(V): What the difference for example with your conservatives and liberals?

(V):

> Piers Morgan is considered a conservative

What passes for liberal in the USA and Canada is a right wing conservative anywhere else!

The USA has two choices: right wing, and right of right wing. Well, it just shows that the concept of left and right is relative.

Artful Dodger: Piers Morgan is considered a conservative here in the UK. He certainly had no qualms about working for Murdoch as the editor for the NOTW in the past... can't get any righter than working for Murdoch.

If you are talking about his interviewing style with politicians.... He's an English conservative, not an American one. The difference is bigger than the Atlantic ocean!!

(V): that's not a lot of viewers. Certainly not enough to sustain a show. On YouTube yes, cable no. You have to wonder why MSNBC keeps hiring these liberal nut jobs (Joy Bahar, Al Sharpton....) as they can't pull in any decent ratings. But if they put a good conservative at the helm, they'd easily score over a million viewers. American's are tired of the liberal spin here.

Artful Dodger: Damn!! Does that mean he'll be coming back and doing UK TV soon... ... again!

His 'interviews' over here (on ITV) were too choreographed, quite the opposite from his days with NOTW where justified going after celebs lock, stock and two smoking barrels!!

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Cable News Ratings - O'Reilly 3,271,000 Piers Morgan 604,000

Übergeek 바둑이: They are relying on their viewers not to know the difference.

eg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MjRV-UTs9o

Artful Dodger: Formal logic.... excluding a middle ground... .... yes, I understand the idea, but as having dealt with logic on a formal training ground in the likes of the ultimate logic devices, computers.


.... I find that it's not logical.

A computer uses 01, yet from that it must to operate, be capable of and/or gates as well as yes/no.

Then after reading up I have to ask, are you talking about the Aristotle version or Begriffsschrift?

Way to go Fox News and CNN. It is nice to see those networks lying to their viewers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk-qRU2nAUQ

Specially Fox News. They are so incompetent that they can't even figure out the difference between Greek and Russian writing.

DAMMIT!!

(V): I was speaking of formal logic. But then you knew that, right?

Artful Dodger: Yes... As they do on the BBC. Many once hardened lefties or righties, but softer now on a channel they use to fight with.

Interesting fact that!!

Artful Dodger: Seems there are several languages or varieties of that.

(V): All cable news outlets have paid contributors.

Artful Dodger: "

PROPER to pay them as they are regulars"....

Ships biscuits were trice baked. Very hard after that, but add gravy...

(V): philosophical logic??? off in left field?

(V): Should have said two opposite views. And yes, one view presented was completely opposite as she's a well known liberal. Fox has liberals on all the time and it's PROPER to pay them as they are regulars. Some guests don't get money as they are guests being interviewed. But those offering up commentary are called contributors and they are paid. So what.

Logic is abused and often chemical biological truths are mixed in to cause a move from binary to at least a trinary system. That languages keep on changing, and you've always got a chance of a ghost in the machine.

.. Especially back when I was at college when punch cards were used to program the mainframe, as we did back then before PC's!!

Artful Dodger: wow.. they really opposed... ... ... hard!!

I guess if they did their Fox paychecks would stop!! eheheheheh

(V): Eric Bolling=1 person. I've seen that video. Did you notice that he had TWO OPPOSING views presented?

Oh yeah DP, you walked away from our last exchange with your tail between your legs. You should stay away from trying to identify logical fallacies and stop pretending to understand logic. It's clear you don't.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl6ekkvWnOE


4 in this link to the fox news article.

Artful Dodger:
I don't think so, but feel free to persuade with either a link or an accurate quote.

(V): you were talking about the muppets. Show me more than one. More than two??

last time you tried that you had egg all over your face.

Artful Dodger: That's an excuse you keep using. But when many commentators on Fox say similar things about Liberals, socialism and communism at every opportunity...

It's more then one!!

(V): stop watching them. geez

(V):
He employs the "Argumentum ad hominem" fallacy regularly to avoid arguing the actual point of another's argument.

Artful Dodger: I said TV preachers... Please stop trying to change the context. ;P

And on the ones we see in the UK, alot of them are promising that God and Jesus will help them with their financial problems.

