Netanyahu to Obama: Stop Iran—Or I Will

Sujet: Re:1 arrest is to many

(V): In any protest there will be elements that want to cause trouble. The minority do not represent us or show us up, they just show that there are elements in the UK just like the rest of the world. A shame, but just reality.

See, this is my point.... when it came to a few bad soldiers in a prison, your attitude towards a minority were much different.... all you wanted to do was believe the media hyped reports... and you used a minority action to represent the whole!

I would say it is a shame, but a reality of war, and an isolated hyped up incident, but you would have none of that back then?

4. Avril 2009, 11:21:00

Mort

Sujet: Re: Perhaps Jules lives in a cocoon, or in a housing estate where you don't have to leave.

Bernice:

No, as I said, much more important things then the G20 and the news this week.

4. Avril 2009, 11:15:48

Mort

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Artful Dodger:

... they were using high level CCTV throughout.

4. Avril 2009, 11:15:08

Mort

Sujet: Re:1 arrest is to many

Snoopy: In any protest there will be elements that want to cause trouble. The minority do not represent us or show us up, they just show that there are elements in the UK just like the rest of the world. A shame, but just reality.

4. Avril 2009, 11:11:43

Mort

Sujet: Re: Nahhhh mostly peaceful protesters

Bernice: I missed that one then.... The G20 and news has not been a high priority this week for me. Many, many other things that needed my attention, which were way more important.

4. Avril 2009, 05:15:26

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Bernice:leave it to czuch to set me straight

4. Avril 2009, 05:07:37

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Czuch:good point. I was going to suggest that if Jules lives in a cocoon then he'll be emerging as a butterfly soon.

4. Avril 2009, 05:06:09

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Czuch: agreed

4. Avril 2009, 05:01:48

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GoodTimeCharlie:I agree. Ive seen that very thing in the states. Some would even travel to a "local" protest.

4. Avril 2009, 04:36:38

Czuch

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Artful Dodger: Well, when the person is part of the issue, what then?

I get accused of turning a blind eye or for not being fully aware... that doesnt offend me, it may even be true

Jules (thats who you are referring to right?)
He will make claims sometimes, where I see it as exaggerated or mislead or whatever, and now he is the one with the shoe on the other foot, trying to protect something that most of us find unprotectable, saying that the reports are not accurate and such, dont believe the media hype. But there was a time when he believed it all, and still does....

4. Avril 2009, 04:35:53

tyyy

Anytime it seems when there are these international summits or political conventions,there is trouble ,no matter where in the world. I saw this in Seattle, and Philadelphia some years ago.There are professional agitator or protest groups, like the Ruckus org. that actually advertise and will pay for help in that particular city where an event is going on

4. Avril 2009, 02:59:23

I feel the need to remind the group to remember to address only the issues, not the person. Some addressing of a person can be harmless, but just remember not to carry such things too far. It's easy to offend in forums like these. I know I've done my share of that. ;)

4. Avril 2009, 02:54:28

V: much of what happens in the world is a matter of perspective but from what I've seen on TV, it's pretty nasty when a crowd destroys the property of innocent people just to make a political statement. Civil unrest is fine but violence isn't. Protest are fine but when you attack the police with the intention to provoke them, then you have a mob. And the number of arrests don't necessairly reflect the level of violence. It may be an indicator, but even so, over 100 arrested probably means a few hundred more that didn't get caught. The police can do only so much.

4. Avril 2009, 02:19:07

Sujet: Re: Nahhhh mostly peaceful protesters

Bernice: i often wonder if i live in the same country has Jules..lol

4. Avril 2009, 00:23:07

Sujet: Re: Nahhhh mostly peaceful protesters

Snoopy: yes I have read the news and it is a terrible thing when emergency services can't do their job properly.....Perhaps Jules lives in a cocoon, or in a housing estate where you don't have to leave, and all services are provided thence cutting off the rest of the world....*shrugs*

I also read where one of the main instigators was an anthropology professor.....helloooooo......I thought it was "no brains, no sense" but not in this case LOL

3. Avril 2009, 23:51:51

Sujet: Re: Nahhhh mostly peaceful protesters

Bernice: sadly its common on the streets of the UK
to have the emergency services pelted with stones esp the ambulance and fire services

and theres still alot of areas that ambulance personel will not go into unless they have a police escort

3. Avril 2009, 23:41:35

Sujet: Re:1 arrest is to many

modifié par Snoopy (4. Avril 2009, 00:59:25)

(V): im sorry but your saying only 122 arrests were made has if it was a good thing

there was an element that was hell bend on causing real trouble
it once again shows us up to the rest of the world

3. Avril 2009, 23:05:01

Sujet: Re: Nahhhh mostly peaceful protesters

(V): read the news boy.....
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090401/tuk-man-dies-during-g20-violence-dba1618.html

http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2009/04/02/64901_todays-news.html

he may have died of a heart attack but it was the violence and upheaval they think caused it. and for the protesters to throw rocks etc at police while they are trying to resuscitate the poor fellow....I agree with Snoopy Im afraid....disgraceful it is

3. Avril 2009, 09:28:27

Mort

Sujet: Re: Thoughts on this?

