gogul: ... and to think that the political powers in the US right now want nothing more than to emulate Europe and its socialists structures, and all the news we hear tells us how happy everyone in social land are, and how the rest of the world hates us capitalists, and if we just joined you all in your happy socialism, the world will suddenly be a better place to live.

I dont buy this crap, but most people do

Czuch: I take notice only of this now. I don't buy this either. Capitalism is flee market ambiente. Is eastern capitalism kind of unpredictable? Ours is, because it is in a tradition of profeteering from the third world. Or why do you think the mainstream media is ridiculizing the info exchange of internet? Is it the growing internetaccess in Africa? What has to go down, goes down.

And Siemens products have no value. Cheap producer causing all sort of problems all along the way with its products. This we know as a matter of fact. We'd be better off to do the things our self instead of letting it Siemens do.

Czuch: Corporations like Deutsche Bank (sponsor of the Berlin philharmonica) and Siemens. Very fortune, above the law, without respect for ALL marcets, whose taxcontributions circulate in a loop within some elites. The Germans are told that there is no money around anymore, and to be a good German, you need to pay your taxes. Again money that finds the way in the loops of the elites. Germans work for their elites, all the money they pay in form of taxes and fees serves to entertain the elites. As tourist you see lovely fassades everywhere in the rich areas of Europe, the ones promoted by the tourist industry. These fassades have been restorated lately, all in new glitter. These nice fassades represent the fake to all who struggle without reasonable reasons. The elites fail horribly, and their promises were not even ment to be honest. I can count a lot of things of which I know that the industry got able to produce under much cheaper conditions as 10, even 5 years ago. Do we profitate of this? Not a bit. 90% of the wealth floats in he pockets of few, for their entertainment, because it's their caracter to manipulate, to abuse, to have power over people. Our history is full of it. The power of the cities in Europe, it's a story of the abuse of those who feed the cities. Welcome in the nice middleage cities!

Czuch: I could care less about musicians and hollywoodstars. What makes me explode are big corporations, they are everything else but entertaining.

Czuch: When will this end that there are Americans who think that it matters if people from elsewhere are jealous of America. Jealous are those who seach for being part of an elite, hence working in jobs to develop abuse. All the rest wants a decent life for them self and everybody else, no matter where they are. This is the real world. Nobody reasonable wants your wealth, but where I get robbed, I take it back sooner or later.

Czuch: I dont consider a countys people as a team. To be elitary means to be a abuser. I blame vertical within a society and not downward like all the people who admire the uglyness of the elites, but upwards, just as it has to be. Your elite wants you to fight weaker humans than you are. You better make a good choice and fight upwards and realize that in your county as well not everything is at best.

(V): Marco Polo or Ignatius di Loyola. At least your boss is a lady if it comes to religious culture

with everyone of YOU, you have musicians to hire, yours is only the text.

With one feet you are in the grave, with the other in heaven. Take care my friends, by concious

I have mobile computer issues. Sorrytwo posts bellow. I could redoit tonight, but this does it as well, my message came through. It's not intentionally like that.

I think it was the city Salem. Everyone got killed because nobody told them about problems you can get with corn.

Today we don't get told what we really need, it might as well kill you.

Übergeek 바둑이: Plastic is not enduring if it has to stay at the sunlight. A little problem I guess. Plastic is cool of course.

Your 'I like to recomand you an article of Wikipedia'. LOL

We need to forget that we have to renew everything to keep the ecoomy rolling. We have to keep our economy rolling by producing what we need, obviously food and water. Of both we have enough recources to poison all oceans with corn.

Would you like to invest your time in what yoÜbergeek 바둑이: Plastic is not enduring if it has to stay at the sunlight. A little problem I guess. Plastic is cool of course.

Your 'I like to recomand you an article of Wikipedia'. LOL

We need to forget that we have to renew everyting to keep the ecoomy rolling. We have to keep our economy rolling by producing what we need, obviously food and water. Of both we have enough recources to poison all oceans with corn.

Would you like to invest your time in what you are passionated to? Do it, in the new world you'll do it, be it flying a plane to your grandma, be it a blade, be it music.

Lies is what keeps our systems alive. The glass you give to recycle, you can do better about with a special knowledge. The weed you compost, an other will need it for alcohol. You'll pay as guest by being welcome.

