SMIRF Engine:
Thanks for remarks. Writing a chess program is a heavy project , thanks to Smirf, Zillion and ChessV I have found many bugs in it and its
little and bigger brothers. Fereshte and the grand chess program are now stable when running without hashtable.
when using hashtable, I had crashes outside IDE with release version of them but they are not repeatable , it doesn't crash when I follow that line.

It's a strange program, sometimes plays good moves, another time misses a simple pawn fork :-)

sorry , programming is just a hobby for me, I was wasting processor power with unnecessary renders, a few lines solved it , you can also free it by opening load/save windows :-)

I liked to use the same numbering but couldn't guess the routine of smirf, many thanks if I can have it.

direct link:
http://home.ripway.com/2005-10/493246/chess/Fereshte08.zip

or
http://home.ripway.com/2005-10/493246/chess/index.html

it's a 553KB file, program runs with 64MB RAM and DX7 or better

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Fereshte 08"]
[Black "Smirf 1.1.3 Beta"]
[Result "1-0"]
[FEN "crkbaqnnbr/pppppppppp/10/10/10/10/PPPPPPPPPP/CRK
BAQNNBR w KQkq - 0 1"]

1.c3 e6 2.a3 d5 3.h3 h5
4.d3 Bg6 5.Nf3 Nh6 6.Ne5
Bh7 7.e3 i6 8.g4 f6 9.
Nf3 hxg4 10.hxg4 Cb6 11.
Ni3 j5 12.b4 j4 13.Ng2
Nxg4 14.Bf4 Nh6 15.Ac2
j3 16.ixj3 g5 17.Bg3 Nf5
18.Bh2 Rxj3 19.Ab3 Ad7
20.Kb2 Nd6 21.Rh1 Qg7
22.Bi3 Ab5 23.Bc2 Ne4
24.dxe4 Axf1 25.Rbxf1
dxe4 26.Nd4 Bg8 27.Bxe4
Ng6 28.Nf5 Qi5 29.Nh6 f5
30.Nxf5 a5 31.bxa5 Cb5
32.Nd4 Ce5 33.f3 Nf8 34.
Bh2 Cd7 35.Rd1 g4 36.Nc2
gxf3 37.Rxd7 Nxd7 38.
Bxf3 Rxj2 39.Cd1 Nc5 40.
Ac4 Qf8 41.Bf4 Ra8 42.
Nd4 Qg7 43.Kc1 Qf8 44.
Rf1 Qe7 45.Nf5 exf5 46.
Axg8 Qe8 47.Ad5 Qf8 48.
Ac4 Ra6 49.Bd5 Rj5 50.
Cb2 Qf6 51.Be5 Qh6 52.
Nf4 i5 53.Cb5 Rc6 54.
Bxc6 Qxc6 55.Cxc5 Rj6
56.Cxc6 Rxc6 57.Ad3 Ra6
58.Rj1 Bg5 59.Rg1 Kb8
60.Rxg5 Rxa5 61.Rg8+ Ka7
62.Bxc7 b6 63.Ac4 Kb7
64.Bxb6 Ra4 65.Rg7+ Ka8
66.Ad5+ Kb8 67.Rg8# 1-0

Any interest in testing a CRC program? if so I may upload it somewhere

SMIRF Engine: What is the real number of start positions?
in FRC I like to select the number myself, seems in CRC I should discard illegals myself.

SMIRF Engine: Sorry, I didn't know the rule about queen and archbishop, so calculated possible start position to be 84000
I thought 48000 is number of valid starts, my first manual selection (760) was illegal

considering this rule : All pawns must be protected by a friendly piece at the start position

isn't the start position '760' of SMIRF illegal? pawn 'e' isn't protected

Isn't a R+N piece a big difference?

I should have the right too choose a name for that

What about a change in rules: you can't castle queen side if b1/b8 is under attack
A new game or it's under patent also?

Chessmaster1000:
Thanks for prize and the nice brain exercise

Thanks to chessmaster I discovered that I like extinction chess
Now I should sleep :-)

