Fencer: I notice the same thing from my work PC (behind a company firewall) as well as from my home PC (standard broadband connection) - so it must be something either in my account data in the database, or with BrainKing itself...

WhiteTower: Nothing of that. What I log to your accout, everything works correctly.

Fencer: OK, but that means that either I am lying or that you are not willing to investigate this. I am not lying - we could have something like a VNC connection or a NetMeeting session so that I show you. Therefore, you are not willing to investigate. Can you think of other alternatives?

WhiteTower: if you want you can change your password and let someone else login to your account

i am willing to test it for you if you want me to do it (if you want to be secure you send fencer a pm with the time you changed the password, and then he can always turn moves back when i would make a move in your account .. but i wouldnt)

Hrqls: if somebody has an x-server so that he can try it remote-logon he can do it. i can offer him only a linux shell (but in which he can test in lynx the pages).

I think the problem is the computer (NOT fencer or BK). In the problem about the logo (posted here, http://mec.tuwien.ac.at/ ) the problem was only ONE PC (which is the same as mine, from the same image and so on ...).

chessmec: In case you didn't read my earlier message, I said that the same problem appears from two COMPLETELY different PCs, setup-wise and connection-wise, therefore it is NOT a problem from MY side, but either an account or a BrainKing problem - unless you can logically find a third alternative...

WhiteTower: To verify your presumptions you will have to test the case NOT in your next area.
If you are able to reproduce the whole on a PC far away from here (in a shell, remote X or VNC) then we can assume a bk problem.

But fencer tried your account at himself ... and he said all is ok. So what?

My son just LOVES this screensaver

http://www.cleanscreen.info/SS.html - on this page you have to e-mail the creator and he will send you a link. Donationware - meaning if you like it, he would like a donation - but other then that it is free

Oh, and you can check out the web version here (without getting a screensaver.)

http://www.cleanscreen.info/

Fencer: Hi Fencer, this is playBunny logged in as WhiteTower. I'm accessing this account from London whereas WhiteTower is in Ireland, so presumably I'm using a different routing infrastructure. Certainly it's a different computer! And I'm on Windows 2000 Pro. I don't know what WhiteTower's OSes at home and work are.

I can confirm that the same pages are giving the same problem. What appears in View Source is [!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"-HTML-HEAD-META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1250"-/HEAD-BODY-/BODY-/HTML] for Internet Explorer and simply [html-body-/body-/html] for Firefox.

All other pages work fine, as did the dozen games that I challenged myself (ie. playBunny) to and resigned as WhiteTower. Mwaahaahaahaaaaaaa. ;-))

It's a puzzler. :-/

WhiteTower: Wait a minute. Maybe I found something.

Fencer: Thank you, now all three offending pages are happily full of the information they were supposed to have :)

As a software engineer myself (on a sabbatical right now) I'd raise your adrenaline a bit in order to get things fixed, rather than shut up when I am sure there's something obviously wrong outside my control ;) If you wouldn't mind, and just out of sheer curiosity, what was the problem after all? And would the solution to this problem prevent others from having it in the future?

playBunny: I can host it. Let me some days - on the server are some websites and I must configure him ... beside working.

playBunny: Sorry, playBunny, the circumstances here at BK are not helpful for my mood to set up a wiki about brainking on my server.

I have a problem w/ my messenger & don't know what to do about it...I tried at least 6 times to change my password & after each time I gave 1 day before I tried to log into it (for my Hotmail account)& keep getting that I was logging in to much. Would I have to completely delete everything related to it or should I have to reboot? I can still get into my Hotmail but not the messenger part.

I thought most people are avoiding MSN messenger.
there are ones with much better features.
and the fact that MSN messenger permanently leaves a port open makes it easy for spyware & viruses to get in.
I learned the hardway.then I reviewed tham all.I am using ICQ now,esp since it recently has new features:
buddy list can be imported from other messengers
messenger games

but my google lab buddies tell me googles new messenger leaves them all behind.
I havent checked it out yet.

nobleheart: I have alot of friends & family who are still on webtv & this is mostly the only thing that works unless I'm mistaken. I do have messenger from Yahoo however. I'm wondering would Googles new messenger be capable w/ webtv?

nobleheart: Took me a while to find it
http://www.google.com/talk/
Looks like all the other chat progs. Anyone on here using it now?

Rose :
I was oing to test drive it,nusy with java stuff right now.
MagicDragon :
does it work on webtv?? dont know,few things do.webtv is so limited( no java)

nobleheart: I've got it installed, if anyone wants to try it out lemme know. I like that it connects to my gmail for me too!

playBunny: yes playbunny,I know this but the Marauder.860.B and some of the new variants of the melissa class viruses make use of patching into this.
also the Marauder.860.B trailblazes for 2 spybots.
as I said,I learned the hard way.

