes...I cannot open any nackgammon games as well....all other are ok....just nackgammon doesn't work for me....

I'm not sure either - here usually we play it
the other way: of course everybody may choose
freely which dice to use first ... but I heard
of a different interpretation as well ... ~*~

(I could be wrong since I'm not a gammon expert, but I'm pretty sure this is against the rules... please correct me if I'm wrong)

Lets take for example if you roll a 6 and a 2. Lets say only 1 of your checkers are able to move 6 spaces (and many to move 2 spaces)

So instead of moving that 1 checker 6 spaces, you move it only 2 - leaving the "6 dice" to do nothing, and you end your move.

I believe the rules are (and again, I may be wrong) - If possible, you HAVE to use both dice when it is possible. So the software should "MAKE" me move that 1 checker 6 spaces, and also move a checker 2 spaces.

I have seen this happen in 2 of my games here so far.

illegal moves in backgammon allowed?please elaborate so I know what to watch for.

Yep, white screens :o(
I'm having to exit the site and come back on to do a new move!

or nackgammon games?..Im just getting a white screen...

I did 2 start with, now it just seems Spider & Nack - i do have that problem with a named game though...

I'm having trouble with ALL my games, if I click on 'move and go to next game' I get a white screen, same if I click on 'move and go to main page'... or to a named game. Its taking me ages to get any moves done!

Is anyone else having trouble getting into Spider 4 games ????

(reply to Dmitri King message from way below)

What point was I trying to make by rewritng them? Well take a look at the very next thing I wrote - "Simple Suggestion: Just don't go there no more". If someone does not like a site, do not go there! (At least I think it sounds simple enough).

It is a game site. If you don't like how it is ran, don't go there. They have non-paid memberships so everyone can try out their site before they pay. If they do not like it, well try another place - there are more and more turn-based game sites comming up (including this great place - BrainKing).

As for the negative thing. When I see a post that puts down one site, and then turns around and tries to promote a second site - I PERSONALY feel that it reflects negativly against the second site! I know not everyone will agree with my view (and that is fine), but to me it just seems like the second site has people go out and destroy the first site. Even though the second site might not approve of what is going on (which I have not heard how BrainKing feels about it) - but to put down IYT and turn around and tell people to come here looks very negative to me.

I mean if you are going to do that, why not also post the bad stuff about BrainKing???? Don't get me wrong, I love BrainKing - but there are bad things here also. Why not include how it is hard to follow threads in the message board? Or how the Backgammon games will let you make illigal moves? Or how they also limit their free users - and you can only join 1 tournament at a time as a free users (and even if you are out of the tournament - you can't join a second one until ALL users in a section are done - not just you).

Bottom line: All sites are different (THIS IS GOOD). People should try all sites and play at what they like best. For example, I do not like to play at GoldToken. But, every once and awhile I will post a message on IYT about different turn-based games sites. I include GoldToken, LittleGolem, DailyGammon, and now BrainKing. Even though I do not like all the sites - everyone should find what they like the best - and if you do not like it, DO NOT GO THERE! (sounds so simple.... but I guess it is not)

And again - I know not everyone will agree with my opinion, and that is fine. Good Luck in your elimination plans of IYT.

BBW (BIG BAD WOLF)

<but pssst !
when you whisper so close to
my ear your breathe tickles ...

and I have to be calm and composed ;)

have to check the doublesided janus blonde indeed
uhhhm - just the vision of having a dance ... WOW !. 0:)

even as obligation, most likely a pleasure too ... >:) ~*~

danoschek - LOL LOL I like that!

Whisperz - Well all the brunette pieces squealed (they would, wouldn't they) but the brunette bishop was a proper wuss!
I'm glad they haven't got Janus chess there. Imagine grabbing the King's Janus...
The blonde pieces, though, were very obliging.

you think not
- okay that's understood :p ~*~

If I had smiled and said Please would you have posted your complaints elsewhere, I THINK NOT!
An addiction is hard to break.
:D

you did not smile and did not say please
indeed that makes it difficult to respect
either your flawly summary or your
futile attempts to command me ... :) ~*~

PS:
exercise that grin yet
a bit before publishing .... - please 0:)

Are you hard of hearing? Do I need to shout?

I was just stating that if you had complaints about IYT, Go and do it somewhere else!
AND you accuse ME of constantly complaining......

