Artful Dodger: yes they do have problems with their health care as does australia. we have poeple going to india for ops cause it is cheaper to fly there, have the op , fly home and be dead in a month, than it is to wait for 3 years for the op in australia and be dead in 6 months ROFL.......

Artful Dodger: In australia we have free education, free health care, nearly $600 per fortnight for the bludgers on the dole who refuse to go to work...all they have to do is apply for 2 jobs per week( I think it is) to collect that. Everybody gets paid to have babies...$2000 per child so you have the trollops of society having heaps of kids and then when the money has gone on drugs etc the Govt. looks after the kids with a payment every month - called "Child support"...I have a feeling that it depends on how much you have....rich get nothing , poor get it all. They dont have to work for any of this.

As you say free health care is a meaningless point when it is a god given right.....people expect it and really kick up when it isnt received.

I think either New Zealand or Australia is the Leader in social services and sets examples to the rest of the world.....not that they are good examples, when the bludgers abuse it.

are people speaking from experience here or is all this just a matter of taking someone elses opinions and making them your own?

The source, force, and course of living are all tied to giving.

Please note the "hot topic" above (in the description).



didnt last long ..............

well goodnight from me and goodnight from my friend (myself) hehehehehe

it is dinner time and must get cooking.......see ya in the morning....play proper people and no attacking each other with knives while AD and I are asleep......

AD....I agree it does need a tighter control, and smaller posts....sorry Surper... LOL

Artful Dodger: hahahaha.....I just wondered if it does have an effect on people......you see some funny turn-arounds on boards here I was wondering :)

do you think the moon phases have an effect upon ones actions?

Artful Dodger: yes I would assume you are correct....

Snoopy: I agree with you.....novel type posts are never read.....they become too boring....I would prefer each paragraph posted separate so each could be read. I dont read his posts....cant be bovvered

Artful Dodger: EXACTLY................but is it paid for?
probably not.....Im glad Im from the old school, because if I want something I pay cash....ALWAYS...no exceptions....I put a new kitchen in last year....cash. I added another room onto my home...Cash. These days it is the norm to have things on "layaway" as we call it here is AUssie. or Time payment, hire purchase etc etc.......I wonder if POOR Usurper comes into any of those categories LOL - he did say he was poor didnt he?

Brian1971: well thank you so much.....your little messages are read and appreciated....so don't think I ignore them

I didnt like to use any names so that is why I said "someone"

and if they upset anybody....bad luck..................
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Subject: 3 inspirations

" If you envy successful people, you create a negative force field of attraction that repels you from ever doing the things that you need to do to be successful. If you admire successful people, you create a positive force field of attraction that draws you toward becoming more and more like the kinds of people that you want to be like."
--- Brian Tracy



" When you talk about your troubles, your ailments, your diseases, your hurts, you give longer life to what makes you unhappy. Talking about your grievances merely adds to those grievances. Give recognition only to what you desire. Think and talk only about the good things that add to your enjoyment of your work and life. If you don't talk about your grievances, you'll be delighted to find them disappearing quickly."
--- Thomas Dreier


" When the archer misses the mark, he turns and looks for the fault within himself. Failure to hit the bull's eye is never the fault of the target. To improve your aim -- improve yourself."
--- Gilbert Arland

Artful Dodger: "not saying a word" might get in trouble...........


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Artful Dodger: YOUR confused....how do you think I feel

Mousetrap: I have to agree with you there....in fact since "certain" people have been "banned" and their followers have moved on it is very quiet.
The original "PIT" has one post for January and before that the last post was November....they have gone real dead.

The only thing this fellowship has is more posts

where is AD......start up another conversation bout sumpin..........PLEASE

hahahaha....isnt that a respond LOL

(hide)

Tuesday: Reading back I get the feeling you think I was talking directly to you.....well I wasn't, I was generalising.....

If you took it personal, well I'm sorry, but you are the one out of place, not I.

There was no attack on you at all, so .......!

Tuesday: oops!!!.....alright, I will come down to your level......

Mousetrap: well disown is a bit strong, but for sure there would be "hell to pay" LOL

Tuesday: who are you talking about? now I am confused...