Artful Dodger: Israel wanting to get all warlike again

...... It speaks to me of unresolved anger issues. I think they should get help

It also makes me wonder how many strings are being pulled and by whom? Just a niggle, but my niggle sense is good.

3. Avril 2009, 09:14:45

Mort

Sujet: Re: Nahhhh mostly peaceful protesters

modifié par Mort (3. Avril 2009, 09:21:29)

Bernice: ... Well that is news reporting. As one news anchorman said "good news is not good news".

Of course they are going to show the bad bits more... duhhhhh, but over the G20 summit only 122 arrests have been made.

The BBC say... "a little of it intensely violent - but most of it overwhelmingly peaceful and benign."

And no deaths that I've seen reported. As the old saying goes... don't believe the hype.

2. Avril 2009, 22:12:21

Sujet: Nahhhh mostly peaceful protesters

(V): Good lord....peaceful????/ not from what Ive seen on TV....Blood and guts everywhere and even some killed?

I would hate to live in your neighbourhood if you think that is peaceful........

2. Avril 2009, 21:33:44

Sujet: Re: Thoughts on this?

Pedro Martínez:

2. Avril 2009, 21:20:58

Pedro Martínez

Sujet: Re: Thoughts on this?

Artful Dodger: Shhh! They will ban you for posting names!

2. Avril 2009, 21:11:23

Sujet: Thoughts on this?

Netanyahu to Obama: Stop Iran—Or I Will

2. Avril 2009, 09:06:16

Mort

Sujet: Re: The only ones exempt seems to be civil servants!!

Snoopy: I remember when they were first shown on the BBC

2. Avril 2009, 09:03:11

Mort

Sujet: Re: The only ones exempt seems to be civil servants!!

Czuch: Nahhhh mostly peaceful protesters who the police have even commentated are a good humoured bunch just exercising their right to show their displeasure at the messes recently... amongst other things. Only 87 predicted arrests out of the whole day. Some have been caught and others have been warned that they will get a knock on the door soon. Whether they get all 87.. who knows, but I expect the majority will be caught and prosecuted. It's a shame they have to spoil a good ol' British peaceful demo.

2. Avril 2009, 08:56:25

Mort

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ScarletRose: Laid back and desired. That suggests that the inmates are so use to prison they find the order there much easier then the outside world. And just because they are criminals and even killed people doesn't mean that they should be denied basic rights of health. And as for counselling.. I've seen some serial killers when interviewed show more honesty then many politicians. I mean.. to say that you shouldn't be released.. ever, is to me a great thing to admit, to say you know you are not safe and don't want to hurt anyone else!!! And that as you probably are aware that such monsters are created and not born like that has to be considered. And if that person needs help you propose not helping them is not good I feel.

1. Avril 2009, 23:35:42

Pedro Martínez

Sujet: Re: got this in email today LOL

Bernice:

1. Avril 2009, 19:45:31

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Sujet: i violence on the streets of London

shame on them

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7977561.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7977489.stm

1. Avril 2009, 17:25:28

Sujet: Re: The only ones exempt seems to be civil servants!!

(V): yes shows i watch to much UK gold ..lol

1. Avril 2009, 16:36:31

Czuch

Sujet: Re: The only ones exempt seems to be civil servants!!

(V): Whats going on over there anyway??? All the anarchists are out in force it seems?

1. Avril 2009, 16:26:51

ScarletRose

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modifié par ScarletRose (1. Avril 2009, 16:27:22)

Bernice: That would be interesting.. most of our prisons in American are laid back and desired... heck! A person can go kill someone then sit on their butt for years to come getting all the medical, dental, counciling, food, shelter, heat and cooling they ever need.. and most times only have to worry about kitchen duty a few times a year..

1. Avril 2009, 10:07:08

Mort

Sujet: Re: The only ones exempt seems to be civil servants!!

