Snoopy: Strange... My x-ray was next day, my scan 2 weeks... bloods same day. Specialists sorted with an appointment for the next just 2 weeks after.

Snoopy: Any new 'program' is going to have teething problems. That's normal.. It'd be unreal to think it won't!!

.. I mean Microsoft can't get it right first time can they!!

Artful Dodger: The legislation was signed in March this year. If you'd read it you'll know it was designed to be enacted in stages...

Within one year of enactment (2010-2011)

* Insurance companies barred from dropping people from coverage when they get sick, ending the practice of rescission. Lifetime coverage limits eliminated and annual limits restricted.
* Young adults able to stay on their parents' health plans until age 26. Many health plans currently drop dependents from coverage when they turn 19 or finish college.
* Uninsured adults with pre-existing conditions will be able to obtain health coverage through a new program that will expire once new insurance exchanges begin operating in 2014.
* Insurance companies cannot deny group or new (non-grandfathered) individual coverage to children under age 19, due to a pre-existing condition.[146]
* A temporary reinsurance program is created to help companies maintain health coverage for early retirees between the ages of 55 and 64. This also expires in 2014.
* Medicare drug beneficiaries who fall into the "doughnut hole" coverage gap will get a $250 rebate. The bill eventually closes that gap which currently begins after $2,700 is spent on drugs. Coverage starts again after $6,154 is spent.
* A tax credit becomes available for some small businesses to help provide coverage for workers.
* A 10% tax on indoor tanning services that use ultraviolet lamps goes into effect on July 1.

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Artful Dodger: Businesses don't collude today they say.....

Yeah right.. 1000's of firms in the UK were caught out price fixing.

Guess those economists don't get out much!!

Artful Dodger: He led the USA till near the end of WWII.. His management of the USA economy helped the USA have the industrial strength to win it.

He's the only USA president to be elected for over 2 terms. He must have done pretty good.

Pedro Martínez: Yes I do mention my sources. Just not all the time.. N' most people can see when I'm C&P.. just like they can see when others are doing it.

http://www.muhammad.net/other-scriptures-mainmenu-43/26-muhammad-in-the-bible/104-muhammad-in-the-old-testament.html

Here you are.. it was in my history

Tuesday: Nahhh... Implication.

Pedro Martínez: I'm not the only one to use C&P.. in fact I use less then many.

Ferris Bueller: Bad times for Christianity. Thankfully it didn't work. As one friend once said to a JW on the door to door convert wagon... "Who are you to tell me how to believe in God?" ... One answered truthfully.. "we can't".

The likes of the Gnostics, Origen (a must read I feel) did survive thank God.. And they could never get at the Desert Fathers.

Jim Dandy: We had tax cuts.. then they stopped. Now to pay our debt off.. which, the previous government hid the depth of .. everyone gets to pay an extra 2.5% on VAT.

My policy.. grow more food.

Jim Dandy: I can understand being a Republican he's moaning about Obama... but the tax cut is only a Bush pay off. To moan about 3 trillion dollars of extra income but moan about Obama spending 300 billion... where did he study maths??

GTCharlie: ..... VAT is getting hiked to pay for ours.. up 2.5% That and the application of some common sense... I'm glad we have a Conservative/Liberal coalition, it was the best result in terms of a government for the years ahead.

Artful Dodger: II. ALLAH AND HIS ATTRIBUTES

There are two fundamental points between Islam and Christianity which, for the sake of the truth and the peace of the world, deserved a very serious and deep investigation. As these two religions claim their origin from one and the same source, it would follow that no important point of controversy between them should be allowed to exist. Both these great religions believe in the existence of the Deity and in the covenant made between God and the Prophet Abraham. On these two principal points a thoroughly con- scientious and final agreement must be arrived at between the intelligent adherents of the two faiths. Are we poor and ignorant mortals to believe in and worship one God, or are we to believe in and fear a plurality of Gods? Which of the two, Christ or Prophet Muhammad, is the object of the Divine Covenant? These two questions must be answered once for all.

It would be a mere waste of time here to refute those who ignorantly or maliciously suppose the God as mentioned in Islam to be different from the true God and only a fictitious deity of Prophet Muhammad's own creation. If the Christian priests and theologians knew their Scriptures in the original Hebrew instead of in translations as the Muslims read their Quran in its Arabic text, they would clearly see that Allah is the same ancient Semitic name of the Supreme Being who revealed and spoke to Adam and all the prophets.

Allah is the only Self-Existing, Knowing, Powerful Being. He encompasses, fills every space, being and thing; and is the source of all life, knowledge and force. Allah is the Unique Creator, Regulator and Ruler of the universe. He is absolutely One. The essence, the person and nature of Allah are absolutely beyond human comprehension, and therefore any attempt to define His essence is not only futile but even dangerous to our spiritual welfare and faith; for it will certainly lead us into error.

