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13. Janvier 2009, 21:26:41
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Latest Fox poll
Czuch:
Artful Dodger: Well,than I suppose no poll can ever be taken at face value,cuz that poll seemed pretty straight forward.

13. Janvier 2009, 21:02:44
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Latest Fox poll
Czuch: Personally I think there is a hrdcore number of both Democrats and Republicans who wish the other side to fail no matter what they accomplish.We are speaking of a Fox poll in this example,but my point would be made just as strongly if it was an MSNBC poll.Fox/MSNBC attract the hardcore of either side of the fence,thus the results.I must say I was a little surprised the number was as high as 41%,I would have expected around 25 or so

13. Janvier 2009, 20:49:36
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Latest Fox poll
Artful Dodger: Well,I do remember during the debates I saw many polls that were completely reversed in the Fox tally,how do the Liberals factor into those results?

13. Janvier 2009, 20:39:47
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Latest Fox poll
Czuch: I imagine that if all these people of different backgrounds and beliefs were passangers in the same airplane,they'd be united in wishing the pilot(Obama) a successful flight.

13. Janvier 2009, 20:18:03
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Latest Fox poll
Czuch: I think even the partisan Fox viewers(or almost 60% of them) know it would be best for everyone if Obama is a success from every perspective.Why shoot yourselves in the foot?

13. Janvier 2009, 19:00:10
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Latest Fox poll
Czuch: I'm no genius,but it seems to me that 59% wish to see Obama achieve a successful
Presidency( on whatever scale successful Presidents are judged in a bi partisian way)

and the 41% wish to see his Presidency not be a success(on whatever scale unsuccessful Presidents are judged in a bi partisian way

13. Janvier 2009, 18:35:33
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Latest Fox poll
modifié par The Col (13. Janvier 2009, 18:39:41)
Czuch: the figures were 59% and 41%
This was Fox viewer poll,not a national poll.
The question was not "do you want Obama to succeed in implementing a liberal agenda and policies"

but if it was,59% of Fox viewers apparently would,and you know that's a stretch

13. Janvier 2009, 18:24:42
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Latest Fox poll
Czuch: It was a simple question,the results speak for themselves.I have seen vague poll question before,this isn't one of them

13. Janvier 2009, 18:19:48
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Latest Fox poll
Czuch: I would hope Fox does not reflect all conservatives

13. Janvier 2009, 18:17:43
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Latest Fox poll
Czuch: Spin away

13. Janvier 2009, 17:55:45
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Latest Fox poll
Czuch:
Artful Dodger: Guys, it was a simple question,you and I both know Obama isn't getting the support of 59% of Fox viewers towards a liberal agenda,it's success or failure as President they were knowingly voting for.

13. Janvier 2009, 17:49:52
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Latest Fox poll--Do you want Obama to succeed
Artful Dodger: The question was phrased as I stated it.I was a little surprised by the results.Has "party" surpassed "country" ?

13. Janvier 2009, 17:39:59
The Col 
Sujet: Re: I have a question for liberals....
Czuch: I'd rather explore the 41% of Fox viewers who wish your President to not succeed

13. Janvier 2009, 17:35:53
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Latest Fox poll
Czuch: For a President to "succeed" he would be doing well.Hannity himself says he hopes Obama "succeeds" There is no way Fox would get a 59% Yes vote if it meant his agenda

13. Janvier 2009, 17:18:24
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Latest Fox poll
modifié par The Col (13. Janvier 2009, 17:19:08)
Czuch: It doesn't sound that complicated.To succeed is to do well for the country,I'm a little shocked that so many Fox viewers hope Obama does not right the ship.Now if it was asking "Do you approve of Obama?" that would be a different story,and different stats I would think coming from Fox

13. Janvier 2009, 16:14:40
The Col 
Sujet: Latest Fox poll
Q: Do you want Obama to succeed

Yes 59%
No 41%

13. Janvier 2009, 01:18:36
The Col 
You have to give her credit,well into her 80's she was one of the few White House reporters not willing to give GW a free ride

13. Janvier 2009, 01:07:01
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Here is a pretty good list for all the doubters out there
Czuch: It's sad when politicians lose sight of the fact reporters are there to report to the people.Thomas asked him questions he didn't like,so Bush basically thumbed his nose to the people wanting those answers.

