sure i'd like to be in it

Since the Fellowships DB is locked down, this is about the only other place that would seem to be appropriate:

Announcing the Checkers Tournament Room. A fellowship devoted to one purpose: Tournaments for Checkers and it's variants.

Everyone is welcomed to join. Message me for an invite.

i just started a parachute tournament if any one is interested in playing thanks Ron

GothicInventor The environment is changing 15. November 2003, 10:33:17
In case you have not noticed. Everyone has been given a clear slate at ths point in time. Dano was warned about his posts, which were unwarranted, and now he is gone.

He keeps making mention of manipulated posts. I am not sure what he means by that. I occasionally make typo corrections or punctuation changes at the tournament board, if this is manipulation, so be it.

Yes, I posted that I would help everyone playing Dano in Gothic Chess to win. I was letting off steam, but I really meant it when I said it. Logistically, does anyone really believe this was possible? In fact, nobody took me up on my offer, as those who were members of the fellowship recall. They all wanted to try and give him a drubbing by their own hands, win, lose, or draw.

I posted it mostly because I knew it would agitate dano when it leaked, so the spies helped me immensely, and I thank you for it.

It was an impossible task to do (play every move for every opponent against dano) but knowing the way his paranoia is manifest, I knew it would send him over the deep end.

So what had I actually done?

I made a post, then took no action on it. How many times a day do we each do similar things? You see a beautiful woman walking down the street, do you think "I wonder if she likes doing Crossword Puzzles?" If you see an armored car making a cash pickup at a store, do you think "I wonder what kind of gas mileage it gets?"

No, we have fleeting thoughts about getting her in the sack, and tossing bags of money into the back seat and peeling off down the road. (Or maybe peeling off down the road with the girl in the back seat, and sleeping with the bags of money, whatever you prefer!)

The point being my previous fellowship was created for those to let off steam about dano, much as this one is most likely geared at letting steam off about me.

But does anyone really think I crashed the server just so dano, who won his section in the $3000 Gothic tournament, would not be able to continue on? Did he really think I was making all of those moves against him and he kept beating me game after game?

Folks, you have to face the fact that he was at least a little off his rocker. If nothing else, this must be conceeded.

The server crashed. That's all that happened.

A new policy is in place. It is one we can all live with. When I make a post about how the 4 kings in the deck of cards are not really modeled after those in antiquity that have permeated the culture, then someone calls me a prick for doing so, a line has been crossed. It was uncalled for.

Even now, I could of had this person banned, but I elected not to do so.

No more warnings will ever be issued, as the policy is any direct insult, in a private or public forum, will result in an immediate banning.

If it cannot be discussed without name calling, do us all a favor, and save yourself some keystrokes.

If you have read the hidden message I placed in this post, you know which 4 people will be banned next because they will most likely make snide remarks about this post. This is what I am hoping for. This is the bait

Miller said his hobby was trying to figure out how to cross them up but he did say it was getting harder and harder and he thought he wasn't going to be able to do it much longer.

Mlller wrote to me and said he had a method of packing the programs moves into the left corner and actually playing man down. He said they couldnt deal with that and that's how he gets some wins. He aso runs a smother which most programs don't recognize.

I notice on Banks Ladder it is program against program and the operators skill comes into play there. But the number one guy seems to have figured out how to jam and cramp most of them. Way over my head.

I'm not in their living rooms but they lose games and that is the tip off. Free ones? You have my attention. But I don't think the teaching programs are webtv compatible. Even the top KM players make mistakes no program would make so I am taking their word for it. Some have up to 40 years experience which accounts for their expertise.

The KM doesn't have programs that I know of but we have very skilled players who enjoy working on this kind of thing. It has been hard to get up the energy to set up a checker board with all the stuff that has been going on but when the smoke clears I am hopeful it will be back to checkers for us all. That's why so many of us came here. (not putting down chess buffs) LOL

Good luck. Thanks for the insights. Checkers is just a hobby for the KM too...believe it or not.

Yes it would. Sorry to hear about WCC.

To what purpose? The game looked like a draw but after analyzing we saw you were right. It proves positions can be set up but is not a test of skill level. And we didn't know the answer in advance.

gonna post a WCC link before you go?

I thought we were analyzing 4th position. Ustica has games on Goldtoken (where he is undefeated in over 100 games) and he may be playing there.

21-25 sorry but i got to move chess games in different site

damn wish i could test that. Gothic will you post link to your WCC? i've been meaning to look at that anyway. i've scanned info on Nemesis and Wyllie but haven't seen yours yet. thanks

looking like a win sure enough. don't see any tricks (lol) as it moves into familiar positions. might be some variations that are also wins? but this one the toughest you say?

the CCI lost in this one'' :(

24-20

Trying it both ways..playing it out with different strokes. So far you are right. I think Usurper is also looking at it too.

black move 27-24 and win..

Think this is right. Going to try something from the white side. Hold a second

then you r right! black win :)

oh ! i see now.

He is Ustica KM. Now the board doesn't look the same. I must have set it up wrong.

you me is not checker white in the 20??

Jack has volunteered

if you move 27-32 my move is 20-16

We are more than willing to learn.

sure..

I say it is a draw which means nothng but when Usurper and Ustica say it's a draw it means a LOT!!!

20-16 its the draw move..:)

if you whant i give you the solution to draw..

well this is YOUR solution!! tell me only a stupid players play 31-26 why white is got to move 31-26?? its a lose move..

gothic you r position is draw is no way can black can win,,

I have it set up on a checkerboard without benefit of program and am trying to work my way through it with my naked eyes. This is tough but I'm seeing it. I think. Good problem, thanks.

My wetv gets the link as a larger than screen board that you have to scroll to see position. Was it black to move? I will start at the beginning and see what I'm doing wrong.

4th Position a pain in the ass compared to the others. Will check this out.

Thanks Ed. This will keep me and other checker lovers busy for awhile.

Congrats. Some 11 yr olds are tough. Do you remember Bobby Fisher beating Big Blue (IBM) in chess a few decades back? This is the same thing. Man over machine. Quite an accomplishment.

Re' your message about someone beating a Chinook computer program, I'm not into computer programs of any type for any reason, but I just forced a draw with an 11 year old middle school student from Crankhandle, Montana. Is that good enough for some comment ?

Yes!! Give the game number to Fencer and he will declare a draw. You must offer your opponent a draw first. It is not automatic however.

Does anybody know if there is a draw by repetition in checkers? I have a position that has now been repeated six times.

As there does not appear to be much interest in a Ladder here I did not make that phone call to Mac Banks. If, in the future, people want to revive the idea we can always try again. Thanks.

CaoZ of the Killing machine has just posted two amazing wins over the Chinook Computor Program. This is NOT easy. Try it yourself. LOL. Congrats CaoZ. If anyone else does this feel free to post it here and, if possible, a list of the moves you made.