An overwhelming fortune. Today represented as brandnames.u are passionated to? Do it, in the new world you'll do it, be it flying a plane to your grandma, be it a blade, be it music.

Lies is what keeps our systems alive. The glass you give to recycle, you can do better about with a special knowledge. The weed you compost, an other will need it for alcohol. You'll pay as guest by being welcome.

An overwhelming fortune. Today represented as brandnames.

Hello padugi :)

when ever I look at a countries culture, I search for an anchor older than the present representation. For Europe, to me it's not Charles one. I took him to illustrate something. How did he came to power anyway? Europeans were sick and sad, there were no more point of reference, nobody knew about the fake of this bogus called religious authority be it Rome or Bysanz. China is ridiculous with Mao. Xioapeng is ridicoulous with a formation in France. I don't give nothing for a formation in France. As chemist you might have maybe an insight of what steel is, if so, you'd be my man!

You have no idea how horrible I consinder the 'reflection' of my culture, which is the fake of the roman catholic church. Behind this there is richness and infinite knowledge. We ove. Here are indeed save, it's the senseless Europe sent out to colonalize for instance king thoughts were: What the bull are the colonialists bringing home again. Russians are save. I still do doupt in China. Point of reference? What is Han??

The company Siemens is drowned enough to sell Russian nuclear power plants in the west btw. The Russian argue toward Siemens managers that all other energy sources have substantial drawbacks. Like wind turbines: infrasonic, causing depressions. Solar panels: Do localy cool down the air. Well thanks for the information.

Siemens made a good deal in march, didn't day. The permanent grave drawbacks and the fatal doom in process of this industry, have Siemens managers ever heard about? No? But Angela Merkel has, something we can be sure about. It's her problem anyway.

These govts , those who indeed possess ove spaces of this earth, they are drowned in it. Take the Chinese as extreme: They have over a too long period of time not shown any will to find any kind of identification to climate change, human rights, labor conditions and ANY burning problem of our earth. All just alien things for them. They are DROWNED in incredible richness, and all you can buy with money. The Chinese do nothing else but fighting the KP. They fight on daily basis against a corrupt ugly monster exporting toys who get classified as dangerous. Exporting jevelry which kills the polisher. Exporting systematic fake and phony bogus products. Polluate the Chinese waters to oppress the Chinese. The bogus exporting nation exports bogus, this is what traders have to deal with when it comes to a Chinese to talk with, you are confronted with bogus to keep you alien.

People who were thinking for the Bush-administration respectively to fill their maps with meaningless papers were reacting on what happened here in 2007. A f/s made the proof and attentive members could nothing else than notice. So what will WE get. Justice or games, Barak Obama?

Aren't Gore and B. Clinton just the studliest of all stud muffins?

Tuesday: Or how about if Obama would shoot the joke Eric Prince from Blackwater. Just to show that he means what he is saying.

Übergeek 바둑이: I got what you were saying. With "so what?" I was asking what is the problem with the big warmongers and their helpers like Monsanto go down? Are you in one of those businesses who lost contact to the real world? Then let me tell you strait, I wouldnt care about you. Justice today is a farce, this is not only what informed people know. You know even more about if you work in the managments of war profeteers, banks, etc. Justice is to see those people weed on our fields.

The answer of what I expect from Obama to change, read below. And then again the question. Why should we care to see those big companies go down? Intelligent people is not the rich profeteering from those companies, not media, politicians, think thanks supporting them. Don't care don't mind. Of course it's a moral corrupt thing to work for Monsanta.

The alternative to the world today, it's a better one without the warmongers. Simple choice in my eyes. My gun is loaded and aims in direction of spin doctors. You can stop the nonsense about huge unemployment, this only happens if the warmongers are not cooperative.

(V): Yes. Our days in Europe war is at most riot like in Iran. It's not social jumpiness that made the Islamic Iran and it's revolution fall. It's the repression of the regime. So, I don't see black for the future. It's even funny to scare statesman and -woman. Radioaktivity or fundraising at Dagobert Ducks door is their problem.

(V): yawn. Point one and two. How? Point three. Why? The geezer well leting it be good.

Second paragraph. Perception. Whose? ...how good a day someone is having. What?

The biggest and most powerful corporation in the world would go bankrupt. Boeing, Lockeed-Martin, Ford, GM, Daimler, Microsoft, General Dynamics, General Electric, Siemens, Basf, Dow, and many others. All the big names in capitalism would be hit hard because everyone is got its fingers stuck in the war pie.

Übergeek 바둑이: So what?

The investment volume of the OECD-industrial countries in ratio of armament to own agriculture is 3:1 according the Food and Agriculture Organisation FAO. If food had the infrastructure of weapons there wouldn't be famine. In the industrial countries 4 of 100 persons produce enough corn for the respective populations. In the developing countries it's 80 of 100. In vue of this disproportion arises the question. Why not catapult these 80 persons though agriculture aids to the production level of OECD-states?

The at the beginning mentioned balance of power of 3:1 impedes this development and reflects political realities. From the industrial nations point of vue, independent developing countries with working agriculture jeopardize not only own agriculture exports, they don't need interest bearing standby credits and don't offer plattform for our helping industry. Further more, hungry persons are easier to manipulate, ensure cheap costs of globalisation, hence cheap imports, what again keeps domestic production costs low. 

The consequence of these economical think cramps are long since established and make the number of poor-working grow. This trend leads forseeable to social tensions with historical best known passing, the bullet producers again profitate.

The political redesign of this deconstruction vehicle to a constructive is asking for a change o circumstances. Our politelite is probably not able and willing to move to a concern building trigonal splits in between bulletproducers, industrial fodder producers and the third world farmers. The consument can make or brake it though. Return to regionality, seasonality and a little of sacrifice. Not only this minimizes the worldwide transport slapstick comedy, but reduces also global over-exploitation at human, animal and environment with involved wars.

Economists will call this consume sacrifice a century recession. But please: What do we have today? Only a consume change changes the circumstances in favor of all, because our over weight stresses the global balance, finds cynic manifestations in neocolonial doctrines of globaly acting profiteer, who in vue of permanently growing numbers of hungry people gets confirmed in their enemy stereotype pleas to grow the numbers of bullets to continue to eat corn in quiet and as long polit sponsored Wall Street gladiators continue to fund potential of destruction, nothing will change.

Our potential of aggression (ratio of 3:1) needs blood since ever. So it's questionable if it's a opulence of corn that makes the change. But at least you could strike yourself dead with bread.

Artful Dodger: The setting of direction does. I post a text originally german, by an autor who publishes only with his forename. I hope the translation is worth the reading.

(V): You should elaborate the difference between 'chimps' and Chimps or what is useless and what nonsense in your posts.

(V): Territory. Like in your video game civilisation

right lmao

If you say that such prejudice is slowly dying in Europe, I'm telling you that you don't know what you are talking about.

Übergeek 바둑이: Even with the best formation, soon as the economy toddles you get a 'kanada' if you tried something elsewhere, even if it means that it leaves a desert behind

The development of the European idea, you can start it with the repatriation under Charlemagne, 1200 years back from here. The problem of the past 50 years is the philosophical back up, not the philosophical back up by itself, but because the complicated structures of the European institution as a whole reflects the struggle of a permanent search of a (maybe) future unification of a European spirit, in its daily practice. The given structure and struggle make it to a moloch without chance to pay attention on the richness of mentalities allready in friendship since the tiredness of the wars, in which the history of the former Yugoslavia falls appart. What does it say? If I talk about the mentalities in friendship, I'm not talking about national identities. We might as well face wars again over Europe, which is wars against our so called nations. Philosophy our days, it's like the problem in between the chair and the computer. It has lost its nimbus on we look up to, same as we lost the the respect toward our nations, because we are sick of the machines the nations represent, because we don't believe anymore in people with cravats financed by the states who spend their lifes in libraries to back up their paycheck. Authority today are the regions who know how to handle them self, because we see today, in contrary to 10, 20 years back, the cheat nations represent. We see the theft of the strange high society, coupled with the obligation to ridiculously enough compensate the theft out of our own pockets. The richness of Europe is overwhelming. Give it back down, or the people will stand up against you soon enough. Be it by renouncing in your participation, or by fighting you.

