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Also maybe require that games be under way rather than completed as a person's opponent can stall, use vacation days and dictate the pace of the game if they want to.
With a new game I can think of three methods,one is to use your beta testers (established players) to set the baseline. Another to use the system as is until a base is established. A third would be to log results for the startup period and run an offline analysis to baseline initial BKR's.
Going back a bit I also think Ratings should have a half life (decay) to make people work to keep them and to offset the influx (i believe the current algorythm has a positive bias) if not then it should have.
<So that when two unrated players compete (as any game would be on a new game) both player's bkrs could be affected. A couple two-game tournaments would soon supply a base of established ratings. :>
noholdsbarred: Interesting idea, but when I add a new game [so nobody has a rating in it], how could anybody get a rating if only established ratings are counted for calculations?
Excel lies....no account has been taken of the players who played lost a few then departed fbefore ever entering the lists...
I wonder if changing the system such that unrated players did not affect the ratings of the people they played until they had established a rating for themselves. At the very least it would discourage the one day ratings boosting campaigns since they would have to compete and complete against 5 already rated players before being able to have an effect.
The time taken to establish such a net would surely discourage the more casual offender.
It would also encourage even the most sensitive ratings protector to play unrated players... thus giving them a genuine start value.
You must remember too, that the MIDDLE bkr, isn't necesarilly the AVERAGE bkr.., but probably pretty close..
Oh, I see Kevin figured out the average for chess.... and in this case, I guess it's pretty close..
I would also add, that the average is most likely different for most games. Depending on the number of skilled players as opposed to novices that are here on this site.
I find most of my ratings on this site are significantly higher than elsewhere, but that doesn't verify the inaccuracy of the system.
And you'd think there'd be more people towards the bottom of the average (especially provisional ratings) than above, so the median is not necessarily even close to the average.
I think the rating system has been skewed by "ratings boosting". However I think that this has been spread across the board so the average has lifted.
I know that at least one player on my current list has an artificially enhanced rating. Gained against players who never stayed on long enough to gain a rating their 1300 has been added to the pool without their being added to the divisor (rated players list).
Of the chess players with an established BKR, #125, out of approximately 250 total, is rated at 1675. This seems a little too high to be an accurate average and a greater sample number will probably prove this out. Your 1500 estimate may be close to an accurate average although I believe FIDE is about 1300. Maybe Brainking is a little more forgiving.
I was thinking the 1300 would have been for a reason. And it is around half way up the scale too. But 1500 looked more like a good average player number to me
Steve R : I would think that most players fall into the 1300's which would account for the provisional BKR. There are, for instance, approximately 950 rated chess players with player #475 rated at about 1400.
What BKR value would we take as an average players amout, Would you say half way between 100 and the max, or is there a number that is just above or below that.
Or has this never been looked into?
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if none were non rated Backoff, I think if any finish before a couple of moves, they dont count too.
So if a game is started but times out, they are like that.
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This site has been slow for me also - but actually other sites that I'm on right now are also slow, so I figure it is not a BrainKing issue - but some other issue in the "internet"
Is anyone else having problems with the site going very slow ?
There are about 140 on line at present though.
I hope it is not going to meltdown like last night again LOL
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