The trinitarian branch of the Christian Church, for about seventeen centuries, has exhausted all the brains of her saints and philosophers to define the Essence and the Person of the Deity; and what have they invented? All that which Athanasiuses, Augustines and Aquinases have imposed upon the Christians "under the pain of eternal damnation" to believe in a God who is "the third of three"! Allah, in His Holy Quran, condemns this belief in these solemn words:-

"Because the unbelivers are those who say: 'Allah is one of three.' There is but One God. If they do not desist in what they say, a painful punishment will afflict those of them that disbelieve." (Quran Ch.5 v73).

The reason why the orthodox Muslim scholars have always refrained from defining God's Essence is because His Essence transcends all attributes in which it could only be defined. Allah has many Names which in reality are only adjectives derived from His essence through its various mani- festations in the universe which He alone has formed. We call Allah by the appellations Almighty, Eternal, Omnipresent, Omniscient, Merciful, and so forth, because we conceived the eternity, omnipresence, universal knowledge, mercifulness, as emanating from His essence and belonging to Him alone and absolutely. He is alone the infinitely Knowing, Powerful, Living, Holy, Beautiful, Good, Loving, Glorious, Terrible Avenger, because it is from Him alone that emanate and flow the qualities of knowledge, power, life, holiness, beauty and the rest. God has no attributes in the sense we understand them. With us an attribute or a property is common to many individuals of a species, but what is God's is His alone, and there is none other to share it with Him. When we say, "Solomon is wise, powerful, just and beautiful," we do not ascribe exclusively to him all wisdom, power, justice and beauty. We only mean to say that he is relatively wise as compared with others of his species, and that wisdom too is relatively his attribute in common with the individuals belong- ing to his class.

To make it more clear, a divine attribute is an emanation of God, and therefore an activity. Now every divine action is nothing more or less than a creation.

It is also to be admitted that the divine attributes, inas- much as they are emanations, posit time and a beginning; consequently when Allah said: "Be, and it was" - or He uttered, His word in time and in the beginning of the creation. This is what the Sufis term "aql-kull", or universal intelligence, as the emana- tion of the "aql awwal", namely, the "first intelligence." Then the "nafs-kull", or the "universal soul" that was the first to hear and obey this divine order, emanated from the "first soul" and transformed the universe.

Artful Dodger: Walid Shoebat seems to be a bit of a liar... made a bit of money out of it since coming to America. If Allah is false due to worship before.. then so is our Christian God as he was one of many before Moses converted the Israelites.

"Jesus is denied as God and called only a prophet. Islam god is one. The Christian God is triune."

.... The Christian God is not triune.. that is a doctrine and is not recognised throughout Christianity as being true. Allah has many names to describe him, just as G-D does in the Jewish faith. The name Allah is used by some Jewish faiths and Christian faiths as the name for God.

so you are wrong again

And Jesus is not God.. he is the the leader of the Christian sonship. God and human at the same time just as we all are. Strictly speaking.. we are all God.

Vikings: Rubbish. Judaism/Christianity & Islam all are based on interpretation of the same God and his word to us.

The Jewish G-d.. The Christian God and The Muslim God (Allah) are the same.

It might be good to look at the reformation of the Christian faiths when the new Protestant faith based folk and the Roman Catholic church were coming up with the same sort of arguments as some of you guys are today (millions dead through that argument)... or further back to the formation of the Roman Catholic Church where conformity came at the end of a sword or burning.... in the name of the (*cough*) Christian God.

Our own Church of England dates back to Henry VIII and his desire to divorce his current queen for a new one which was blocked by the RCC.

Artful Dodger: That was back before the party's switch around wasn't it? Republican became Democrat n' Democrat became Republican as we know them today.

Jim Dandy: In the end regardless of who and why .."she did this.. he did that"... a line needs to be drawn. They've been working 18 months to get these talks up.

Jim Dandy: ...??? At the Balfour declaration?? *ducks*

Artful Dodger: You forgot to pay for the rich folks tax cut. They must be surely broke by now... NOT!!!

Jim Dandy: .. It doesn't mean the Israelis have the right to take land not theirs. I can understand defence, but I wish the UN could be used to deal with any Palestinian attacks rather than the Israeli army. I also wish all the UN resolutions made against Israel would have been enforced.. again to introduce a UN force. Also that the UN resolutions the USA 'vetoed' were not.

Our country is officially annoyed with Israel, over their breaking a promise NOT to use fake British passports again to allow them to enter another country in order to assasinate people.

Artful Dodger: Our fear regarding the present condition was that there might be a double dip.