13. Janvier 2009, 00:37:38
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Here is a pretty good list for all the doubters out there
Czuch: I thought it was pretty classless for Bush to snub Helen Thomas in his final press conf today.At 88 she is the dean of White House reporters,he ignored her raised hand,.........stay classy GW

12. Janvier 2009, 23:35:08
The Col 
Sujet: Re:
Czuch: Barnes is known for his loyalty to Bush

12. Janvier 2009, 23:29:20
The Col 
Sujet: Re:
Czuch: Barnes has a show on Fox News also,go figure

9. Janvier 2009, 23:04:53
The Col 
Sujet: Re:hat you bomb the **** out of them until they cry uncle
(V): Opinions in Israel are generally split many ways,that's what you get when you have as large a number of political parties as they do.They are surprisingly united on this stance though,not totally united,but far more than split.

9. Janvier 2009, 22:48:51
The Col 
Sujet: Re:hat you bomb the **** out of them until they cry uncle
(V): your opinion of "a step too far" might be altered if you lived in Israel

9. Janvier 2009, 22:27:45
The Col 
Sujet: Re:hat you bomb the **** out of them until they cry uncle
(V): I think when you're a country that has been under attack may times by multiple contries at the same time,sometimes at a 10-1 ratio of manpower,you're entitled to be "naughty" once in awhile.Did you hear about the latest in Italy?

http://mobile.reuters.com/mobile/m/FullArticle/CTOP/ntopNews_uUSTRE5082FY20090109?src=RSS-TOP

9. Janvier 2009, 00:10:49
The Col 
Sujet: Bush plunked former Aussie PM John Howard in Blair House,and bumped Obama to a hotel?
I guess it would be too much to ask Howard to move to a 6 star hotel,much better diss'ing the incoming President,and spending loads of cash turning the hotel Obama is staying in into an armed security installation,.....stay classy GW

8. Janvier 2009, 01:13:12
The Col 
Sujet: Re:How can they take some land if no-one gives it to them?
(V): The Palestinians need representation that is supported,too many(Hamas) would be out of a job if peace and a resolution is achieved.Some think that's the same reason we've yet to find a cure for cancer.There is more money in managing the disease,as opposed to curing it.

8. Janvier 2009, 00:10:11
The Col 
Sujet: Re:How can they take some land if no-one gives it to them?
(V): It's rather simple actually.Stop terrorist activities and acknowledge Israel's right to exist.That's a good start point to any negotiation with another party,it's called "negotiating in good faith",been done for centuries.

6. Janvier 2009, 22:29:30
The Col 
Sujet: Re:
(V): It's pretty disgusting how Hamas fires rockets (that they know will be traced by the Israeli army) from schools and hospitals.Cowardly also applies,but life is cheap to them,and they know their propoganda(and this human shield warfare technique) will be swallowed hook line and sinker by many.We can only hope that pressure is placed upon Hamas by the people of Gaza,and the international community,to both stop firing rockets into Israel(they hit a kindergarten yesterday,thank God Israelis are keeping their children home from school) and using the people of Gaza as shields,knowing full well that their fire will be returned to the source.The situation is very sad

6. Janvier 2009, 08:03:06
The Col 
Sujet: Re:
Charles Martel: Israel is far from perfect in their handling of the Palestinian issue,many mistakes have been made,some real head shakers,but you can't make peace with someone who doesn't acknowledge your right to exist,and wants you dead,that's a real deal breaker.This "war" is understandable though,no country should be expected to turn a blind eye to being bombed daily.

5. Janvier 2009, 22:46:57
The Col 
Sujet: Re:
Charles Martel: The settlements will be dismantled if (and when) a agreed upon resolution is made.When was this land taken by Israel? during wars? and who started these wars?

I doubt if I lost my money in a casino,that the casino would happily return it.You take your chances in war,they lost.

5. Janvier 2009, 22:10:23
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Re It paints a false picture of the real story.
(V): I'm aware of the history,but I do agree that other Arab countries pay mostly lip service to the Palestinian issue.Hamas doesn't want a resolution,that alone is a deal breaker.