(V): No. Seemed like a formality. Plus the lady with the broom was frightening. The party was overwhelming, the smugglers funny and the bubbles many. The whole thing ended at a beach somewhere in the fresh of the day, lady's broom was dangerous. I never found out why she hadn't fun that night.

(V): Well I could celebrate a political victory in NI. I got in a backroom after 11 pm. Or 10.30 I don't remember that.

Does he hang with his beak on the aviary?

(V): Why? (parrot)

(V): I was only once in NI, and quite often on that island. Friends used to think about politics there, I left it to the bubbles of the beer.

That's interesting. I haven't noticed that Northern Ireland belongs to the knights who say NI.

Übergeek 바둑이: Per capita Switzerland is nr. 2 if it comes to weapon exports (big weapons that is, who can't be carry by a single man, air defense and such). The US (first in total numbers) 9th. We don't want our own soldiers for foreign missions, but are almost top in exporting weapons... We make politics with a peaceful image, but supply India and Pakistan again and again with new generations of weapons that mainly serve to entertain military in trainingcamps. I haven't heard of a airfight in between India and Pacistan. Tensions and mobilisations (weakening Pakistan in the west) yes. But airfights?

To me it looks like the people's republic of china has a big problem. Their social harmony seems to be a farce. And they want to celebrate their 60 anniversary in about 8 week. At least there is some time left to solve their problems till then. Lets hope the Chinese are happy with this young country in 8 weeks

Very very sadly I don't have "la divina commedia" in english. It makes me very sad because it's very funny.

There is a huge gap in between charity and pastoral care, and the religious authority of the top hierarchy of churches who involve them self in politics I have to say. I miss the humor particularly

gogul: Awww look the smilie

Artful Dodger: LOL there is no such thing like a pope. I count at least two, or three. Through history they look like a hay fork

It is not my style to use chapter and verse numbers, this isn't ment to be missionary as well, it is unusual for me to convince somebody meet Jesus. After all Jesus of Nazareth is famous. I don't think I ever tried exept to say yes when I got asked. Still it is the contribution of many churches to violate the Kingdom of Heaven in lots of variations. Like throwing around them with chistologies; theologes who interpret the meaning of words like "is"; keeping their followers in a prison.

People who have power, they have a different memory which allowes them to play the people. It's the same for the "emperor" as it is for the "pope". It's the same for a CEO, it's the same for spiritual leaders of groups. I reject it as the result is unsatisfactory. Teach the illiterate to read? Nope, I want to manipulate. Teach medicine? Nope, I want to be rich with synthetic addictive drugs. Teach the people to shake hands over borders? Nope, I have bullets to offer. For centuries powerhunger violates the Kingdom of Heaven.

(V): So, what is with this hacker, will he be delivered to the US? The one who went into NASA and government computers and tells how easy that is.

Tuesday: There is noting like "time will tell". Time is an illusion, and nothing is hidden behind time if you can hear and see. This is if you are willing to receive it.

Übergeek 바둑이: We also need to stimulate companies and universities thaht do research into ways to reduce the amount of gases we emit. That means that the goverment has to take our hard-earned tax dollars and put them to work properly. That will always be a difficult thing, because politicians are influenced by special interests, and taxpayers might be skeptical of how the money is being spent.

