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10. Juillet 2009, 13:46:56
gogul 
Sujet: Re: I love google!
Tuesday: Chevrolet? Rickenbacher?

10. Juillet 2009, 13:42:59
gogul 
It was around the 12th of June when guantanamo went Palau, a good solution for 17 Uyghurs. All that China had to protest (they only protest and do not have the power for more), these Uyghurs are suspected terrorists. Listen Chinese: We do not care about what you think.

10. Juillet 2009, 13:34:19
gogul 
Chinas contribution to the world problems (money, Guantanamo, trading) is none. They like to look hyper correct, but their way is abuse. They pest their environment to be able to deliver us their TRASH. Typical transgressors the chinese.

10. Juillet 2009, 12:20:06
gogul 
Sujet: Re:I would have destroyed his ego to start with.
gogul: This IS a grey wolf. China is selling rubish to the world, and even worse trash to Africa, and the Chinese want cash for that? No way.

10. Juillet 2009, 12:03:32
gogul 
Sujet: Re:I would have destroyed his ego to start with.
Pedro Martínez: Lets bust China. Get the Wall Street journal for background.

10. Juillet 2009, 11:32:54
Pedro Martínez 
Sujet: Re:I would have destroyed his ego to start with.
gogul: Destroy with care. Wunderschön.

10. Juillet 2009, 11:31:59
gogul 
Love your craftsmen (Swiss culture).

10. Juillet 2009, 11:26:21
gogul 
Sujet: Re:
Tuesday: Isnt it one and the same smile. It needs something in ones head to understand that those who lost an election (lets say the republicans with Obama) AND those who don't go to the ballot usually build the majority. Obama's no saint, he's under watch as everyone else too.

10. Juillet 2009, 11:20:07
gogul 
Sujet: Re:I would have destroyed his ego to start with.
(V): It should be brake, my bad.

Yes, destroy. Btw with care, not everything.

10. Juillet 2009, 11:16:48
Mort 
Sujet: Re:
Tuesday: Yep.

10. Juillet 2009, 11:13:00
Mort 
Sujet: Re:
modifié par Mort (10. Juillet 2009, 11:13:15)
Tuesday: I think quite a few people can see MJ in themselves.

And that you can see, is a change and break from not seeing.

10. Juillet 2009, 11:12:46
gogul 
Sujet: Re:
Tuesday: Demos are ment to protest ok. But it often enough makes not more than a silly 'I'm mighty'-smile on the faces of the transgressors. It's all about good mood, bad mood in this ugly circles. It doesn't need big demos to bring down the mood of a failed politician. It's all about mood. There is no violence needed, no stike, no masses needed IMO, I have my own ways.

10. Juillet 2009, 11:11:27
Mort 
Sujet: Re:I would have destroyed his ego to start with.
gogul: Why destroy? why not change!!

"I can see that in political processes you usually break down. Why so?"

???????

10. Juillet 2009, 11:05:27
Mort 
Sujet: Re:
Tuesday: Or gotten wiser... But reflection was not a widely taught thing back then.

..... Shame.

10. Juillet 2009, 11:04:21
gogul 
Sujet: Re:I would have destroyed his ego to start with.
(V): And I can see that in political processes you usually break down. Why so? It's our job to make fire under politicians bums.

10. Juillet 2009, 10:58:35
gogul 
Sujet: Re:I would have destroyed his ego to start with.
modifié par gogul (10. Juillet 2009, 13:44:08)
(V): I don't run away after I destroyed something.

Here's a bridge to politics please: brick by brick... I'm bored with it. It's called salami taktic over here, the Americans say filibuster I think.

10. Juillet 2009, 10:53:35
Mort 
Sujet: Re:I would have destroyed his ego to start with.
gogul: And that can be more destructive if done. Such destruction has been likened to taking a sledge hammer to a brick wall surrounded by glass houses.

Brick by brick is a better method.

10. Juillet 2009, 10:50:51
Mort 
Sujet: Re:
Tuesday: He sure did. It might have been just an age factor, or that his dad had gotten better at such acts... who knows!!

10. Juillet 2009, 10:43:06
gogul 
Sujet: Re:
Tuesday: Michael was fine, but if i would have been the one helping him, I would have destroyed his ego to start with. He didn't need the excess, nobody needs.

