this is a board that talks about issues concerning animals...your own pets as well as animal rights,alerts,bills before congress that need our attention.This is a family board but as abuse cases may be posted it may not always be for the sensitive readers.Please be kind to each other,thanks!
My jaw hung open in amazement the whole time I read it.I thought he was being ignorant on purpose,I have my doubts.I read one letter to the editor regarding the article on Tuesday,let's just say they shared my opinion.
Jim Dandy: Ummmmm, I've never had a cat for a pet (unless a pack of neighborhood strays that came to get fed, along with the birds and the squirrels, count) but I've had a few doggies in my lifetime, and throwing them in a pool seems kind of cruel Even my present doggie, who's not too fond of water, will go swimming in creeks, lakes, and the ocean with me.....but it's always been her choice.....what does that do for a cat's "well-being"? I think it's abusive
srnity: I have two girls that I treat like royalty.It was taken from a comedy done in the 70's,they probably weren't too fond of the water,but I'm sure they were fine
Jim Dandy: By "girls" I'm guessing here that you mean cats, not children? I think what people like anastasia do with their animals is amazing - to be able to train an animal humanely and lovingly to learn SO much (and I know that dogs love to be useful, and admired for it). But to randomly throw an unwilling animal into a scary situation to fend for themselves? A person wouldn't (shouldn't) do that to their child, why would anyone do that to an animal? I see it as abuse ...
srnity: I had to turn the you tube video off. I found it very disturbing. (had no sound on so no idea if the speaking part was cute) You could see the visible fear in the cats as they tried to swim back. Not cute in my books.
Rose: I didn't watch it either......the guy that did that to those cats should come back as a "mistreated" cat in his next life and see how it feels to be terrorized like that
srnity: Yes,they are cats,and we don't even bathe them,though they do love playing in the tub.For about the last 40 years or so strict regulations have been in place in regards to the treatment of animals in film.Horses for instance are no longer allowed to be tripped by wires in westerns.The clip I posted was done by the cast of Saturday Night Live, a film called Mr. Mike's Mondo Video. I can assure you that the cats tossed in the water were cats that have no major issues with water or swimming.Pretty much the entire cast of SNL were in the film.
Jim Dandy: Totally sucks that SNL didn't have a problem doing that to animals - cats are creatures that feel pain, angst, terror, etc. just like we do. I spent a couple years volunteering at a city SPCA, and most every animal - be it dog, cat, bird, ferret, snake, rat - were not there because they were dearly loved and well-treated. The only pets I've ever (and will ever have) had were from shelters because of what those poor things probably went thru at the hands of humankind. I just don't think a higher power put them on this earth for our amusement &/or entertainment
srnity: You're preaching to the choir,and I mean that with respect.Animals used in films are hired from companies that are very diligent in their treatment.They get the utmost care and inspectors are on the set at all times.I can understand how on first blush it may invoke a feeling of "poor little kitty",but have no doubts they were fine.
Jim Dandy: With all due respect.........you don't KNOW that.........it wasn't you, in the body of a small animal, that was thrown into a huge body of water.........it was (and always will be) abuse, just because the cat can't tell you it's scared, worried, frightened, or terrorized, doesn't make it so....try to do that with a dog, you'll only do it once, the second time, they'll bite you, guaranteed - my dog would, without a doubt, and you'd deserve to get bit
srnity: I respect your opinion.I may have had a differant experience than you.I had a dog who couldn't wait to get in the water,and I know of cats who love water too.With the tight regulations in filming and the inspectors on site I would think the company hired to provide the cats would choose cats that like water.If they didn't,their name would be toast in the movie industry.
Jim Dandy: One question - did those cats that they were tossing into a swimming pool have claws? Doubt it. Like I said, try doing that to a dog and see what happens - right is right, and wrong is wrong
Jim Dandy: I had a dog for over twenty years who LOVED water, he even went out past the breakers in the ocean with me (WAY too deep to stand) but NEVER, EVER, was he picked up and thrown into any body of water, I respected him more than that - you really don't seem to think that a small, defenseless cat has the right to feel safe in it's surroundings - sorry, but I don't "get" pet-owners like you.....
srnity: I had decide to finish reading the posts and then go back and watch the video BUT after reading the posts of those of you who DID watch..I feel no need to go back and click the link.Throwing any animal into a situation is cruel...If the cats had gone in on their own then that is different.
When Damien was going through his fear stage,for some reason a HUGH fear were manhole covers (I dunno either,lol) but I never FORCED him to go next to them.He got over it tho,thankfully,lol...point is that I didn't FORCE him to do something like I am guessing the cats were forced into the water.Thats just stupid.
I do train humanly...ONLY positive reinforcment for my animals..if they are having a bad day then off the field we go so I don't get upset..I need and WANT everything to stay fun for my animals....They absolutly LOVE to please me on the field and the way I feel about them,the bonding I have with them I cannot put into words...Thank you Srnity for your kind words :)
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anastasia: As much as the "average homebuddy" dog loves to please a human being, I can just imagine how much a dog that's being put through actual "training" must want to make you proud. I think it's a great life to give a dog, it gives them purpose and accomplishment. I had a neighbor once who was an undercover narcotics cop with a canine partner. No one (and I do mean no one) could go near his beautiful dog, but the way he trusted that man was an amazing thing to see. I used to tell my neighbor that nothing ever better happen to him, or that dog would be heartbroken, and I believe it would've been. Go You for having the patience, perseverance, and understanding to get Damien to trust you SO much that he would follow you blindly It took me three months just to get mine to come swim with me, this summer I've been trying to get her in a canoe, but I think she somehow knows that the water that far out there is way too deep for her liking
srnity: Saying that you don't "get" pet wners like me is dissapointing.I'm sorry you feel that way without knowing my involvement with both my two girls and stray animals at large.I personally did not throw the cats into the water,my only comment was that I was comfortable that it was done under the strictest supervision and only cats that had been trained by trainers used for film work were tossed.In hindsight it was probably not a wise idea to post the video,but if you would like me to give you both the website I have for the adoption of pets or info on the time and money I donate to the love of animals I will gladly do so.
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Jim Dandy: Sorry, but that statement in itself says it all....."Cats" (or ANY animal) should never, ever be "tossed", anywhere, at any time.....You could cause an animal to have heart failure doing that, nevermind damaging them psychologically.....there's a "trust" that an animal should be able to have in a human, I've been with my present shelter-dog for over three years and she STILL doesn't trust me.....probably because of what another human has already done to her in the past.....it just worries me that you (or anybody else that has a pet) would find that funny - I don't "get" it, I truly don't, I think it's abuse In my mind, if you wouldn't do whatever to a child, then you shouldn't do whatever to an animal, pets are like small children that never grow up & except for some teeth and some claws, they are defenseless against whatever a human wants to do to them...I wonder if any of those cats used for "entertainment" in that video were forever damaged because of "tossing" them - I don't see a "pet" as my child, I see a "pet" as a beautiful animal entrusted to my care & if I don't have it in me to do right by them, then maybe I shouldn't call them "mine". But, just like my kids, money has nothing to do with it, it's all about them knowing that they can always trust me to do right by them
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srnity: I have no interest in an argument,I made my point.I can do so without putting into question your or anyone elses commitment or love of their animals, good night
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Jim Dandy: Your obviously feeling insulted. The SPCA that I volunteered at put down over 40,000 animals a year at the time that I was there, so I saw a whole lot of abused/neglected/and just not properly cared-for animals, I guess that makes me a bit jaded, but I don't think it necessarily makes me wrong. I apologize, your entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine.