Inspired by yesterdays brawl.. which btw was a lot of fun.

And getting used to using html to create links to addresses... takes up a lot less space.

(V): A real part of the law where? In the UK, in the US? Some laws here are federal, they apply to everyone... everyone in the US. Then there are laws that are different from state to state, and even local laws that may differ from state law due to special circumstances.

By the way, I was wrong about how many questions you were asking. You weren't just juggling apples and oranges, you were juggling apples oranges and bananas.

(V): "It just seems a shame that someone can't answer a straight forward hypothetical question."

You were asking two hypothetical questions. I answered both of them. I wasn't dodging the questions, you were dodging the answers.

(V): Iamon lyme: "You don't know!! Is that why you won't answer a simple question?"

"I don't know" was the answer to your simple question.

Figure it out. If I knew, that would mean I had paid for damaging merchandise. I don't go running through stores like a bull in a china shop, so it doesn't happen.

(V): "Eg.... If you walk into a shop you are then automatically under contract to pay for any goods you damage or break in there.

But, what do you pay? The price on the tag??"


I don't know, but I'll bet the shopkeepers in your area can see you coming a mile away.

Artful Dodger: "Lemon Lime, if you buy a new watch and [disturbing visual imagery]... Does any of this make sense?"

It sure does make sense. And I'm all for helping accident prone people, as long as I can do it from a safe distance.

(V): "So in Conservative land.... If you buy faulty goods. For example a chain saw from a shop. It then when you use it malfunctions and causes you to lose an eye.

You'll just say "buyer beware"..

"It's a simple question."


Fair enough. I'll try to keep my answer simple.

No, you say "buyer beware" before you buy the chain saw. Not after.

Then, when you go to use the chain saw, anyone seeing you should run away very fast.

(V): "For example a chain saw from a shop. It then when you use it malfunctions and causes you to lose an eye."

You should probably stay home and not touch things that can hurt you.

(V): ".... Your not one for surrendering your rights are you? You just let businesses walk all over you if they mislead you!!"

You are missing the point. I don't let businesses walk all over or mislead me. That's the whole point of "let the buyer beware". I haven't had to exercise my right to sue because I don't let myself get ripped off.

I have better things to do than to keep myself busy getting justice for being ripped off after making stupid decisions. Another way of saying 'let the buyer beware' is let the buyer be aware.

Artful Dodger: "What??? Are you crazy???! Have you lost your mind???!!!"

That's old news. I didn't even know it was missing until I went looking for it about 20 years ago. I think one of my kids took it.

(V): "Even those with no law degrees or just plain 'dumb'?"

Especially for those with no law degrees or just plain 'dumb'.

It's a simple rule of thumb almost anyone can understand. I say 'almost' because some don't want to understand it... personal responsibility is for other people, not for them.

(V): It doesn't just mean you should read the fine print. The idea is that the buyer is expected to exercise at least a modicum of personal fiscal responsibility.

Artful Dodger: I know that a fact sheet in the front pages of one of his own books says he was born in another country. What's the lastest scoop on this.. as if after almost 4 years anyone really cares anymore.

MissDelish: Exactly. And if there is any doubt then don't buy. Signing on with credit card companies is especially bad, because until you get it all paid off they 'own' you.

(V): "...Are YOU owed??"

caveat emptor

Homeland Security lets states access immigration database to aid voter purge

July 18, 2012

The Department of Homeland Security is opening up its immigration database to several battleground states that want to identify and kick off non-citizens from their voter registration rolls, NPR reported.

Homeland Security initially denied Florida's request to access the database, arguing it would violate voting rights laws, before a federal judge sided with Florida and forced DHS to open the database. Florida, Colorado, Nevada and other battleground states may soon start using the data to purge legal immigrants who have not yet become citizens from the rolls.

Florida notified 2,700 people--60 percent of them Hispanic--that their voter registration would be automatically revoked if they didn't prove their citizenship. The Florida officials relied on a state database that had out-of-date citizenship information, and most of the people contacted by reporters on the list have proven or stated their citizenship, according to the Miami Herald. Voting rights groups have criticized the purge for happening so close to the election, which gives people removed in error little time to re-register. Some Democrats argue the purges and voter ID laws intentionally discourage minority voters who tend to vote Democratic, but supporters argue that they're a necessary way to prevent voter fraud.

(V): "Mcdonalds has a lot to answer for regarding the obesity problem."

I blame McDonnalds for my weight problem. I never go there, but it's all their fault... I blame Bush too.

"The use of sweat shops, child labour deaths?"

So in other words, you support sweat shops that contribute to child labour deaths because you don't make your own clothes?

"Asbestos? The NHBC 10 year guarantee being worthless??"

You choose to live in substandard housing..

"...internet easiness was invented by someone working at CERN. IE a government paid scientist."

And today he single handedly runs all the businesses involved in making internet access available to you.


Did some kid build a computer in his garage and then give it to you?

"No I built it."

And you built all the parts and components from scratch, from rocks and dirt. And from tree branches and twigs you hand carved using a knife you made from raw iron ore heated by a fire you made from rubbing two sticks together. No evil business made anything you used to build your own computer. You even built a running wheel to generate your own electricity.

(V): "I'm still waiting for a list from a conservative on this board on what we can blame on businesses."

You can blame them for the food you eat.
You can blame them for the clothes you wear.
You can blame them for the materials and labor that went into making your home.
You can blame them for your computer and for easy access to the internet. (I blame them for that)

Those are just a few examples. There's plenty of blame to go around, and no end to the products and services we can complain about.


By the way, do you grow your own food and make your own clothes? Did you build your own home and do you generate your own electricity? Did some kid build a computer in his garage and then give it to you?

