O čem je toďten plk: Lines of Action World Championship 2014
The official world championship took place at the annual Mind Sports Olympiad (www.msoworld.com) on August 20th 2014.
There were 14 players representing (if memory serves): * England * Estonia * South Africa * Italy
Play was over 6 rounds with 25 min + 5 seconds-per-move. This was a great time control and resulted in a relaxing tournament with high quality games. Sadly, games were not recorded but the organisers hope to record the top or top two boards next year.
The results were: G Alain Dekker (South Africa) S Andres Kuusk (Estonia) B Martyn Hamer (England)
Alain and Andres both scored 5/6, Alain winning the tie-break having beaten Andres in their individual game. There was a 4-way tie-break for Bronze on 4/6, with Martyn wining the tie-break having the best result among common opponents.
There was a generous cash prize fund this year (G=£100, S=£50, B=£25, prizes split in the result of a tie on score). The organisers have committed to at least match the prize fund for next year, so hope to see many players for the event next year.
Krepta3000: I see from your profile that you played a game after you posted the question, so I guess you figured it out. Good that you asked, though! Sometimes newcomers start several games and then leave the site without making a single move. Maybe we need some kind of introductory text to explain the basics. Some basic hints like:
- You move by clicking the piece you want to move and the square you want to move it to (or in some games, just the square) - You finish your move by clicking "submit" - You can read the rules by following the "show rules" link in each game - You can see a list of all your games on your "Main page". There's a link to the main page at the top of the left side menu. - You should always check the time control before you accept a game and make sure it's acceptable to you.
Maybe I missed something? Anything else that would need to be on such a list?
I don't see anyone discussing anything here so far, how about I start by asking How the heck do you actually Play? I don't see any command system, no submit button, what do you do? Clicks and drags don't work either thus far.
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BIG BAD WOLF: You are probably correct about the win here on brainking, but I would bet it wouldnt take a mathematician long to prove that it is not possible to create a connected line with only one item! i think it should be a lose if you have less than one piece left!
Rule 9 deal with this situation, and here is what is said about it:
Soucie did not cover this situation. LOA players thought that this situation was impossible in a real game for a long time. But computer simulations proved that such a situation could occur in a real game. The alternative proposed and commonly used was that the player has to pass. Unfortunately Soucie has died in 1997. It is hard to find a satisfying rule.
Some points against the lose rule.
* The object of the game is to connect your pieces in one group. Not to eliminate the opponent's moves like in Amazons or draughts. LOA is a connection game, you win by connecting your pieces. * You don't know if the player would have lost the game. It deserves a chance to defend itself. * The player is punished enough by passing. In LOA passing is mostly disadvantageous.
Some points against the passing rule.
* If you look at rule 3 a player has to move, passing is out of the question. * The game is called Lines of Action. The name suggests active play, not passive play by passing. * The player would probably lose the game anyway in this situation. By the passing rule the game would continue unnecessarily longer. * It is possible that passing is an advantage. The player is not punished but rewarded.
Current Results
Recently, Jorge Gomez Arrausi posted the following alternative solution to this matter: "If a player cannot move, the game should be drawn. The objective is the connection." The problem with this rule is that introduce drawing, which is not the intention of LOA (see also the discussion about rule 8).
I've searched a couple of websites about the game, and I could only find 1 mention of this situation, and even then they did not say what the result would be.
I've asked on a yahoo discussion board about the game what should happen.
I would guess either (1) the player just passes the turn or (2) loses the game or (3) game is a draw.
Once we know what is suppose to happen, we can probable have Fencer program it so that it will happen. I will let you know when/if I get an answer.
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There is a variant of LOA (developed for an imperfect reason but still the result was playable and challenging) called 'Alternate' LOA, whereby black starts with a stone on b1, White on c1, Black on d1, White on e1, etc. all the way around the board. The object is the same, to aggregate all of your color, but the strategies are markedly different. Since no two stones of the same color are on adjacent spaces, it compels the player to take into account all of the stones.
Perhaps with enough support and requests, we can get it added here. It doesn't seems too difficult to program.
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I just found out that I had three good articles by Kerry Handscomb in old issues of "Abstract Games Magazine". Here are the basic strategy tips given :
- Material is definitely good. Having more men gives more moves, hence better flexibility for both attack and defence. Material gain is disregarded though when it would move a man away from the action, or when it captures a very remote piece of the opponent, sometimes allowing him a direct connecting combination. For instance, the captures which are possible at the start of the game, like c8xa6, are regarded as neutral (they rather hurt your position, which compensates for winning a man). - The best winning strategy is to aim for a compact group, that is a group where any piece removal still leaves the group connected, and then patiently connect the isolated men into this group, trying to use them for distant threats. - The exact center is not the best place to build such a compact group because it can be too easily attacked. Of course the side is not best either, as will be seen later. - However, moving a piece to the center (up to d3-e3) when it can't be taken is generally a good move (but is impossible in the start position). - Building a loosely connected group is dangerous because the opponent will attack its weak link(s). In the worst case, the opponent will manage to capture a weak link in the middle of the group and cut it in two equal pieces, leaving you needing an astronomic number of moves to bring them together again. - The two most obvious opening strategies are bad : trying to connect the two groups of the start position is very bad, because such a connection will be loose and you will be likely to be cut in two. Running with one of the start groups to the other (damn, I have tried to use that!) is remotely better, but will lose to the strategy explained in the next point. - The best you can achieve from the opening is to build a wall on a second rank, leaving the unmoved pieces from the opponent behind. This wall can be used as the target area for building a compact group, and the opponent will lose a lot of time extricating his pieces. If he tries to leave his pieces in place and connect the other to them, it will be easy for you to capture one of the middle pieces, leaving this group cut in two parts in a desperate position. (My addition) Indeed, it is so easy to achieve that you can wait until he is close to connect, it will hurt even more.
BIG BAD WOLF: Thank you - I am clinging to the hope that something will jump out at me soon - no,honestly - you have helped a great deal and I am beginning to see the light
ruby2shoes: Now that 5 pieces is only for the line that has 5 pieces. If you move a piece in a different direction, you have to count how many pieces are in the line that you are moving in.
So for the example of 5 pieces - as long as you do not jump OVER any of your opponenets pieces, and the 5th place away from the piece you are moving is your opponenets piece(or blank), you can land on it and capture it. You can jump over your own pieces. (With the note that you don't want to capture too many since that might make it easier to connect all his pieces with less to work with - but then again, sometimes it is good to take a piece to help "block" your opponenet, or help yourself)
And if that 5th piece is your own pieces, then no - you can not move there and capture your own piece.
. . . . . It's one of those games which can be hard to figure out at first, but sooner or later it will *poof* jump out and make sence on how it works - sometimes it takes a few games for some to catch on.