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Be it the environment, be it health, I do not see the science as we know it today offering the anwers that would bring us forward. To get consensual on the climate problem like the science is describing it, we would have to move to a complete 'scientification' of the whole world population, science fiction of it's worst. Different cultures have different answers, and people tend to put faith over science, even more the situation gets dramatic. People see them self confirmed in doupting in scientifical explanations, because science fails to solve problems above technical aspects. Our mainstream medicine is tied to big companies who blind government lot lots of tax revenues. It's taking cash out of our pockets, this for a medicine that hasn't much to do with health. Lots of people don't seem to understand that health is something in between the visit to the doctor. They feel not good about something, go to a doc, get a chill pill, but don't get told to invisage a change of lifestile, reaching life quality. We wouldn't be in need of that much pharmaceutica if we would take the lessons from our cultures and religions serious. Then, we don't deny that coffein, nicotine, alcohol has an effect on us. It is the case for everything, all foods, nonfoods, things we don't know anymore that they are fine for us. We all seem to know this, but continue to let the synthetic monster science be decisive in what's good or wrong. Not every aspect of science is monstreus, but some definitly are. Health science is in large parts. Our science denies that an organism is more than a single body. It's wrong, even cruel. I don't call myself religious but I'm true in being thankful toward God. It is a logical consequence following the culture I grew up in. This culture, let me generalise it, west of Jerusalem, knows what buddhists seem to call rebirth (as in reincarnation). So why should I care about getting older at the point when it tells me, face death now. I can take it as a new chance, yay, new start. All this, the science denies it, is fighting it, mainly for the strange idea of some few to live in repulsive abundance. It's the same with the climate. Arts examles of Hollywoodstars who don't get it are typical for that. This toilet paper example. In America you seem to be dwelt to 5-ply fluffy papers, while most of the world is doing the toilet business with the more hygienic water and hand method. How do you want to reach scientifical consensus, when the differences of lifestile are so blatant? It isn't a new thing that cultures learn from each other, without fighting. What needs to get fighted is repulsive abundance.

Czuch: I'm in favor of regional care. If a region should be overwhelmed, it has to be properly analized what's wrong. Take the swine flue as example. Responsable for the swine flue is the WHO itself, the pharmaindustry in hope of business, the concentration of the animal husbandry to a few factories with 5000 swines and more, where this virus actally comes from. It's called causative principle, and the bill of the doc because of the swine flue, send it to Smithfield.

In 1965, 53 million US-swines were allocated in 1 million farms. This is a situation where every homeless, vagant, migrant labor could find roof and food. Today, 65 million swines are allocated in 65'000 factories, the half of them with more than 5000 animals.

Oversized flocks increase the possibility for new mutations of flues able to transfer from human to human. We know this since many years, it is neo conservative market logic who did sabotage this knowledge.

The US company Smithfield in Veracruz, Mexico, this is where the swineflue comes from, and it's by far no surprise. We have been warned that this would happen.

When I was younger I was confused. When I was 20 I was done with it. I had to read about communism, found the art side as well, beheld a plan. Interesting, my spirit wasn't satisfied though, with 18 I had to go elsewhere, I'm there since '99, I'm 33 now. I'm happy inside, my basic knowledge since 20 years.

Communism is a cheap and violent copy of a several 1000 years old wish, the wish lighted up a little while 100 years ago. What a nonsense the past 100 years, all for a bad illustration. Communism is a intrigue and the wish to insult God in its inner essence.

Communism is past. What disturbs is the twist of definition. Socialism. I'm not a academic mind, allowes me to find words. Social belongs to "Hey, what can I do for you", not the powerhungry plastering of command economy.

Socialists are somewhat confused. What could socialists do for all of us? Hunt little fishes like Madoff as chill pill for the people? Now that is opium for the people! How about touching the real thing. What has Oswald Grubel lost in Switzerland anyway. What has the east German intelligenzia lost everywhere but the former DDR countries? The Germans from the west pay a hard share and build you a valid infrastructure in your homelands. Go back to grandma, do something for your health, it's in everyones lifespan we do await the big big knive, since ever. I *can* await, no hurry *here*, relax *here*.

What do you people stick to you bad concience, I don't get it. Make steps, steps back that is as well. Be social, ask "What can I do for you.", what do you expect? Heal your self if you don't get it, our mind that is.

Artful Dodger: I think a goods point is to know that in the former sovietattached socialist countries the people were annoyed and if they could, made a game of it. You had the guts to walk around with a US-flag like t-shirt and things like that, overdid socialist vocabulary to sarcasm if I go right by Havel.

Hey socialists they look for a dialog partner!! :-)

China wants to gain sympathy in the Arab world now with tv. The Africans are tired of China, Europe too, Americans laugh about depts toward China and they managed to snub their straw the Australians. This is the Chinese KP in panic.

The foreign intrusion of the Chinese is really a problem. Nobody should mind depts toward the Chinese. The trash nation China could export nice black furniture with nice inlaid work or tea maybe, at least something that makes sence. But their trash isn't worth hard money. Also I made a quick calculation, considering the lifespan of Chinese products. The balance is in favor of the foreign of China. We count with waste collection fees.