Tuesday: yes but again...it was YOUR decision...as I said below...get up and get over it LOL

Tuesday: yep....verbal, emotional, personal.....as you say...it kills but you recover.
and one of the first ways to recover is to stop feeling sorry for yourself and get on with life :)

Wife exercised man to his death

The Daily Telegraph

15 February 2009

AN elderly man was "exercised to death" by his wife - who forced him to swim even as he gasped for breath.

Christine Newton-John, 41, has pleaded guilty to reckless homicide after her 73-year-old husband James Mason died after being forced to swim to the point that he suffered a heart attack.

Surveillance video footage showed Newton-John, a transgender, pulling Mason around the pool by his arms and legs, Middlefield police Chief Joseph Stehlik said.

He said he counted 43 times in which Newton-John prevented her husband from leaving the water.

Mason rested his head on the side of the pool several times while gasping for breath.

"The man was exercised to death," Chief Stehlik said.

"The video is bone-chilling. The whole case is very sinister."

Mason had a heart attack on June 2 after the extended swim session.

Mason had been a longtime friend of his wife's family.

He knew her as John Vallandingham before she had gender reassignment surgery in 1993 and changed her name in honour of Olivia Newton-John, the singer and star of the hit movie Grease.

The couple were wed in 2006 in Kentucky, where people can change their gender on their birth certificate.

But authorities said the marriage was troubled and Mason was subjected to years of abuse.

"I think he was victimised for years by her," Chief Stehlik said.

An officer who had investigated previous complaints that Mason was being abused pursued the case because he suspected there was more to the death, Chief Stehlik said.

Newton-John was charged with her husband's death last week and pleaded guilty. She faces up to five years in prison.

The video would have had a profound effect on a jury, Geauga County prosecutor David Joyce said.

But that would not have been enough for a conviction if Newton-John had been charged with murder.

"You can see the man struggling for his life on the tape, but there is no audio, so we couldn't hear what he was saying," Mr Joyce said.

Before her arrest, Newton-John had the gumption to threaten the owner of the apartment complex with a lawsuit over Mason's death.

Artful Dodger: yes she has got that same look doesn't she.....but unfortunately she don't have the moolah.........(money)

hehehe.....Im not changing the post to you....it is fun ROFL.........

ArtfulI thought there would have to be some kind of ethics.............. Dodger:

Artful Dodger: yes I would have thought the Dr. would have had to have some responsibility but then there is no guarantee that the implants are going to take is there?

and she should be monitored closely to see how thekids are looked after.

Artful Dodger: yep.....

Artful Dodger: YOU??? heheheheheh

seriously ....yes I had heard and of course the Govt. is paying, who else.... did you hear....she has been written into Obamas financial policy

Carnal knowledge is an archaic or legal euphemism for sexual intercourse.The word "carnal" derives from latin carnalis, meaning "fleshly", and the word "knowledge" in this phrase derives from the "Biblical sense" of the word, which means "sexual relations".

In criminology, the phrase has had different meanings at different times and in different jurisdictions. While commonly a mere euphemism for sexual intercourse (not necessarily unlawful), different jurisdictions may define carnal knowledge as a specific sex act such as contact between a penis and vagina, some laws elaborating this to include even "slight penile penetration of female genitalia". The definition sometimes includes a set of sex acts that include anal sex and/or oral sex, while some statutes specifically exclude such acts. The law may specify that the sex act must result in ejaculation, and/or orgasm. Carnal knowledge has also sometimes meant sexual intercourse outside of marriage, and sometimes refers to sex with someone under the age of consent. The phrase is often found in this sense in modern legal usage, as the term "rape" implies lack of consent, and consent is considered irrelevant to such cases.
Source(s):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnal_know...

Artful Dodger: imagine the requests from the OLD EMPIRE.....millions per day ROFL........