(V): Well, actually it was one commentator on Fox, not Fox as a whole. So you got that point wrong anyway. And I did comment. I corrected you when you said liberals are everywhere. I said that in Hollywood, they are as in the print and tv media. At least predominately. That's true. In talk radio, conservative voices out number the liberals but the liberals are there. But commentary and news are NOT THE SAME. But you knew that, right?

(V): Never heard it in any of the churches I've attended or visited.

Artful Dodger: The original post I did was about Muppets and Fox. We can go back to that and who killed Kenny if you wish!!

Artful Dodger: Yes they can.. But they don't have an audience being told God and Jesus is going to make them rich.

(V): I agree. Your post is quite meaningless. As it has NOTHING to do with the context anyway. You do have a serious attention deficit problem yes? It even shows in your writing.

Artful Dodger: Yes... I hear a soundbite about a man who's worth $6.7 billion dollars. Has used his papers and other media outlets to make governments rise and fall depending on whether they will be 'his friend' and pay homage on results. He is rated by business magazine Forbes the 13TH most powerful person in the world.

"Not exclusively, but predominantly"

Meaningless!!

Porn can make you rich and so can selling all things satanic. The occult is hugely popular. yada yada

(V):
That is capitalism.
It would be unamerican to suggest Jesus is off limits for profitable ventures.
I have heard or read the claim from many Christians that the bible is the all time best seller.

(V):Liberals are everywhere in Hollywood and the Media. Not exclusively, but predominantly
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get it now? or do you need more?

Artful Dodger: Is Murdoch a Liberal then?

(V): Liberals are everywhere in Hollywood and the Media. Not exclusively, but predominantly

Artful Dodger: I suppose then.. we have to blame them for the death of Kenny then!!

But is Kennys' death a fact??

(V): Liberals are everywhere in Hollywood and the Media. Not exclusively, but predominantly

Dark Prince: ... There are never ever any movies glorifying making money!!... ... ... Maybe that role has been moved to the Churches, seeing as many a TV preacher seems to be saying Jesus can make you rich!!

(V):
We mustn't forget about the green agenda of Dr. Seuss and the insidious eco-friendly plots of his books.
Oh, the horror of spreading the message of maintaining sustainable resources. We humans are supposed to dominate. If creatures have not evolved to withstand human encroachment and exploitations, they don't deserve to survive.

Ahhhhh the Liberals are everywhere according to Fox..... Even according to Eric Bolling using the New Muppet movie to promote communism.

Tim Dowling a blogger for the Guardian (it's a blogger, so he must be right) reports on how, with this new enlightenment he can look back and see all the old Muppet movies including this one are part of a long plot to overthrow the American dream and to brainwash young kiddies (just as the Cars movies did) into being left of left leftie liberals.

".....
The Muppet Movie (1979). The Muppets head for liberal Hollywood, portrayed here as some kind of collectivist paradise, while a businessman, a Colonel Sanders-type fast food magnate, is once again the antagonist. The notion of slaughtering a pig (in this case, Miss Piggy) is treated as if it were equivalent to murder. Thank you, veggie-nazis.

The Great Muppet Caper (1981). The Muppets travel to London, home of socialised medicine. Features some squatting.

The Muppets Take Manhattan (1984). I didn't see this one, but it's clearly about the Muppets joining some sort of terrorist network, which may sound funny to certain leftwing intellectual freedom-haters, but I think it's just sick.

The Muppet Christmas Carol (1992). Based on a story by Charles Dickens, whose other work was known to demonise workhouses, prisons and the wealthy. On the plus-side, the film itself promotes private charity over state intervention, but the overall message is that poor people got that way through no fault of their own, and need rich people to bail them out.

Muppet Treasure Island (1996). Treats the entrepreneurial wherewithal of freelance treasure hunters as "piracy". Why, for once, can't the bad guy turn out to be an overzealous environmental regulator?

Muppets From Space (1999). This film posits an essentially godless universe where certain Muppets turn out to be space aliens and is, in its own way, as anti-Christian as any Harry Potter film...."

Remember people... Liberals are everywhere!!

Bwild: It'll be interesting to see if prices do come down once the UK's new wealth of shale gas comes on the market. Personally I'd like to see more geothermal power systems built.

Yellowstone holds a lot of potential ;)

Bwild: If that's the case, a hammer can bring it to light.

(V): the entire problem in a nutshell.