Rose: google is planning on expanding into many services but 1st analyzing services & creating "one that does it all.

nobleheart: I don't know if it works for webtv. I've gotten a computer since March

Marauder.860,I know that damn name.that virus I caould not quanantine or delete,scred up my computer so bad I had to refornat my hard drive

nobleheart:
I dont know anyone "avoiding" MSN.
I have been using MSN messenger for 7yrs and NEVER had a problem. But then again, I keep my anti virus and firewall up to date. And all my received foles are scanned (as are my outgoing ones)

I'm 99.9% sure that its also the only one that works for webtv as they "were" the same provider. *Microsoft*

This is an awesome program.
http://www.paltalk.com/PalTalkSite/download.html


And U can add all your messenger buddies from the other programs.

It's interesting to see in our logs and stats that some people still use MS Internet Explorer 3.0, Firefox 0.1 or Netscape 3.0 to access BrainKing. I wonder if they ever heard about a security.

I know that I have set my security on high & every other day I do a complete scan of all my files & delete my temporary files as well

MagicDragon: I meant that old and outdated browsers are usually full of bugs and security holes. It's not recommended to use them.

Oh I see...When I had the MSN messenger working, it always signs me off automatically & vise versa..never had any problems w/ it. It was a 7.0 & now I have 7.5 messenger

nobleheart: I downloaded it.. but, need to have someone send me an invite to get a gmail..

I got an ICQ to talk to you Steve, but actually I prefer my Yahoo messenger.. I know my way around Yahoo way better..

Fencer: Could be some outdated, but still working 486s that can't go any higher than that :)

WhiteTower: Ha! You may be right :-)

As an instant messenger, I like trillian. You can hook up with Yahoo, AOL(AIM), ICQ, MSN & IRC, and the basic version is free.
ceruleanstudios.com

ScarletRose: Just send me a PM with the email address you want a gmail invite sent to. Others can too.

Fencer: I just retired my 486 a few months ago. I got the computer used in 1995. Though I usually just used AOL's browser I did have NetScpae 4.08 on it. This was from before NetScape went out of business because of Microsoft adding their browser to their Windows program. I think AOL ending up buying NetScape and released a 6.0 version (Skipping the 5.0 series of numbers), but I don't know if NetScape as owned by them is around any more.
That old computer is why I started playing on turned based sites. I couldn't keep up on live sites against newer computers and broadband. Having this new computer sure makes it a lot easier to play here now. Pages load lots faster. If I ever go back to the DSL or another broadband set up, I'm sure that will really get me some fast loading.

Fencer: Those 386/486s are PERFECT for Linux experimenting, aren't they? :) I mean, you just CAN'T have all the luxuries of modern GUIs there, so you're forced into some pretty hardcore stuff :)

WhiteTower: A 80286 in my work is a little desktop - above the monitor. At this computer I am making the DOS-Past real life :-)

Walter Montego: Netscape 8 is the latest version, and yes, I think it's still owned by AOL.

Summertop: Thankies.. Volant sent me an invite earlier.. I wanna check out the IM.. hehehe

ScarletRose: you can only get a Gmail account by invite...for now.I will invite you.
I am check 1st with you,tell me which email you want the invite sent to.
as soon as you reply to this question by message to me,I will sent out the invite.

I am familiar with yahoo too..I still have sereval yahoo art groups.

Arctic Warrior: re :And U can add all your messenger buddies from the other programs.
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yes true,most of the messengers are adding that function

playBunny: Thanks if it works 8^)
I'll have to wait until I close out my browser, which I have too many tabs open now to do so. But if it does, YIPPIE! I have MOST my other game sites setup to take me directly to my gamelist, without having those messy logins (I had to play around with my cookies to force some sites, but messing with BK's cookies didn't help ).

playBunny: Yay! Thanks again!

right now i am only on msn (i was on icq before but everyone seems to have gone to msn in the years i wasnt on icq)

i plan to use gaim

as i understand its free and can connect to various various instan messenger networks

i havent tried it yet .. but it sounds promising :)

Hrqls: gaim was designed for linux..best for linux users..but not the best features.
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people please,this is helpful:
whether it is a messenger,website,email or you are shopping for a particular thing or service,or anything.
remeber to search for the subject as well as "online reviews re subject".
just about anysubject" you can think of,there will be reviews/blogs/website/tutorials online were people discuss a subject".dont be afraid to do a little research to find a service.

nobleheart: *nod* i got the link from some unix people indeed :) what features does it miss ?
(there is a windows version now, but i am not sure if it still contains any bugs .. still have to try it out :))

nice search tip! thanks!
(one question about it though, isnt it better to use 'review' in your search instead of 'reviews' ?)

I often in a search use a subject unpluralized..then try it pluralized.
its funny,get get often much diff search results.