I doubt you
found the time to read yet before blasting

This is my second only post on these boards..
Unlike some I have a life outside of BrainKing and IYT
** BIG GRIN **

awwww :D
pleased to meet you Mylady, my hero ;)

_ _ _ _ _ . - ' - : _ @}%-;-'---

as blonde gurlz seem to be a feature here 0:)
I'd like to balance your effort by providing
the blondes joke to end all blondes jokes ...
________________________________________

There was a blonde woman who was having
financial troubles so she decided to kidnap
a child and demand a ransom. She went to
a local park, grabbed a little boy, took
him behind a tree and wrote this note:

I have kidnapped your child. Leave $10,000
in a plain brown bag behind the big oak tree
in the park tomorrow at 7 A.M.
Signed, The Blonde

She pinned the note inside the little
boy's jacket and told him to go straight home.

The next morning, she returned to the park
to find the $10,000 in a brown bag behind
the big oak tree, just as she had instructed.

Inside the bag was the following note ...

Here is your money. I cannot believe
that one blonde would do this to another !

Cariad: which piece squealed the loudest when you pinched it?

Again it takes a (blonde) girl to solve the problem. I've been over to IYT and pinched their dice and chess pieces.

are you shouting at me ?

that's idle - got used to it ... :p
I CERTAINLY won't disturb in any of
your fellowships created and, I doubt you
found the time to read yet before blasting ...

as I happened to express my pleasure
of finding features here, that I missed ...

and I CERTAINLY will give note about
my developing opinion ... as mentioned

I don't know why you
are constantly complaining

get over it ... *grin* ~*~

Humble, honest and supported. Let's talk about how good this site is and give thanks to Fencer for the great work he does and how he responds to all suggestions.

Hey! I thought the title of this message board was BrainKing.com.(Board for everybody who is interested in BrainKing.com itself, its structure, features and future) Doesn't IYT have it's own gripe board, Maybe we should ask Fencer to create a new board just for those who wish to complain about IYT or better still lets have a seperate board for danoschek then if anyone wants to read his constant drivel they can add it to their favourites.
This site speaks for it's self, Fencer has done a great job and i'm sure it will continue.
YES! Some sites are better than others (Some MUCH better) But why clogg up the message board with constant complaining?
If you don't like a certain site then DON'T PLAY THERE!
Lifes too short
GET OVER IT!
Just my humble opinion :)

CYA

let them have a grudge against ME - I'd knew
some reasons, valid or not ... ;) there has always
been a lot of noise around me at the boards as -
unlike many others, just giving up exposing - I did
not retire when I faced concerted mobbing, instead
severely struck back ...

multiple accounts applauding each other for
the humbug they summon and complain together
when the echo becomes uncomfortable ... :P

the main disadvantage of boards not monitored
and, open to insults and filth - some live for it only,
I have to assume - can't happen here, the fellow-
ships are simply ingenious ... :)

everybody has the space to play the little and
modest and worldfamous superhero in his own circle
-- onto that without disturbing the whole picture,
that's simply great ! 0:)

back to paragraph 1 - let them be grumpy with me
as reason for additional background mailtraffic.

but Savage didn't publish anything
also top player - also paying member ...

not to mention, claiming draw aware of a sulky
opponent not taking a perpetual check as given,
worked again - even by quick response ! (1 day)

once they apologized for losing the entire
mailtraffic of 3 days - I honestly don't know
- got tired of analyzing the failure-pattern why
some technical dissonances just were ignored ~*~

Danoscheck is making an excellent point that I think is being overlooked. What happened to him is a SERIOUS FOLLY on the part of IYT. screwing up the final round of a topurnament like that is about as big of a screwup as can happen, and they responded to it very poorly. Would any of you want soemthing like that to happen to you? Well, if not, what makes you think it won't? do you think they have a grudge against Danoscheck? That seems unlikely. SO what happened to him can only be chalked up to gross incompetence.

but indeed my first icy feeling at iyt
occured when realizing that amazingly
the correct progress of a tourney was not
important enough for websupport to fix it
- in between THREE months - despite of the
independent complaints of two PAYING top-
players. that's just a fact to state like many
other examples, reported not only here and,
not to oppress any final summaries ... ~*~

sounds strange - if I play at iyt and
join pente.org for realtime, am I illoyal ??

regardless of being fairly successful
at iyt-chess :D still www.fics.com will
remain THE official chess-server for me,
just because it IS.

maybe the language barrier prevents me
from understanding the sense altogether ;)

and actually the term 'eliminate' in the
original subject line sounds very strange
also - a server not matching gamer's needs
will eliminate itself period - why pushing ?