10. Juillet 2009, 10:35:14
gogul 
Sujet: Re:
(V): "Aww". its my very right to get over the past and to not bug anyone anymore with it.

10. Juillet 2009, 10:29:10
Mort 
Sujet: Re:All that michael can teach is a howto 'be a puffed up ego' in five steps.
gogul: Then I suggest you are missing the point. I see no ego, I just see a kid that never got a chance to be a kid.

And being childlike has been said to be one of the most important aspects of ourselves by many people, and many religions and philosophies.

10. Juillet 2009, 10:25:53
Mort 
Sujet: Re:
Tuesday: suffered the most... any info on why?

10. Juillet 2009, 10:25:36
gogul 
Sujet: Re:
Tuesday: Michael gave up his life to sharks, that is sad for this man. That is the lesson, make your own coffee yourself, choose the color of your socks yourself, wash yourself in the bathroom. Not the you and me kind of problems.

10. Juillet 2009, 10:22:46
Mort 
Sujet: Re:omosexuals are tired as being seen as predators.
Tuesday: Sexuality has nothing to do with abuse or predatory acts. A heterosexual man or woman is just as likely to commit such acts as someone who is gay. I think the stats (though I'm not 100%) say that heterosexual people are more likely, but if that is due to the difference in numbers of sexual preference I'm not sure.

It's all down to a long cycle and whether you are the 'one in eight', as I'm led to believe that is the likelihood of such a mindset being passed down from one generation of abused->abuser.

10. Juillet 2009, 10:18:42
gogul 
Sujet: Re:
You don't solve your problems by taking a look at mj's life. People who don't know how to get decent, I don't know. Should I care? All that michael can teach is a howto 'be a puffed up ego' in five steps.

10. Juillet 2009, 10:11:15
Mort 
Sujet: Re:
gogul: You know some people know they need to solve problems but don't know how.... or put into a state where they think such solving is not possible, or find such a task too daunting.

"Aww" reminds me of attitudes that have kept the cycle of abuse going, people led to believe that what they have been through is an unmentioned subject. It's normal...

It is not.

And if MJ's life leads to even just a small number of adults and children escaping such a vicious cycle then it'll never be a waste.

10. Juillet 2009, 10:03:58
gogul 
Sujet: Re:
(V): This point comes as soon as your surrounding understands enough about TRANSGRESSION. Transgressive people are much worse than aggressors.

10. Juillet 2009, 09:44:16
gogul 
That's like the people who think that their spleens, little maniac tendencies, crazy ideas, their sweet depressions and all these bugs are tools to stress their surrounding. One day you come to a point where it is too late to solve your personal problems, and then you get the mess.

10. Juillet 2009, 09:37:57
gogul 
Sujet: Re:
modifié par gogul (10. Juillet 2009, 09:38:46)
(V): Right. there is michael, there are kids, there is his daddy and his family. Michael serves as an example of somebody who didn't see the need to solve his personal problems. Lost childhood the poor michael? Aww

10. Juillet 2009, 09:28:05
Mort 
Sujet: Re:
gogul: Politically.. not really... but as a matter of human interest... no.

We don't want to go back to the old days of abuse being hidden and not talked about.

And it is a politically talked about subject here in the UK, as several cases of abuse have come to light through those who are supposed to monitor at risk children have let down children resulting in deaths. Some people have lost their jobs over certain cases.

10. Juillet 2009, 09:28:04
gogul 
Allright. That's nuts. Mj's life is a failure.

10. Juillet 2009, 09:22:47
Mort 
Sujet: Re:
Tuesday: If (as I've never seen any proof) Michael J had the skin disease then by all means he had the right to sort out that problem... But he started changing his appearance before the skin disorder became publicly known.

IMO many of his family were affected. Looking at how some of his brothers and sisters talk and look Michael was not the only one to suffer from his fathers wrath. He was just the most evident of the affect of long term abuse.

I'm not dissing him, just being honest in my thoughts.

There have been many cases come to light of long term abuse recently.. especially about one in Austria.... It can devastate a persons emotional growth.

As to him committing homosexual acts with these kids... unknown. But statistically the odds are that he might have had some out of the norm emotional deviations. Yet thanks to the first case being settled out of court, unless someone opens up we will never be quite sure.

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