Jim Dandy: The problem is - you can't tell that unless you actually are in that area. And it isn't usually area specific. I am on ADSL 3000, but I could easily have the idea to switch to Modem or ISDN or whatever slow connection. Or I could have the same basic connection speed, but maybe my ISP has speed problems in my area from time to time, or let's too many people share bandwidth, or whatever... There are quite a couple of possible reasons for a slow connection to a specific site, and you can't tell unless you try.

Jim Dandy: Maybe if we level off some mountain ranges, knock down (or build up?) some cellphone towers, get rid of those annoying wind-turbine thingees, and somehow calm the Atlantic Ocean just a tad.....

MadMonkey: I noticed something similar with Alquerque and Jarmo boards as well. Every so often the site has been a bit slower, but not very much.

I wish someone knew the answer why it is only a problem for some people. I think knowing that answer would help a lot of people.

It makes sense that it isn't specifically a brainking problem, since not everyone is experiencing the same thing. To me, if it were, everyone would be having the exact same problems. (Or it makes sense to ME anyways.. lol)

I WOULD say that over the last couple of days, it is probably the more graphic intensive pages that have been a bit slower.

srnity: Shhh, I'll PM you about it

Gordon Shumway: Maybe the solution would be to post a disclaimer to those in areas that are most likely to have sub par performance on the site.The lesser quality might be logical,but it should be sold at a discount.

Sooooooooooooo, how do I get on The List?

Andersp: I see... So it's gotta be the white list...

TarantinoFan: I'd like to point out again, that not everybody is having the problems you are talking about. I don't have them, and there are others who don't, and who stated it here right on this board. That doesn't mean no problems exist, but it makes it kind of unlikely, that those problems are on BrainKing's side (since we don't believe in a white list theory, right?). There are many routers and networks involved when the page data is transferred around the world. I just traced it, and my route passes 13 hops, but they are located in just two networks. So my ISP has a pretty decent connection to the ISP of BrainKing, I guess. And maybe yours doesn't. And for you and all the others a striped down version of BrainKing game pages and main page (like suggested by coan.net) might really be a great idea, to cut down the transfer time. I just don't know if cheeky posts are the fastest way to get it

BTW: If there are too many images for you to load - maybe you could turn smileys off to have fewer? Have you checked your browser settings? Does it have enough memory to cache all images so you don't have to load them again with each request? Because usually an image is only loaded once and then read from the cache instead of over the internet from i.brainking.com, and thus shouldn't slow your page loading time down at all.

TarantinoFan: 'ere 'ere

Filip doesn't "Feed the Trolls" he is a troll himself. He never fails to troll through this site for "certain user" posts to respond to.

If the i brainking is taking so long to load doesn't that suggest that maybe there are too many images?

When people from both groups ie: "certain users" and "not you "  are saying the same thing then it would suggest that something needs to be checked somewhere and abuse of the "certain users" groups does not negate the fact that the "not you " group is having the same problems with this site.

Andersp: I have a feeling the press conference is over.

Was my question to difficult Filip? 

Andersp: Due to the disappearance of Action Points, as he explained just two sentences further on. Which makes sense to me...

Fencer: ahhh thanks

No not really, i have the odd smiley that does not show itself, but shows as a group of a few pixels in a block, but apart from that all BK images are fine

Only problem i had yesterday was with the Alquerque board. I know it is large anyway, but for some reason the board once loaded, parts of it looked as if they were not loaded, if that makes sense. Like not completely there.
Is there no way to make smaller Alquerque, Jarmo and Ludo boards ? (yes i know, time lol)

Andersp: LOL

MadMonkey: Sorry. The i.brainking.com server provides all images and the brainking.com is still the BrainKing as we know it - the HTML code and similar things.
Are there any particular images you have a problem with?

Bernice: Better be a honest "Troll" than an a ...oooops!!!!!  cant say that!!

Fencer: At least people know I mean what I say...unlike you....And "simple arguements" are for simple people...you are in your own company

Fencer:

p.s. Did you miss my question, brainking.com & i.brainking.com, what is the difference ?

ChessChampion: Thank you.

Jim Dandy: Every respectable person deserves a respect. Unfortunately it does not apply to Bernice. Hell, I have made this mistake again but sometimes I cannot resist.

Jim Dandy: Maybe a translation of "respect" to Fencers language could be a good idea?