I shared my main objections moderately and,
like to share the attracting properties better,
- what server ever. some of the board features
here are exactly what would have avoided a lot
of trouble at iyt, no doubt ...

tournaments are better structured here,
at first sight, I'm still a newbee. optional
rating-restrictions seem good to encourage
beginners who'd be else taken out too quickly.

there are a lot of details to compare ...

I'll certainly give note about
the development of my opinion ... :D ... ~*~

nighthawk.. you say "DO NOT invalve other innosent parties for they have no fight with these site that your on and they're not... "

who is involving innocent parties? We are simply stating the facts of ehat happened at IYT. Why are you and lindalou being apologists for their site? They screwed up, and our recourse is to a) not pay and b) tell others we think IYT is no god. If you purchase an inferios product, are you going to sit by idly while your friends suffer the same fate? NO, you will tell them (your friends) how much their products suck!

Well, that is what we are doing here. IYT has a long history is poor service, and they are reaping the rewards for their action! I would write to them a DOZEN times for ap roblem, and get the run around or no respsonse, or a response that insulted my intelligence.

And, what is all this crap about Ice Cream? Can we try to stay on topic? I would only veer off intop a discussion about Ice Cream if I felt my argument was lacking merit.

NIghthawk-- I am glad for you that you have not had the misfortune of lousy dealings with IYT, consider yourself lucky. Several of us have provided specific examples of their poor service, perhaps you could volunteer soem examples of their good service to you?

Lindalou, I must poitn out again that IYT does NOT have a million players. They used ot have the number of games played next to the number of registyered users-- and the number of games played worked out to about 1.8 per registered user. What does that tell you? Some people play hundreds or thousands of games, so the actual number of players is way below 1 million.

You say it is impossible to satisfy that many people?? What a cop-out! That is really lame. They should hire more people, or lowere their rates, NOT raise their rates and not hire more people. ALso, only a small portion of the users were paid members--- and even those people received poor service. They said they would look into a stats inaccuracy for me-- after a week of giving me total B___S__T reasons for the inaccuracy (which I easily shot down) they told me they would get back to me and never did. you say you never had a problem with them-- can you give an example of soemthing they did successfully for you? I know soem people who have had no problems, but they never had to request anything either...

Danoscheck, I very much doubt that ITY has a million players. that is just their number of registered users (many of whom have multiple user names), and many of whom never play a game or played one or two and then stopped.

"PS: That last paragraph where you say you are not sure what I'm saying here - I was just re-writing some stuff that Gary Barns had wrote.... that was all! :-)"

ok, but what point were you making by rewriting them?

as to the rest-- you mention it is not a good idea to offend the loyal IYT users. I have not met a loyal IYT user. If you do meet one, please have him contact me.

Also, you said the owners of the wite (Brain King) probably do not want anything negative associated with them. Who is associating anything negative with Brain King? The negatives are being associated with IYT....

Oh, heck. This isn't going to deteriorate into a slanging match board is it? You pay your money and you take your choice - except you pay your money after you find the site that best suits you.

I'm with loggerhead - who's got the ice cream? Let's party. I can bring a gorgeous brunette, a delightful redhead and, er, a bluehead. Oh, and a blonde I suppose (okay cariad?).

Ice cream? Who got ice cream? Flavour matter not...

I for my part would not state any critics here,
that I haven't directed to iyt support as well. :)

rather would believe that after several
successless attempts of requesting a closer
review of incorrect tournament progress my
12th complaint did not exaggerate reserved
style anymore :) I described that case on the
tournament board, here. did it not for selfish
just for the spirit ...

'don't eat the chocolate if you don't like it'
is missing the point a bit far. as I don't happen
to buy chocolate for one year in advance, we
'ate' promises that simply have not been kept ...

announcements from April 2001 still pending.

I'm certainly not the one who likes to
complain once a week, as founder of the biggest
iyt group at yahoo, always have tried to bundle
requests and to promote patience there ...

and my style forbids also to suggest lindalou
to stay there if she thinks everything is gold.

stereotypes rarely help ...

there are so many players worldwide, for sure
several servers for millions have their space.

may the competition of ideas bring out the best.

good luck yet, to brainking for the time of
the first bottleneck-effects that WILL come
as I am sure aware of its attractivity ... ;)

Happy St Patrick's Day ! ~*~

Good or bad different strokes for different folks.I personally have not had any bad experiences with IYT or their custormer service department.In fact only good service... To do away with any one game site or anything else for that matter would create a monopoly, which would be very bad not only for game sites.This is relatively a new site.IYT has over a million players as to a few thousand here. How will this site be if it grows that big? To keep that many people happy is just unheard of.Sure voice your opinion to IYT staff and if you're unhappy don't play there. I'm sure they have a lot of satisfied customers too.Complaining about IYT at BK is useless and would be like complaining about Wal-mart at Sears.Some people like chocolate ice cream, while others like vanilla.If you don't like the chocolate,don't eat it....

it appeared only at a few boards
(pente analysis for instance) and,
it definitely was moderate ...