Top Signs of Net Addiction
You wake up at 3 a.m. to go to the bathroom and stop to check your e-mail on the way back to bed.
You get a tattoo that reads "This body best viewed with Netscape Navigator 3 or higher."
You name your children Eudora, Mozilla and Dotcom.
You turn off your modem and get this awful empty feeling, like you just pulled the plug on a loved one.
You spend half of the plane trip with your laptop on your lap...and your child in the overhead compartment.
You decide to stay in college for an additional year or two, just for the free Internet access.
You laugh at people with 28,800 modems.
You start using smiley's in your snail mail.
Your hard drive crashes.
You haven't logged in for two hours. You start to twitch.
You pick up the phone and manually dial your ISP's access number.
You try to hum to communicate with the modem. And you succeed.

putting quotes around the word also gets different results :)

New Viruses!
Immediately scan your computer for the following viruses:


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PAT BUCHANAN VIRUS: Your system works fine, but it complains loudly about foreign software.

COLIN POWELL VIRUS: Makes its presence known, but doesn't do anything. Secretly, you wish it would.

HILLARY CLINTON VIRUS: Files disappear, only to reappear mysteriously a year later, in another directory.

O.J. SIMPSON VIRUS: You know it's guilty of trashing your system, but you just can't prove it.

BOB DOLE VIRUS: Could be virulent, but it's been around too long to be much of a threat.

STEVE FORBES VIRUS: All files are reported as the same size.

PAUL REVERE VIRUS: This revolutionary virus does not horse around. It warns you of impending hard disk attack: Once, if by LAN; twice if by C.

POLITICALLY CORRECT VIRUS: Never identifies itself as a "virus," but instead refers to itself as an "electronic micro-organism."

ROSS PEROT VIRUS: Activates every component in your system, just before the whole thing quits.

TED TURNER VIRUS: Colorizes your monochrome monitor.

DAN QUAYLE VIRUS (#2): Their is sumthing rong with your komputer, but ewe t!

GOVERNMENT ECONOMIST VIRUS: Nothing works, but all your diagnostic ware says everything is fine.

NEW WORLD ORDER VIRUS: Probably harmless, but it makes a lot of people really mad just thinking about it.

FEDERAL BUREAUCRAT VIRUS: Divides your hard disk into hundreds of little units, each of which does practically nothing, but all of which claim to be the most important part of your computer.

GALLUP VIRUS: Sixty percent of the PC's infected will lose 30 percent of their data 14 percent of the time (plus or minus a 3.5 percent margin of error).

TEXAS VIRUS: Makes sure that it's bigger than any other file.

ADAM AND EVE VIRUS: Takes a couple bytes out of your Apple.

CONGRESSIONAL VIRUS: The computer locks up, and the screen splits in half with the same message appearing on each side of the screen. The message says that the blame for the gridlock is caused by the other side.

AIRLINE LUGGAGE VIRUS: You're in Dallas, but your data is in Singapore.

FREUDIAN VIRUS: Your computer becomes obsessed with marrying its own motherboard.

PBS VIRUS: Your programs stop every few minutes to ask for money.

ELVIS VIRUS: Your computer gets fat, slow, and lazy, then self destructs, only to resurface at shopping malls and service stations across rural America.

OLLIE NORTH VIRUS: Causes your printer to become a paper shredder.

NIKE VIRUS: Just does it.

SEARS VIRUS: Your data won't appear unless you buy new cables, power supply, and a set of shocks.

JIMMY HOFFA VIRUS: Your programs can never be found again.

KEVORKIAN VIRUS: Helps your computer shut down as an act of mercy. S

TAR TREK VIRUS: Invades your system in places where no virus has gone before.

HEALTH CARE VIRUS: Tests your system for a day, finds nothing wrong, and sends you a bill for $4,500.

GEORGE BUSH VIRUS: It starts by boldly stating, "Read my docs...no new files!" on the screen. It proceeds to fill up all the free space on your hard drive with new files, then blames it on the Congressional virus.

Militia Virus: wipes out your operating system claiming it has no right to control your PC.

Pro-Choice Virus: Although it presents the standard "Abort, Retry, Fail" prompt, it pressures you to choose "Abort", telling you the process being terminated is just "a blob of bits" which has no value.

Lyle And Eric Menendez Virus: wipes out your motherboard, claiming it was done in self-defense.

Bill Clinton Virus: causes your PC to behave unpredictably, working as expected one moment, then suddenly doing the exact opposite the next moment.

Politically Correct Virus: rephrases the "Abort, Retry, Fail" prompt as "Choice, Retry, Success-Impaired".

National Organization of Women (NOW) Virus: forces your PC to recognize its female connections as male connections.

Republican Virus: sells off your system resources to the highest bidder.

Democrat Virus: doesn't allow you to delete inefficient programs or wasted disc space - if you try, it accuses you of being a "mean-spirited extremist".

National Education Assoc. (NEA) Virus: although cleverly disguised as educational software intended to improve your system, in reality it "dumbs down" your 486DX into an 8086.

Jocelyn Elders Virus: teaches your computer to turn itself on.

LAPD Virus: attempts to stop your CPU. If your CPU resists, it is pummeled into hamburger.

Jack Kevorkian Virus: assists your CPU in destroying itself.

Ross Perot Virus: This erratic virus doesn't do much of anything, except surfacing occasionally to threaten to disrupt your system.