5. Janvier 2009, 20:14:35
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Re It paints a false picture of the real story.
modifié par The Col (5. Janvier 2009, 20:15:36)
Artful Dodger: It reminds me of when I would fight with my sister when we were kids.If I started the fight I would be forced to apologise,if my sister started it,we both got repremanded.Israel is in a no win situation,they are expected to take their daily bombings,and smile.Hamas should be blamed for bringing this onto the Palestinian civilians.

4. Janvier 2009, 23:23:43
The Col 
Sujet: Re:
Artful Dodger: Not only was he one of your best Presidents,he appreciated a good cigar,a mans man

4. Janvier 2009, 23:18:23
The Col 
Sujet: Re:
Tuesday: Karma came around on Richardson for throwing the Clintons under the bus.

1. Janvier 2009, 04:52:53
The Col 
Sujet: Re:
Artful Dodger: Obama speaks best when he uses a "sing song" cadance,stuttering is often treated by using an amped down version of that delivery.I find his conversational style weak

1. Janvier 2009, 04:28:31
The Col 
Sujet: Re:
Artful Dodger: I'll admit,she was very weak,but not stupid

1. Janvier 2009, 04:24:06
The Col 
Sujet: Re:
modifié par The Col (1. Janvier 2009, 04:26:09)
Artful Dodger: Palin is being interviewed tonite on a CBC program called "The Hour"

I can't wait to watch oil meet water,the guy who does the show keeps his guests on their toes

http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/index.html

1. Janvier 2009, 01:58:15
The Col 
Sujet: Re:If that had been done by Saddam, there would be uproar.
(V):

31. Décembre 2008, 05:57:15
The Col 
Sujet: Re:
Artful Dodger: The Palestinians will turn on Abbas,at Hamas's urging,I totally agree with your other points

30. Décembre 2008, 23:28:55
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Israel and Gaza
Artful Dodger: Hamas couldn't be happier,and it's a "no win" situation for Israel.

20. Décembre 2008, 00:07:09
The Col 
Sujet: Re: bush is an idiot! Bailing out autos?
Artful Dodger: You might be on to something

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKmzGPIx4YQ

19. Décembre 2008, 22:22:42
The Col 
Sujet: Re: bush is an idiot! Bailing out autos?
Czuch: In the words of John Lennon:

"you'd better recognise your brothers"

19. Décembre 2008, 22:11:51
The Col 
Sujet: Re:
Artful Dodger: What Nixon did is pretty minor,he just got caught.,People were just far more niave then,and much less cynical.To some it was as shocking as the time they learned Santa didn't.........nevermind

18. Décembre 2008, 15:45:59
The Col 
Sujet: Re: libs are so afraid of conservatives that they feel like they need to slant their news stories and warp our minds just to make liberalism more tolerable.
Czuch: I remember fairly recently seeing O'Reilly feature cross dressers invading a church in San Fran seeking comunion.The story was framed in such a way as to make it much more extreme than the reality of the situation dictated.I can only imagine what a 24/7 Fox viewer thinks of anyone not Republican,and the same for a 24/7 viewer of MSNBC

18. Décembre 2008, 15:36:50
The Col 
Sujet: Re: libs are so afraid of conservatives that they feel like they need to slant their news stories and warp our minds just to make liberalism more tolerable.
(V): I agree,it's not wise to make decisions without hearing both sides of an argument

18. Décembre 2008, 08:28:01
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Bush in Iraq
Czuch: I love Mathews style,he's like a dog who won't let go of your pant leg

I think both sides of the fence were fairly represented in that discussion

18. Décembre 2008, 08:25:48
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Bush in Iraq
Artful Dodger: Wallace has really improved,I think he values the respect of his peers.They are not replacing Colmes with a liberal counter, Beckel handles Hannity well,he'd be perfect.

Other than Hannity, Fox has removed some of the harder edge,but that's a logical move considering the shift in the political scene.

18. Décembre 2008, 02:03:45
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Bush in Iraq
Czuch: I agree,I've said all I care to on the subject,but this is an interesting recent discussion

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/28262158#28262158

18. Décembre 2008, 01:57:35
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Bush in Iraq
Artful Dodger: I'd say that Fox reporters get more than their share of praise when they show balance.Carl Cameron and Shepard Smith have been praised for their objectivity often in the last few months,and rightly so.

18. Décembre 2008, 01:43:29
The Col 
Sujet: Re: Bush in Iraq
Czuch: Are you saying that if someone was not at the rally they support Bush?

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