I don't think either server-bashing
would bring anything good - too
many clubs have been already
wasted by notorious gang-wars ...

IYT remains a remarkable place
to play anyway - a million players
per se means a rich pool of opponents

but, just as well, to state appropriately the
existence of many misfeatures, support snoozing
somewhere between, buried under and looking over.

premium service not for premium fee aye ... ~*~

I guess what I'm trying to say:

It is wrong to make things into a IYT vs. BrainKing. It is much better to say "Hey, there is a new great site called BrainKing. It's growing quickly. Come and check it out at: http://www.brainking.com" - that way you don't make enimies from loyal IYT players, and you get more people to come and check out this place.

BrainKing is a great site - and I think having negative things assotiated with it is just the wrong way to go. And I would think the owners of this site would not want that either. (but maybe they do... I guess I can't really talk for them)

I'm not saying there are not things wrong with IYT, but as a site grows - more problems come. Just wait about 6 months and see if BrainKing is having problems. If it keeps growing as fast as it has in the past few months, I bet you it will. (Hope not, but ....)

So I'm not saying there are not things wrong with IYT, I just think you are going in the wrong direction to get people to try BrainKing. But that is a difference of opinion which neither of us will probable change - so Good Luck in trying to eliminate IYT.

BBW (BIG BAD WOLF)

PS: That last paragraph where you say you are not sure what I'm saying here - I was just re-writing some stuff that Gary Barns had wrote.... that was all! :-)

no one is "spamming" message boards. Also, you say

"I think it is really good to let people know about BrainKing - BUT I think it is REALLY bad to talk bad about IYT and recommend another site in the same post."

why? I don't see it that way at all. It is a foregone conclusion that Gary and I will not be playing there any more, but we don't feel like leaving it at that-- IYT pissed off a lot of people and now they are paying for it! They deserve whatever bad publicity they get, it is their own fault. you make it sound as if the complaints against them are insignificant, you say

"So you think the owner and customer service dept. has an attitude. So you think that IYT has become one of the snobbiest businesses. So you think they have the worst customer service.
"

I am not sure what you are saying here-- it seems that you are minimizing the importance of these facts, when in fact, those are several major strikes agfainst IYT! Gary and I were paying members of IYT and like many others, we felt jilted by their terrible responses and service. We are encouraging people to play games at Brain King because Brain King has shown itself to be what IYT is not, and that is great!

May I ask you a question?

Why do you want to "eliminate" IYT? So you think the owner and customer service dept. has an attitude. So you think that IYT has become one of the snobbiest businesses. So you think they have the worst customer service.

Can I make a simple suggestion? Just don't go there no more. I mean if you don't like it that much, just don't play there. Ask any friends you have there to come and play you here.

I'm not trying to start any IYT vs. BrainKing (there is good and bad about each) - but the bottom line is you play where you like.

I think it is really good to let people know about BrainKing - BUT I think it is REALLY bad to talk bad about IYT and recommend another site in the same post. It is just the wrong way to do it. Also spamming different message boards with the same post is also not a good way to do it.

Again, I'm not trying to start anything - I just think you are going about it the wrong way. Suggest BrainKing, and let everyone decided what they like the best! :-)

BBW (BIG BAD WOLF)

IYT ignores or is unaware of a fact that this site is aware of.most online users are fairly intelligent,liberal.they talk on/off line among themselves.good or bad customer service = the word spreads fast.this is also true for site performance.

Hey all -

There's something that I want to bring to everyone's attention. That is the attitude of the owner and customer service dept. of the gaming site referred to as IYT at www.itsyourturn.com. They have become one of the snobbiest businesses with some of the WORST customer service that I have EVER done business with, internet or not!

I have posted messages on 4 different IYT game analysis discussion boards telling of many of their problems in detail and HIGHLY recommending Brain King to everyone. My basic objective is to take them OUT hard and fast!

If you are like me and many others who have had many bad experiences with IYT and agree that they have become a terrible site, let your thoughts be known on both the BrainKing AND IYT discussion boards as many places as you can. That will give this site more exposure and will help eliminate an eyesore from the internet gaming landscape!


Gary Barnes