Forum for discussing local and world politics and issues. All views are welcomed. Let your opinions be heard on current news and politics.
All standard guidelines apply to this board, No Flaming, No Taunting, No Foul Language,No sexual innuendos,etc..
As politics can be a volatile subject, please consider how you would feel if your comment were directed toward yourself.
Any post deemed to be in violation of guidelines will be deleted or edited without warning or notification. Any continued misbehavior will result in a ban or hidden status, so please play nice!!!
*"Moderators are here for a reason. If a moderator (or Global Moderator or Fencer) requests that a discussion on a certain subject to cease - for whatever reason - please respect these wishes. Failure to do so may result in being hidden, or banned."
Liste des forums de discussions
Vous n'êtes pas autorisé de poster des messages dans ce forum. Le niveau d'adhésion minimal requis pour poster dans ce forum est Pion.
Czuch: Personally I think there is a hrdcore number of both Democrats and Republicans who wish the other side to fail no matter what they accomplish.We are speaking of a Fox poll in this example,but my point would be made just as strongly if it was an MSNBC poll.Fox/MSNBC attract the hardcore of either side of the fence,thus the results.I must say I was a little surprised the number was as high as 41%,I would have expected around 25 or so
Artful Dodger: Well,I do remember during the debates I saw many polls that were completely reversed in the Fox tally,how do the Liberals factor into those results?
Czuch: I imagine that if all these people of different backgrounds and beliefs were passangers in the same airplane,they'd be united in wishing the pilot(Obama) a successful flight.
Czuch: I think even the partisan Fox viewers(or almost 60% of them) know it would be best for everyone if Obama is a success from every perspective.Why shoot yourselves in the foot?
Czuch: I'm no genius,but it seems to me that 59% wish to see Obama achieve a successful Presidency( on whatever scale successful Presidents are judged in a bi partisian way)
and the 41% wish to see his Presidency not be a success(on whatever scale unsuccessful Presidents are judged in a bi partisian way
Czuch: the figures were 59% and 41% This was Fox viewer poll,not a national poll. The question was not "do you want Obama to succeed in implementing a liberal agenda and policies"
but if it was,59% of Fox viewers apparently would,and you know that's a stretch
Czuch: Artful Dodger: Guys, it was a simple question,you and I both know Obama isn't getting the support of 59% of Fox viewers towards a liberal agenda,it's success or failure as President they were knowingly voting for.
Czuch: For a President to "succeed" he would be doing well.Hannity himself says he hopes Obama "succeeds" There is no way Fox would get a 59% Yes vote if it meant his agenda
Czuch: It doesn't sound that complicated.To succeed is to do well for the country,I'm a little shocked that so many Fox viewers hope Obama does not right the ship.Now if it was asking "Do you approve of Obama?" that would be a different story,and different stats I would think coming from Fox
Sujet: Re: Here is a pretty good list for all the doubters out there
Czuch: It's sad when politicians lose sight of the fact reporters are there to report to the people.Thomas asked him questions he didn't like,so Bush basically thumbed his nose to the people wanting those answers.
Sujet: Re: Here is a pretty good list for all the doubters out there
Czuch: I thought it was pretty classless for Bush to snub Helen Thomas in his final press conf today.At 88 she is the dean of White House reporters,he ignored her raised hand,.........stay classy GW
Sujet: Re:hat you bomb the **** out of them until they cry uncle
(V): Opinions in Israel are generally split many ways,that's what you get when you have as large a number of political parties as they do.They are surprisingly united on this stance though,not totally united,but far more than split.
Sujet: Re:hat you bomb the **** out of them until they cry uncle
(V): I think when you're a country that has been under attack may times by multiple contries at the same time,sometimes at a 10-1 ratio of manpower,you're entitled to be "naughty" once in awhile.Did you hear about the latest in Italy?
Sujet: Bush plunked former Aussie PM John Howard in Blair House,and bumped Obama to a hotel?
I guess it would be too much to ask Howard to move to a 6 star hotel,much better diss'ing the incoming President,and spending loads of cash turning the hotel Obama is staying in into an armed security installation,.....stay classy GW
Sujet: Re:How can they take some land if no-one gives it to them?
(V): The Palestinians need representation that is supported,too many(Hamas) would be out of a job if peace and a resolution is achieved.Some think that's the same reason we've yet to find a cure for cancer.There is more money in managing the disease,as opposed to curing it.
Sujet: Re:How can they take some land if no-one gives it to them?
(V): It's rather simple actually.Stop terrorist activities and acknowledge Israel's right to exist.That's a good start point to any negotiation with another party,it's called "negotiating in good faith",been done for centuries.
(V): It's pretty disgusting how Hamas fires rockets (that they know will be traced by the Israeli army) from schools and hospitals.Cowardly also applies,but life is cheap to them,and they know their propoganda(and this human shield warfare technique) will be swallowed hook line and sinker by many.We can only hope that pressure is placed upon Hamas by the people of Gaza,and the international community,to both stop firing rockets into Israel(they hit a kindergarten yesterday,thank God Israelis are keeping their children home from school) and using the people of Gaza as shields,knowing full well that their fire will be returned to the source.The situation is very sad
Charles Martel: Israel is far from perfect in their handling of the Palestinian issue,many mistakes have been made,some real head shakers,but you can't make peace with someone who doesn't acknowledge your right to exist,and wants you dead,that's a real deal breaker.This "war" is understandable though,no country should be expected to turn a blind eye to being bombed daily.
Charles Martel: The settlements will be dismantled if (and when) a agreed upon resolution is made.When was this land taken by Israel? during wars? and who started these wars?
I doubt if I lost my money in a casino,that the casino would happily return it.You take your chances in war,they lost.
Sujet: Re: Re It paints a false picture of the real story.
(V): I'm aware of the history,but I do agree that other Arab countries pay mostly lip service to the Palestinian issue.Hamas doesn't want a resolution,that alone is a deal breaker.
Artful Dodger: It reminds me of when I would fight with my sister when we were kids.If I started the fight I would be forced to apologise,if my sister started it,we both got repremanded.Israel is in a no win situation,they are expected to take their daily bombings,and smile.Hamas should be blamed for bringing this onto the Palestinian civilians.
Artful Dodger: Obama speaks best when he uses a "sing song" cadance,stuttering is often treated by using an amped down version of that delivery.I find his conversational style weak
Artful Dodger: What Nixon did is pretty minor,he just got caught.,People were just far more niave then,and much less cynical.To some it was as shocking as the time they learned Santa didn't.........nevermind
Sujet: Re: libs are so afraid of conservatives that they feel like they need to slant their news stories and warp our minds just to make liberalism more tolerable.
Czuch: I remember fairly recently seeing O'Reilly feature cross dressers invading a church in San Fran seeking comunion.The story was framed in such a way as to make it much more extreme than the reality of the situation dictated.I can only imagine what a 24/7 Fox viewer thinks of anyone not Republican,and the same for a 24/7 viewer of MSNBC
Sujet: Re: libs are so afraid of conservatives that they feel like they need to slant their news stories and warp our minds just to make liberalism more tolerable.
(V): I agree,it's not wise to make decisions without hearing both sides of an argument
Artful Dodger: Wallace has really improved,I think he values the respect of his peers.They are not replacing Colmes with a liberal counter, Beckel handles Hannity well,he'd be perfect.
Other than Hannity, Fox has removed some of the harder edge,but that's a logical move considering the shift in the political scene.
Artful Dodger: I'd say that Fox reporters get more than their share of praise when they show balance.Carl Cameron and Shepard Smith have been praised for their objectivity often in the last few months,and rightly so.