Artful Dodger: the king musta been a nosy bugger

Pedro Martínez: it is an australian/nz law me thinks.....carnal knowledge being sex under the age of 16.....you can't get married under the age of 18 without your parents consent, and you cant get married (period) under the age of 16.......***edit*** with out the courts consent.

apparently the girl is the "town bike" there are 5-6 14-16 yearold boys claiming they could be the father.....even the neighbours are saying there were always boys sleeping over at the house.....the parents should be held responsible.

In australia the girl would be charged with having underage sex.....in fact they both would.

they call it carnal knowledge

Snoopy: hahahahaha............but we must remember it isnt all his fault, he didn't force her to have sex surely?

Snoopy: yep that is the one ROFL..........


AD.......I agree with you....what is he going to be like when he grows up ROFL

who should pay for the care of this child....

Father is 13years old and Mother is 15years old.

should it be the kids themselves, his parents, her parents, the Govt......who?

Vikings: OMG....another novel to read........I think we have all left it to Czuch......thanks mate

Mousetrap: I agree with both those statements ROFLMBO

Czuch: ....well Im pleased if you are pleased.

People have to get up, get out and HELP THEMSELVES.

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/11/27/wife-beating-in-islam/


***we have plenty of help for abused spouses***

About 1 mile from my home an old motel was turned into studio apartments just before Xmas....this was for abused wives, is security patrolled and husbands can't go near it.


Bwild I agree with you as well, that just as many husbands as wives suffer at the hands of their spouses.

Bwild: yes there was an issue with the muslims....they were complaining a few years ago because they werent allowed to wear their headdress in public schools (the reason being they couldnt be checked for explosives etc) so they built their own schools and then refused entry to non muslims - even tho it was built with public money,,,is this what you are thinking about?

I will do a check and see if I can find anything else.

anastasia: my mum told me once that it took her 18 years to build up my self *** --sorry I read that wrong....I thought you were referring to your mother.......

My self esteem was never *killed* as you put it because I left the next morning.

**Once upon a time**...Im lost on this one - sorry.

I never said it was the womans fault for staying, i said you have to have strength (Intestinal fortitude)to leave. You know what is wrong and how to fix it therefore - fix it.

Im sorry you had to keep going through it *shrugs* did you leave? or are you still in an abusive relationship.

You havn't had your head cut off, but then that could be better than being there, forever


***edited for spelling mistakes***
when will we get a spell-check.?

anastasia: I CAN JUDGE AND WILL....................why???
because I have been there, same as you and your mother....she didnt leave and you were brought up in that sort of violent situation and you accept it as norm.....let me tell you ....when I had my head stomped, arms slashed with knives, punched in face until black and blue, only to wake up the next morning to hear..."I'm sorry".....yeah well mate so am I.....I'm outta here.....
I heard the "You leave and I will find you and I will kill you and the 2 kids".....great, then do it.

Know what?????................they are gutless when they are in front of other people......on their own they are the strongest, because they can beat a woman half to death. GUTLESS.

Now don't you tell me not to judge, I have been there and done that.....IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN ....to me.

I got the horrible disease out of my system, and so can everybody else. If a person hasnt got the intestinal fortitude to stand up and be counted, then accept your lot, and stop complaining about it.

and here are my pom pom's

Artful Dodger: Yes I partially agree with you....it is the woman who stay for years putting up with the abuse. There is always something/someone to help. The salvation army for starters, and they DO NOT require you to join the church before they will help like a lot of the others do.

Anyway.....Happy Valentines day to those that are happy and/or in love....beaten or otherwise........

Im off out for a special treat

Mousetrap....god help anybody that gets a beating thinking it is love....

Some women don't have the where-with-all or the brains to get out. They take repeated beatings because of "the kids"...what rubbish, don't they realise they are doing the kids harm by staying.

anastasia says....don't judge a woman for the choice she makes.....
I don't judge them I just won't give any sympathy when they choose to stay and get beaten.......you make your bed, you lie in it........

The Usurper: Some of the reasons people are poor is because the laws of our land are written by the rich and favor the rich, to the detriment of the poor

written by the rich?.....I don't know about US of A but that sounds like crap to me......laws are written to cover all races and credes regardless of standing in the community....well they are in Australia....there isn't one law for the rich and another for the poor.


Do I disagree.........YES