artful dodger for president
ross perot for Vice president

Artful Dodger: There is an old saying that those who refuse to look back at events will carry on making the same mistakes.

And Sarah Palin is making about $100k per speech. Good money for a failed vice presidential candidate who left her job as a governor over (from what I hear) using her position for personal agenda's...

That there are complaints from GOP supporters who don't like the idea of shelling out over $500 to see her speak.

Maybe she has worn out her dresses from the campaign days... Or maybe she is just greedy

In a March 9, post titled, "Obama's war on fishing?!?!?!" Michelle Malkin posted the ESPN column's claim that "the Obama administration will accept no more public input for a federal strategy that could prohibit U.S. citizens from fishing the nation's oceans, coastal areas, Great Lakes, and even inland waters." Malkin added, "Longtime readers know I love to fish and have been at war with the anti-fishing nuts at PETA for years."

After fish, what's next? Will Obama ban kittens? And then hold Kitten death panels?

ESPN column
http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/saltwater/news/story?id=4975762

C&L

I'm taking this board off my favorite boards list. I don't need to read who rules or owns this board, who makes what grammar or spelling mistakes, or the like.

Tuesday: It's come across to me, that Republicans mock educated folks calling them "Harvard types" and other pointed names.I will say it does serve them well.Democrats on the other hand should learn from the success of short, simplified talking points,the Republicans have refined it to an art form.

Jim Dandy: Are there no fishing regulations in place to protect against over fishing and the collapse of a viable breeding stock? We had "Cod Wars" here in Europe with even warships getting involved in stopping fishing boats from fishing in their territory.

Over fishing/hunting serves no-one but a short term profit that leads to no business in the long run. You can't hunt/fish what is no longer there.

One noticeable change here in the UK is now, most fish &chip shops stock a wider variety of fish. Also much of convenience style fish products are now made of white fish.

Tuesday: Whatever happened to being there to support your political base. Having buckets so people can put in what they can afford. In these days of recession and pay cuts/freezes creaming supporters is just bad form and damn right money grabbing selfishness.

Pedro Martínez: I agree with you. I normally enjoy reading this board but lately it is getting way

  btw...either we have a moderator doing there job or someone is deleting their sarcastic post.

(V): It's a complicated issue with no easy answers.Canada's east coast fisherman have been devestated by restrictions the past decade, and their economy suffers greatly.These days our grocery stores sell farmed fish mostly,if the tag doesn't sat "wild" it is farmed, and the taste does not compare.I think the boat has sailed on this issue, it's too late to restore our waters.

Jim Dandy: Same here, the system is not perfect, but is better than losing a natural resource completely. Our salmon is now mostly farmed, wild is still available but costs more.

But.. while some fisherman are suffering, the industry now has a future. Changes I feel will be made to the rules and regs, yet also the buyers have got to be more responsible. Certain fish is being ignored and counted as a waste of money. Though I remember eating them as a kid. Too many supermarkets dictating what sells, independent fishmongers are vanishing.

In a recent news story the supermarkets are taking heavy flak.. why, because they are buying milk at prices that are less then the farmers can milk it for. It is the supermarkets and their policies that are killing the milk producers in the UK.

Artful Dodger: So, lets play a level field. Don't moan at the likes of Al Gore making money and I won't pick up on detail (that you missed to report) on Sarah Plain's big fees.

And FYI, it's not just liberals here who scorn Palin, but Labour and Conservative supporters alike.

And yes Al Gore brought to the forefront Global warming, something right wing Repub's don't like. Maybe another dust bowl we get the message through

You do remember that don't you.. over intensive farming causing entire farmland regions to be destroyed. A fine example of mankinds impact on the earth.

Artful Dodger: And what is happening to the pockets of the anti-global warming crowd. I see many books being written and speeches etc. Guess both sides of the extreme wings are making money. That is life... Bible bashers, celebs etc all do it. Best to make a buck now till the next 'in thing' comes to play.

And why do you just hark on about the extremists? Some of the middle roaders are just listening and using the sensible ideas. Recycle more, more insulation, grow your own. Allotments here have gone from being underused to now have waiting lists.

And new schemes such as microgeneration are more widely available. Such is.. that it might be that you'll find that the energy companies will owe you money at the end of the year.

Artful Dodger: Good. But you can understand (maybe) that you come across as an anti alarmist alarmist.

Unfortunately not everyone in business agrees with keep it clean. Just the trend is to move dirty manufacturing jobs to the developing world.

Artful Dodger:  I don't agree w/ such tactics either.  But, the GOP has done the same type of thing many times.

In my opinion, its getting very tiresome on "both sides" here.  Let's keep that stuff to the flaming boards shall we.

Artful Dodger: No, just the impact and effect are still.. debatable. Cooling.. I heard that in the film "the day after tomorrow".. where the destabilisation of a sea current from the dumping of fresh water from the polar ice. Accuracy.. unknown to me. Without reading much sites I won't say it's right or wrong. It's in a box waiting info.

As to scepticism.. I agree, read.. but don't trust either side.. BOTH sides are making money from it. Businesses who will lose money from having to be greener and are lobbying government should not be trusted either.

I must say that you cannot deny we have had effect on our environment. Acid rain.. Nuclear reactors melting down leaving areas of land no go and our sheep designated "kill, to radioactive for human consumption." Smog.. LA had/has a problem with that.

My point is.. rather then moan about what they all are saying, do some research. Not just from anti GW sites, but from all to understand why they are saying it.

Artful Dodger: Rubbish, the % effect is the debate. I mean.. CFC's. Do you doubt the problem they were having on the ozone layer, or the time limit on how long we had to change our ways?

Artful Dodger:  "Pointing the finger isn't productive."  Right!  So both parties should cease doing it.  Maybe new laws should be put in place to stop such things from being tacked on.

Artful Dodger: So is the anti-liberals.

"That's way you can ignore dealing with the question at hand. "

So are the anti-liberals.

Ferris Bueller: I wish!!

Artful Dodger:   Was not refering to that, Dan.  I was talking about personal feuds being carried over here.

Artful Dodger: Sorry, I question at my speed, not at the speed of XY & Z.

And at the last count in my analysis, it was the level of effect of man-made pollutants.

Regardless of being "current" or not any effect is going to remain the same unless actual physical changes are made.

Artful Dodger: Nahhh it's a common political trick used by all parties. Nick Griffin is great at it... he is in no way liberal

Artful Dodger: But have they distorted the info.

They did with the polar bears

Artful Dodger: ONE sub species of polar bear is on the increase.. that is the fact, the others are too hard to count or either still dropping or stable.

The effect of banning hunting is to be considered in any reporting. That is a fact.

Artful Dodger:  Certainly u & I have no personal feud.  But there is an undercurrent of that stuff going on.  IMHO it needs to be curbed some.

Artful Dodger: ROFL.....