Q1:
part1:
1.e3 j5 2. Cd3 Rj6 3. Qf3 Rg6 4. Cf4 h6 5. Cxg6#

part2:
1. f3 a5 2. Cd3 Ra6 3. Cf4 Rg6 4. Ad4 h6 5. Ab3 f6 6. Cxg6#

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Q2:
1.Bb1 f5 2.Ka4 h5 3.Ka3 h4 4.Ka2 f4 5.Ka1 h2 6.Ba2 h3 7.Kb1 f5 8.Kc1 Ka8 9.Kd1 Kb7 10.Bb1 Ka8 11.Ke1 Kb7 12.Kf1 Ka8 13.Kf2 Kb7 14.Ke1 (the point is to make a triangle to lose a turn) Ka8 15.Kd1 Kb7 16.Kc1 Ka8 17.Ba2 Kb7 18.Kb1 Ka8 19.Ka1 Kb7 20.Bb1 Ka8 21.Ka2 Kb7 22.Ka3 Ka8 23.Ka4 Kb7 24.Ka5 Kc8 (24..,Ka8 25.Ka6 any 26.b7#) 25.Ka6 f2 26.b7+ Kd7 27.b8Q f1Q 28.Qxe5
I hope that black is in a mate trap eg: 28..,Qxh1 29.Qxf5+ Ke8 30.Qg6+ Kd8 31.Bb6+ Ke7 32.Bc5+ Kd8 33.Qd6+ Kc8 34.Qe6+ Kb8 35.Bd6+ Ka8 36.Qg8#
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Q3:
1.Rd6
A)1..,Bxd6 2.exd6 (threat:3.Bxc5 and double attack to queen and king)
a1) 2..,Kd7 3.f5 Bh7 (or Bxf5) 4.Bxf7 Nf6 5.Bg5 (and 6.capturesN)
a2)2..,Qa7 (or Qd8) 3.f5 Bxf5(or Bh7 ) 4.Bxf7 Kxf7 5.Qc4 (and black loses king or knight or bishop in next move)
a3)2..,Qc6 3.Bb5
a4)2..Kd8 same as a1 but in last move it’s possible to play 5..,Nd7 6.BxK
a5)2..Kf8 3.f5 Bxf5 [3..,Bh7 4.Qxh5 5.QxB(or N)] 4.Bxf7 Nf6 (or Kxf7) 5.Qf3 and 6.QxB(or K or N)
a6)2..,Be4 3.Bxc5

B)1..,Rc6 2.Rxg6 (threat:3.Bxf7 Kxf7 4.Qc4 Re6 5.Bxc5 and 6.captures Q or B)
b1)2..,Rxg6 3.Bxc5 and 4.captures Q or B)
b2)2..,Kd7(d8) 3.Bxf7 and 4.captures N

C)1..,Qc7 2.Rxg6 (two threats: 3.Rxg7 Nh6 4.Qxh5 and 3.Bxf7 Kxf7 4.Qc4)
c1)2..,Bd8 3.Rxg7 Ne7 4.Rd1 and 5.captures N or Q or B
c2)2..Bf8 3.Bxc5 and 4.captures N or Q or B or K
c3)2..Bh4 3.g3 Bd8 4.Rd1 Be7 5.Bxf7 Kxf7 6.Qc4 and 7.captures K or N (the longest line)

D)1..Qa7 same as (C) but black queen doesn’t defend f7 after Bishop’s moves so one of two threats win.
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Q4:
1.Bc7 Qxc8 (1..,Nxc7 2.gxf7+ Kf8 3.Qxc7) 2.gxf7+ Kh8 (2..,Kf8 3.Bd6#) 3.Be5 (4.Ke7#) Qc5 [3..,h6(h5) 4.Kg6#; 3..,Qf8 4.Ke6+ Qg7 5.f8Q#; 3..,Qc6+ 4.Ke7+;3..Qb8 4.Bxb8; 3..Qd8+ 4.Ke6+ ; 3..Qa6 4.Ke7+; 3..,Qf5+ 4.Kxf5#]
4.Bb2 Nc7 5.Ba1 a4 6.Bb2 a3 7.Ba1 a2 8.Bb2 a1Q 9.Bxa1 Qa3 10.Kf5+ Qxa1 11.f8Q#

(9..,Qa5 10.f8Q#; 9..,h6(h5) 10.Kg6+ Qe5 11.Bxe5# ; 9..,Nd5+ 10.Ke6+ Nc3 11.Bxc3+ Qxc3 12.f8Q# ; 9..,Ne8+ 10.fxe8Q+ Qf8+ 11.Qxf8#; 9..,Qf2+ Ke7+ 10.Qf6 Bxf6#)

Chessmaster1000:

Well, then I use this way, I don't think I can solve Q3, but I work on Q2.
Thanks for Q4, it was very exciting.