Bernice: Obviously you are not smart enough to understand the simplest arguments. Which is, to my amusement, confirmed by your every post. Keep doing that.

just wanted to say THX 4 da site fencer!!

i could neveerrrr really find many of da chess variants dat i have found here on other sites (i guess i didnt really loook tho cuz of IYT and stuff like that) lol

anyways thanks 2 u and da other important ppl dat have 2 do something w/da site :DD

Fencer: and besides...I paid the money, Im entitled to service...or isnt service part of your user agreement?

Fencer: I'm no psychologist,but people develop an attachment to sites,she's clearly not happy,but she deseves a degree of respect.

Fencer: because I love "giving it to ya" and watching you squirm LOL

You have become expert at it over the past 5-6 years

Gordon Shumway: I just "tested" 3 different Prag sites...all of them were flying....same distance bud :)

Andersp: Yeah... And this slowness is applied to the page transfer from BrainKing only to a certain group of users? What do you think why I don't have those issues? Because I am living relatively "close" to Prague and my ISP obviously has a good connection to CZ, or because I am on a mysterious BrainKing white list of people being serverd promplty?

Fencer: OK, i will except what you say

Just so weird that up to a few days ago the site transfer / loading whatever we call it here was as fast as every pother place.

So my question is, what has changed

Oh yeah, and whats the difference between brainking.com & i.brainking.com ?

Bernice: There is one thing which I absolutely don't understand (and I am definitely not the only one) - what are you still doing on BrainKing? Isn't is a good time to leave the site at last and find another one where they don't know you yet?

Fencer: LOL...and all these bad things only happens to Brain King's transfer?..you are too good Filip!!

Bernice: If you won't stop repeating the same complaints over and over again - will you at least stop shouting?

MadMonkey: Your post is meaningful and you will get the answer (hint, hint!). And, actually, you have answered yourself because you say that the delay happens at the "transferring data from brainking.com" status. Yes, transferring! Not a page generating, no waiting for a response, just transferring of the data containing the web page source. You describe the situation AFTER the page is sent from BrainKing to your browser, not BEFORE. Once again, that's what we cannot resolve because it's not technically possible.
There are always many different possibilities of network related problems which can cause this kind of a slowdown, including DNS lookup errors, browser memory leaks, international line overload, a glitch in ISP network switches, wrongly updated caches of proxy servers etc. I don't think it would make sense to list all of them.
As I have said, I want to post a detailed article to the blog soon. Be patient.

Jim Dandy: Im not coming into that one HAHAH

Bernice: Maybe the answer is throwing more coal in the fire,these internts are just a bunch of tubes,right?

Bernice: I just want to make it clear to Fencer there is a problem somewhere and from EVERYTHING i can see the only place it happens is here

srnity: I wonder what the i.brainking thing i get as well is then ??

Fencer: Im sorry....I didnt realize that you can see what I am connected to ....I HAVE THE FASTEST CONNECTION...that is available to me (ADSL).....and other sites ARE fine....you arent sitting where I am sitting and TIME HAS COME TO ACCEPT IT....yes you are right....ACCEPT that your site isnt the best there is, and other sites are faster.......
Jim Dandy:looks like it :)

MadMonkey:you are wrong of course LOL...he wont admit to failings..........

mine are:
waiting for brainking.com, read brainking.com, and
transferring data from brainking.com.......in that order (with a snow-white page)

7.87 secs to post that and complete page load

Fencer: ok, as i said i am trying to be helpful

I sit here and watch all these messages (and more) appear lots of times in rapid succession while a page is loading:
waiting for brainking.com
reading data from brainking.com
waiting for i.brainking.com
connecting to i.brainking.com
connected to i.brainking.com
read brainking.com
transferring data from brainking.com (this stays and waits the longest)

and all this time the page is still loading, and Fasterfox counter is timing it.

How come with NO other site i have this problem, i never get to read those messages anywhere else as it happens so fast and the page, HOWEVER big it is loaded.

Again, i am trying to be helpful and giving you any information i think may help track the answer as i know i am not the only one, and like i said the site has been amazingly fast up until a few days ago

Fencer: Am I wrong in feeling that your state of the union will include lowered expectations regarding site speed?

Bernice: You are wrong in both parts of your statement because 1) you don't have the fastest connection speed (it is obvious), 2) other sites are not fine. Time has come to accept it.

MadMonkey: My continuous and thorough tests say the average page generation time is about 0.1 - 0.3 seconds, and this is the result based on measurements from the last 6 months. Whatever happens OUTSIDE BrainKing, i.e. on the way to the user's web browser, is not (and cannot be) our problem. Our power ends at the outgoing port of our firewall.

MadMonkey: I wish mine would load in 20secs:( Im on the fastest connection speed I can be on and it is still slow....other sites are fine.