(V): How does paying hefty money settlements translate into them being "allowed to rip people off"? You make it sound as though they got away with it.

The only real point you can make here is that some people will try to cheat and get away with it. Is that really such a big surprise?

(V): "As money makers they are allowed to rip people off."

"LG Display.. to pay $380m"
"Samsung paid $240m"
"Toshiba is to pay $21m"
"AU Optronics is to pay $170m."

You posted these facts, not me.

25 January 2012, New York

After today’s decision by the Federal Reserve to maintain the target fed funds rate at zero to 25 basis points, Swiss Re’s Chief Economist, Kurt Karl, commented: “Weak economic activity, moderating inflation and fiscal tightening will keep the Fed on hold through mid-2013, perhaps longer.”

Karl added: “Since last summer, the US economic prospects have proved to be resilient to the euro debt crisis. Growth continues, though still at a fairly moderate pace. Headline consumer price inflation has eased from 3.9% year-over-year in September to 3.0% in December. Fiscal stimulus will be weaker this year than in 2011, so growth is unlikely to accelerate substantially this year. Nevertheless, vehicle sales and residential construction, particularly of multi-family homes, will support growth this year. The euro debt crisis, coupled with Operation Twist, has bolstered demand for long-term Treasuries. In addition, the new set of forecasts from the FOMC members should help calm markets and provide guidance on expected future Fed policies. As a consequence, we have lowered our forecast of yields on the 10-year Treasury note to 2% - 2.5% by end-2012."

He continued: “In Europe, further steps continue to be taken to contain the crisis and stabilize the situation. This has been, encouragingly, sufficient to lower yields on Italian and Spanish government bonds from recent peaks. However, the problems are far from solved and it will take more time to implement needed structural and fiscal reforms. Despite some improvements, the Euro Area is most likely currently in recession. In the UK, fiscal policies continue to restrain growth and a mild recession now looks likely. On the other hand, Japan’s economy is recovering from the tsumani, so will support the global economy this year with real GDP growth of 2.2%. China's recent shift to expansionary monetary policy may have already begun to pay off, with Q4 growth a bit stronger than expected. Growth this year is expected to be 8.5%, lower than last year, but still robust.”

Artful Dodger: "someone is very clever!"

Oh, you mean the painting of a kid looking up at a "spaceship"! I thought it was clever too. It's in the same style as the old Norman Rockwell paintings.

Artful Dodger: I can't take all the credit. Without (V)s insightful comments and pinpoint analysis I would have nothing to work with.

http://slacktory.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/drunk-baby-I-got-your-nose.jpg

(V): "Hallelujah!! .... was it a vision from the aliens??"

http://i.imgur.com/HCiwS.jpg

Artful Dodger:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/Nitro2k/R5iKrONSvXI/AAAAAAAAAuo/YssYRwfQl9E/s400/1002.jpg

(V): "So is this finally an admission that you can't blame the government for everything."

Artful Dodger
28. June 2012, 11:08:10
Iamon lyme: All our troubles can be traced right back to the government.

So is this finally an admission that you believe AD and I are the same person? As I recall you appealed to the Mods to make us stop talking about it.

(V): "So is this finally an admission that you can't blame the government for everything."

Where did I say the government can be blamed for everything?

(V): "I'm sorry that you have to use the "big money" 'act'."

I didn't have to, but since you are so fond of ragging on and on against big business and greed and such, I thought I'd get in on the 'act' too.

"..you da man.."

If you say so.

"Can you stop trying to pettifog?"

Why, am I not doing it right?

Artful Dodger: (V) read me the feminist manifesto riot act from the 1970's. It's a bit outdated.

Abortion is big business and that means big money, so (V) can rest easy... the days of back alley abortions are a thing of the past. And all thanks to greed that argues in favor of convenience.

(V): "...you tell all women that they have to live by your rules!!"

That's a lot of women. Can you be more specific?

(V): "...the foetus has to 'trick' the hosts immune system to not kill it."

Not a perfect ploy if the foetus can't trick the host itself into not killing it.

(V): ".. they can't survive without their host for 9 months. As such the mechanics are that the foetus has to 'trick' the hosts immune system to not kill it."

http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-baby-alien-movie.jpg

(V): "...women had control over their bodies for the first time, now it's time to strike back at the women and tell them again that they are mainly just baby machines? That is sick."

Yes (V), women are just baby making machines. Men are just the human biological mechanics that keep those machines in working order. And working together, like a race car and pit crew, they are able to spit out one human biological machine after another... pooping and crying, and crying and pooping, day after day after day after day.

(V): "To worry more about living children is absurd?"

No, it's absurd when you imply pre-aborted babies are not alive. Using your own logic, why would you worry about the "5 kids lost each day to Child abuse" instead of the kids who are still alive?

Artful Dodger:

http://cl.jroo.me/z3/T/n/e/d/a.aaa.jpg

Artful Dodger: If this goes to trial, can you imagine the judge keeping a straight face? I think Maus should keep the money. It was Soupolos idea in the first place, he talked Maus into it...

Three evenings a week for six months, and now Soupy wants his money back. No way.

(V): "I'd be more worried about the living ones..."

That's absurd.How many dead babies do you think are killed by abortions? Abortion IS child abuse.

Artful Dodger: This was my usual reaction to someone if they suggested we abort one of our babies...

http://justjacqui2.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/angry-baby-750837.jpg

You'd be surprised how often this was suggested, and for no other reason than for our own "convenience".

Current Population Clock
World 7,025,477,767
04:38 UTC (EST+5) Jul 11, 2012

Over a hundred thousand new people since yesterday.

(V): 313,917,341 is US population.

World population is 7,025,368,983. five billion is smaller than that, but not by much.

16:16 UTC (EST+5) Jul 10, 2012