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Q1:
part1:
1.e3 j5 2. Cd3 Rj6 3. Qf3 Rg6 4. Cf4 h6 5. Cxg6#

part2:
1. f3 a5 2. Cd3 Ra6 3. Cf4 Rg6 4. Ad4 h6 5. Ab3 f6 6. Cxg6#
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Q4:
1.Bc7 Qxc8 (1..,Nxc7 2.gxf7+ Kf8 3.Qxc7) 2.gxf7+ Kh8 (2..,Kf8 3.Bd6#) 3.Be5 (4.Ke7#) Qc5 [3..,h6(h5) 4.Kg6#; 3..,Qf8 4.Ke6+ Qg7 5.f8Q#; 3..,Qc6+ 4.Ke7+;3..Qb8 4.Bxb8; 3..Qd8+ 4.Ke6+ ; 3..Qa6 4.Ke7+; 3..,Qf5+ 4.Kxf5#]
4.Bb2 Nc7 5.Ba1 a4 6.Bb2 a3 7.Ba1 a2 8.Bb2 a1Q 9.Bxa1 Qa3 10.Kf5+ Qxa1 11.f8Q#

(9..,Qa5 10.f8Q#; 9..,h6(h5) 10.Kg6+ Qe5 11.Bxe5# ; 9..,Nd5+ 10.Ke6+ Nc3 11.Bxc3+ Qxc3 12.f8Q# ; 9..,Ne8+ 10.fxe8Q+ Qf8+ 11.Qxf8#; 9..,Qf2+ Ke7+ 10.Qf6 Bxf6#)

Chessmaster1000:

Q1:
part1:
1.e3 j5 2. Cd3 Rj6 3. Qf3 Rg6 4. Cf4 h6 5. Cxg6#

part2:
1. f3 a5 2. Cd3 Ra6 3. Cf4 Rg6 4. Ad4 h6 5. Ab3 f6 6. Cxg6#

There is a difference between Server-based (e.g. brainking) and correspondence (e.g. ICCF) chess. If I play with someone under ICCF rules why can't I post/fax/email him 1.e5?
On brainking, server doesn't let me.
There is no mention of that on ICCF rules. NO , there is , it refers me to FIDE rules. FIDE rules explicitly mention how to move a pawn.
What about using a chess engine? why the rule 4.3 is valid but 12.2 isn't?
I don't say there is a way to solve that problem. I just want to say if I use a chess engine in ICCF games , I'm a Cheater, acting against their principle philosophy.

Ok schachdmt, that was my last post about this :)
I left IECG.org because I don't like this kind of chess. And no way to solve it, but they are CHEATERS.

So they should mention it separately in their rules that what is cheating what is not.
Now anybody who doesn't find it in their rules should search in FIDE rules!
I see it against their principle philosophy (Amici Sumus ) , if I play with someone who I think dosen't use a chess engine but he does.
Unfortuanetly I don't know German :(
I can't find a rule about that on brainking also.

The ICCF rules refer us to FIDE rules. It just defines time controle, move transmission,...
So the EE101-12.2 rule of FIDE is as valid as the rule of how knight moves.

12.2 During play the players are forbidden to make use of any notes, sources of information, advice, ...

Also a tournament director's job is to decide about lying and CHEATING. If any help is OK so what is cheating?

I was one of those who sent PM to remove Walter. As much as I remember after some of first anti-patent messages , Ed insisted to discuss it via private messages but Walter continued it in public. The result was that instead of some nice analysis of Gothic Chess (no doubt Ed is the best player here), we had lots of discuss about law. I think this DB is for chess students not law students.
So the job of moderator was to cut it at first as Ed insisted, but sadly it was moderator who started and continued it.
Please , solve your problems privately , or in the real world.

Two different things, when I play online chess some people cheat , they can give it enough time and with a little intelligence of their own, anti-computer play doesn't work.
I dislike to play with a computer because it doesn't have soul. I can't talk with it, its tactic is perfect, we can't get drunk and play all the night :)

There are many different people who enjoys chess in different ways. I'm just an old man who regret old days when there was no computer. Now I can't tolerate clock pressure in OTB games and want to enjoy CC. But unfortuanetly chess engines spoil it.
As you called a tool (which is more valuable for me than an engine) a copper edition , I said to release it free , just a joke :)

I enjoy GothicChess and fortuanetly have found some old friends to play it.
Again Thanks Mr. Trice for inventing it and your hard effort on a silicon monster (although I hate engines)

Oh my god, I wish I was a programmer, I wait for a (non free) copper edition,please release it :)

Yes, Something like chessbase is a very useful tool. It could be free if you like :)

Is it possible to unload the engine? Sometimes it's hard to not use it when it's available with just one click. I keep my chess engines including Fritz8 in a seperate place named mind viruses :)

What about a database program without the engine (and a little cheaper) ?

I like GothicChess very much , thanks Mr. Trice.

Is there such a program like chessbase for gothic chess?