Snoopy: Ahhhh are you going back to the wonderful programs "Yes Minister" and "Yes Prime minister"?

1. Avril 2009, 10:03:26

Mort

Sujet: Re: The only ones exempt seems to be civil servants!!

Bernice: Just a remark. Nothing more.

1. Avril 2009, 08:01:49

modifié par Bernice (1. Avril 2009, 08:02:48)

tomorrow "National Geographic" is showing a programme called "Guantanemo" has anybody seen it and is it to be believed?

and NO...I'm not getting back into the 9/11 discussion....this show is about americas worst prisons

1. Avril 2009, 01:58:32

Sujet: Re: a lil over the top

Vikings: I like that idea. Voting for the leadership is one thing but voting for just any civil servant would be too much.

1. Avril 2009, 01:06:58

Sujet: Re: a lil over the top

Vikings: well the whole world should be on an even keel then LOL

1. Avril 2009, 00:56:37

Vikings

Sujet: Re: a lil over the top

Bernice: same here, city, county, state and federal

1. Avril 2009, 00:52:38

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Vikings: we have SO MANY levels of Govt in australia it is laughable. First off we have local Govt...we vote every 3 years for them....each town has their own local govt. then we have State Govt...we vote every 3-4 years fpr them....each state has their own Govt. and then on top of all that we have Federal Govt. we vote every 4 years for them.

Now you have local laws, state laws and federal laws. and then there are my laws

(in my house anyway LOL)

it is a very confusing system over here....I somehow think UK has something similar, but that is only a guess.

1. Avril 2009, 00:44:25

Vikings

Sujet: Re: a lil over the top

Artful Dodger: We do vote for our sherrifs

1. Avril 2009, 00:33:13

Sujet: Re: a lil over the top

Bernice: Yes, that's what I meant. I think term limits would be a good thing. I think we'd stand to gain more than we'd lose. Sure we'd lose the more experienced ones but those are the ones that seem to do whatever they like regardless of public opinion. And new blood is always good.

As for civil servants, I suspect V was playing on the word "servant" as often service is not what we get from the govt but red tape etc. Many civil servants are simply government loopholes one must jump through. But I agree with you that voting for them would be crazy. ;)

31. Mars 2009, 23:53:20

Sujet: Re: The only ones exempt seems to be civil servants!!

Snoopy:

now how could that be....after all it is only a job, don't they go thru interviews same as any other job?

Or are things soooo different in Jolly England?

31. Mars 2009, 23:35:50

Sujet: Re: The only ones exempt seems to be civil servants!!

Bernice: that is what is suppose to happen
but its well known here that civil servants seem to have more power than any goverment

31. Mars 2009, 23:16:11

Sujet: The only ones exempt seems to be civil servants!!

modifié par Bernice (31. Mars 2009, 23:25:27)

(V):

what a strange thing to say..... why would you want the THOUSANDS of civil servants voted in?.....and in your mind how would it be possible? How would you get to know your "applicants" to be able to vote them in? After all they are only doing a job and doing what their Bosses (who also arent elected to their position)are telling them. Now the Bosses presumably take their "orders" from the elected representatives.

Please enlighten us all

***or was it just something to say/remark upon***

31. Mars 2009, 23:00:48

Mort

Sujet: Re: a lil over the top

Artful Dodger: Yep. Every 4-5 years there is a general election. MP's get voted for as part of the process. Also local councillors are subject to election as well.

The only ones exempt seems to be civil servants!!

31. Mars 2009, 22:08:32

Sujet: Re: a lil over the top

Artful Dodger: yes I think they do, the same as ours.
We have elections every 4 years for PM and fed. govt. There is no limit on how many elections you can win (in australia at least).
Is this what you mean by "term limits"

31. Mars 2009, 21:31:42

Sujet: Re: a lil over the top

(V): Do your elected officials have term limits?

31. Mars 2009, 21:09:38

Mort

Sujet: Re: a lil over the top

Snoopy: It better not be a whitewash, as if it is... I can see the papers.. um.. um.. saying it nicely... reporting that it is a whitewash.

And if that happens, the confidence of the British people regarding Parliament will hit rock bottom.

And yes... sleaze is what our MP's seem to be best at.

31. Mars 2009, 16:52:50

Sujet: Re: a lil over the top

modifié par Snoopy (31. Mars 2009, 17:40:11)

(V):

the inquiry into expenses will be yet another whitewash has all the rest have been

the sooner we have an election in the UK the better

mind saying that they all out for themselves so nothing will change

31. Mars 2009, 16:33:42

Mort