Btw did you hear how Boeing risked all in developing the 747. Spent everything and upto the waist in debt. Private enterprises in the USA spent over a billion just to get to the wind tunnel stage of testing a supersonic jet liner design.

.. yet the UK and French government completed Concorde for the same money. The project went over budget.. but the plane was a beauty. No-one can even match it today, at the time it'd even outrun the RAF's interceptors.

Jim Dandy: Not quite right.. it needs to include also when they don't fear for their children and feel their children have a future.

Jim Dandy: It's not going to be an instant thing, there will be hiccups.. but if the folk aiming towards sorting it keep going...

Blair lied about Iraq but he organised peace in Northern Ireland.

Artful Dodger: Absolute rubbish.

Jim Dandy: The terrorists full stop need Israel ... The IRA needed the Loyalists and the Loyalists needed the IRA. But in the end the people wanted peace, the cost of that war was just sickening the people.

Jim Dandy: If they can sort out a peace deal in Northern Ireland with all the various sides involved in that mess then there is a chance. N' Hamas won't be in power forever.

The US is preparing to release a statement establishing details for direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians, the BBC has learned.

Both the US government and other international Quartet members have been working towards a formula to persuade both sides to begin negotiations, after several months of indirect talks.

US special envoy George Mitchell has tried to establish enough trust to begin direct talks - with the ultimate aim of two states existing side by side in peace.

If they do.. less power to the recruiters of terrorists.

There will have to be compromises and ground given by both sides if a new round of peace talks is to succeed where many previous attempts have failed.

Just as in Northern Ireland

N' on the news just now.. The last US combat troops are leaving Iraq two weeks earlier than Pres Obama aimed for.

Übergeek 바둑이: It would remind people of the Kennedy family and their problems... George has lost the republicans much appeal.

Artful Dodger: George Bush had those who were against him taken away into specially designated zones so their protest would not be seen on TV. His heavies tried to have those who protested imprisoned.

Artful Dodger: Sounds like those conservatives in the Tea party who are trying to define what a true conservative is!!

Tuesday: They were a way of describing mankind's moods and emotions.

Tuesday: Trying to describe God as a elderly white man was just an offshoot from the Roman and Greek Gods.

Übergeek 바둑이: The devil is just a word describing our animal side out of control. As for natural disasters.. we live on a living planet. Yes thousands even millions might get killed in such an event but that is just life. Neither good or evil.. just life.

In a universe filled with billions of galaxies containing billions of stars... in the end.. If the Earth got hit and all life exterminated.... the universe wouldn't even blink. Yet at the same time Jupiter has by it's influence given us time to evolve rather than get hit by asteroids every few thousand years.. that again is life.

Maybe we should adopt the Origen way of thinking that God is an energy. not some bad tempered deity, an energy that is everywhere and in everything.

Bwild: ?? It's been illegal for a woman to protect herself and the life of her baby in extreme conditions!!

As for helping the economy.. I'm sure those extra souls going into prison will put to work to make goods cheaply.. eg US military gear for GI protection.

Bwild: It all started off with saying the Bible does not have boogeyman sections in it. Then if you look back it went onto relativity and God.

But at least we have some sense from the 'conservative' element on this board..

"then likely religion is not the root of the problem but something else is."

Aye.. greed, power and face.

If one could achieve light speed time stops.. why.. to protect the speed of light which cannot be broken. At the event horizon of a black hole.. time stops.

http://www.costellospaceart.com/html/time_and_the_speed_of_light.html

An electron knows quantum mechanics it can be in more than one place at a time

Plants know quantum mechanics... It's how they manage to convert light so efficiently into energy.

Quantum mechanics 101 ... things can just come into existance. Gravity 101 ... the more G the slower the time. Singularity 101 Einstein's theories do not work at the quantum level.

Time only starts when the Big Bang took place. The rules of gravity were not the same as they are now, from gravity being a strong force it 'leaked' into other dimensions and became a weak force.. that's why magnets can pick up things.

We cannot see gravity with our eyes, we can only see it's effect.

Moses saw the plagues.... how did he see them?

Tuesday: Is God religious?

Jim Dandy: You cannot. Christ even said his words would cause conflict.

Tuesday: Exactly.. Just as Allah or G_d have nothing to do with it.

Jim Dandy: Aye.. and his words were used by the Nazi's to justify their pogrom

Tuesday: The starters of the Protestant faith wanted the genocide of all Jews.

Artful Dodger: Are you sure about that?

Tuesday: And what of those who've used Judas as an excuse to condemn and kill Jews?

Tuesday: 40.... it's a matter of purification. Without the OT references.. how would anyone understand that?

Matthew
10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Tuesday: amongst other stuff.. including Genesis, why Jesus spent 40 days instead of 40 years in the wilderness, that God did not create creation first but a female side... etc, etc, etc.